GYMN-L Digest - 27 Jan 1996 to 28 Jan 1996

There are 21 messages totalling 449 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Senior Winter Cup
  2. Vitaly Sherbo & Wife
  3. Bonus
  4. Bela and Marta
  5. Bela and Bogi (2)
  6. Marta and Bela
  7. Floor ex mats
  8. to those in need of Olympic accomodations (2)
  9. Olympic Coach (2)
 11. Additional Winter Cup information
 12. Michelle Campi on tv
 13. Jennie Thompson
 14. 1-1/2 twisting Yurchenko
 17. IRC


Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 09:19:25 -0500
From:    ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: Senior Winter Cup

     Allison Arnold asked about the times for the SR Winter Cup.  I thought
I'd just post them for all.

Friday, February 2, 1996
7:00 pm - SR Winter Cup Challenge session 1

Saturday, February 3, 1996
9:00 am SR Winter Cup Challenge session 2
2:00 pm SR Winter Cup Challenge session 3

This is all the info. I have.  Sorry I don't have more.

Gymnstically yours,


Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 09:36:22 -0500
Subject: Vitaly Sherbo & Wife

Hey all:

I saw Vitaly Sherbo and wife last night at the Temple/Penn State meet.  His
wife is doing well, still feeling weak from the accident, but is doing well.
He is still training and thanks people for their cards and support during
this time.



Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:14:23 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Bonu

To Shelley and Adriana,

I think we are discussing 2 different principles regarding bonus on Balance

One is Principle #12.5.2 which involves connections of two or more of the
following elements:  free aerial walkover or cartwheel, forward or sideward
acrobatic element with hand support, and forward or sideward salto.  Note:  A
round off is considered to be a sideward element.  This principle ONLY
involves forward or sideward elements.  Some examples would be;  Cartwheel
(A) +Aerial Cartwheel(C) for .1 in bonus, Front walkover(A) + Front salto
with 1 foot take-off(C) for .1 bonus, front aerial (C) + Front handspring(B)
for .1 bonus.  A Round-off(B)  + a Front Salto with two foot take off(D)
would be eligible for .2 bonus for Level 10s.  Note Level 9's cannot receive
bonus for D skills.  A  D skill, however, can count as a C skill for bonus
connection purposes.(Level 9)

Principle #12.5.3 involves connections of two flight acrobatic elements with
directional change in one element (turn can be in either element) or with
counter element execution. A directional change is defined as long axis turn
of 180, 540, 900 degrees and continuation along the same line.  Note that a
round-off is NOT considered to have directional change in the above catagory.
Some examples of the following principle would be;  Front salto with one foot
take off(C) + Salto Back Tuck (B) for .1 in bonus, Back handspring (b) + Back
handspring with 1/2 turn (C) for .1 in bonus.

I realize these rules seem very confusing.  For more information with
excellent examples consult the," USAG Technical Handbook for Coaches and
Judges  1993 - 1997, pages 70 through 72."



Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:56:32 -0600
From:    ***@UALR.EDU
Subject: Bela and Marta

        Just as everyone has said, Marta doesn't have to go if Bela goes.  She
is also a good coach, but I think Kelli Hill or Mary Lee Tracy really deserve
the assistants position.  For example, I believe in 1988, Donna Strauss was
Bela's assistant at Seoul.  However, Marta was there as well.  I remember seeing
her on the floor.  Anyway, I think the best choices would be Bela and Kelli Hill



Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:45:48 -0500
From:    ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: Re: Bela and Bogi

> I was just wondering about the problems that might arise by Bella
> coaching Bogi.  I don't think I'd wonder if it was a coach who tends to
> be a little less ... "conterversial" or someone not pretty much a sure
> thing for a coaching position (possibly head) on the Olympic team.  Isn't
> there some sort of conflict of interest to be coaching girls who will be
> competing for different countries when your going to be coaching for one
> of the countries.  To top it off one of his stars, Kim, was at one time
> one of the rivals of Bogi and now he's coaching them both.

I don't think that it's a conflict of interests.  Bela wants both
Boginskaya and Zmeskal to do well.  It's no different than if a coach
had two different athletes vying for a spot on the Olympic team.
Gymnasts training together always compete against each other.
Besides, while Bela MIGHT be the head coach for the Olympic team,
Belarus is not a major rival of the US.  In the AA and event finals, I'm
sure that Bela would be Boginskaya's coach on the floor.


Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:50:56 -0500
From:    ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: Re: Marta and Bela

> I simply thought that if a female coach had to be on the floor that the
> choice of Bela meant Marta would be the female coach. Wasn't she the
> "other half" in '91?
> JeffYes, she was, but it's not automatic.  As a matter of fact, I think
Kelli Hill and Mary Lee Tracy both have a better chance than Marta
Karolyi.  Marta has been out of the world scene for a while, but Hill
and Tracy have been coming on strong.  Dominique Dawes has become one of
the most respected gymnasts in the world since 1993, and Tracy could
have two athletes on the team with Phelps and Borden.


Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:47:23 -0500
From:    ***@ARGONET.CO.UK
Subject: Re: Floor ex mats

Further to Lee Anne Mitchell's question on the colour of the floor ex. mats. ,
I can only add to the confusion by saying that our competition floor ex mat is
pastel green with an orange/ brown border. ( standard GYMNOVA colours ). I'm
not sure if there is a standard FIG colour, however if someone has a copy of
the latest code of points there is a section on the apparatus specifications.
It would be interesting to find out.



Date:    Thu, 18 Jan 1996 23:37:58 -0500
From:    ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: to those in need of Olympic accomodations

To Christopher Scott and anyone else interested:

Check out www.ces/uga/ces/repromo.html

That web page talks mainly about Rock Eagle 4-H Center (where I was a
camp counselor last summer), but the bottom has information about Camp
Truitt-Fulton, located in Atlanta.  It is available for $12 per person
per night, during the Olympics, and if enough interest is shown, a
shuttle van will be provided between Camp Fulton and the nearest MARTA
station (the Olympic transportation station).
I am very familiar with Camp Fulton (I was the 1995 Georgia State 4-H
Winner in Citizenship-- sorry, I'm so proud, I have to brag), and,
although it is certainly not luxurious (it is a summer camp, after all),
it is fine for people who just want a place to crash.  There are several
very large cabins with about 20 sets of bunkbeds in each.
I hope this helps!
P.S.--If you don't want to look on-line, e-mail: ***


Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 16:51:43 EST
From:    ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject: Olympic Coach

   I would agree that Bela would be a good motivator and has the
experience to lead our team at the Olympics this year (and would do a
good job) -  However, I don't feel that he has EARNED the right to
hold that position this quadrennium.

- He was retired for about the first 3 years of the quadrennium and
started coaching seriously again only 2 weeks prior to the National
Championships and took credit for the success of Dominique Moceanu.
- He has not coached Kerri Strug for years - so he can't really take
credit for her current success.
- Rumor has it that Kim Zmeskal has given up her bid for '96 and has
only been training 2 events for a while now to prepare for the
professional meets and exhibitions.
So he will probably have 2 athletes on the team that he has coached
for a short time.

   Coaches like Mary Lee, Steve Nunno, the  Foresters and Kelli Hill
have worked very hard and proven themselves worthy of the position
and also have the possibility of having 2 athletes on the team  -  so
it just seems very unfair for someone to come in after 3 years
retirement and get the position of Olympic coach.

  I would probably vote for Mary Lee or Kelli for head coach and
Steve for assistant coach (or vise versa).
(but if Bela gets the position - which he probably will - I would
feel confident that he would do a good job)




Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:34:51 -0600
Subject: Re: Bela and Bogi

You know, this brings up another point, what about the problems with team
unity with Bogi and the Belarus if she has a coach from another country? Would
they be able to work together as a team in the that portion of
the competition? Would they accept her? I heard, via the list, that there was
some problems in Sabae between her and the team and she was put up last
on each event at the request of Nelli Kim.

I can't see how her training in the US and then her having to compete
for Belarus can't make conflicts or bad blood between her and the other
Belarus. I particularly point thi out since I think that Piskun is better
that Bogi on most events (save FX due to Bogi's dancing abilities).



Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:37:51 -0600
Subject: Re: Olympic Coach

I think the deciding factor will be who wins trials. If Bela's gymnast wins
it, then I think he'll go, regardless of his past performances since '92.
If someone outside of Bela's camp wins, then I say that they might
be the favorite.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see....

...what is this rumor that Kim has only been training two events now?



Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:39:03 -0600

Anyone know how Phoebe Mills is doing in diving? Is she still doing it in
college and could she make her second games?



Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 16:45:55 -0600

I think Phoebe Mills quit the sport a few months ago.


Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 16:17:00 MST
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Additional Winter Cup information

In addition to what David Ruiz posted:

1996 Winter Cup
Colorado Springs, CO, at the US Olympic Training Center
re-ranking meet for the USA National men

Feb 2:   Team 96 Compulsories:  warmup  4:30-6:15
                                compete 6:30-8:30
Feb 3:   Team 2000 Optionals:   warmup  9:00-10:45
                                compete 11:00-1:00
         Team 96 Optionals &
                 Specialists:   warmup  2:30-4:15
                                compete 4:30-6:30

For tickets, call (719) 578-4830.
Prices are $10/session for adults; $5/session for children 12 and under, or
senior citizens.  Seating is limited.

I will be attending the Winter Cup and will be the Gymn reporter for that
meet.  I will have a WWW page up for the meet; URL is currently unknown, but
it will certainly be a featured "Current News" link on the Gymn homepage.



Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 16:02:49 -0800
From:    ***@TELEPORT.COM
Subject: Michelle Campi on tv

From time to time, some people have asked about how Michelle Campi is
doing.  Apologies if this is old news, or if it would be better in the
college digest.

I was channel surfing this morning, and came across the U. Washington vs.
Oregon State women's meet on Prime Sports Northwest.  I wasn't paying
close attention until the announcer said, "and next up on beam, Michelle
Campi."  They went on to say that she has recovered surprisingly well
from a broken back in 1994.  She received medical clearance to compete,
but it was late enough in the year that most universities had used up all
of their available scholarships.  Fortunately, the University of
Washington in Seattle had one left to offer her, so there she is.

She competed only on beam, and placed second with a 9.8.  I didn't think
to note all of her elements, but I remember a Popa, an oak tree?, and a
twisting gainer dismount, I think.  She looked happy amongst her

The other neat thing was a one-armed handstand on beam by Danae Phillips
of Oregon State.  PSN announced coverage of two meets in March; a UW meet
on 3/2, and an OSU meet on 3/17.  OSU beat UW with their depth, by the
way, despite UW athletes winning all four events.



Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 20:37:36 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Jennie Thompson

Hi!  My son has been looking at event results, and has a question.  Jennie
Thompson did really well at the 1994 Nationals, but then she wasn't at
worlds, or the 1995 Nationals.  What happened to her?



Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 21:06:00 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: 1-1/2 twisting Yurchenko

Hi!  My name is Patrick (I'm using my mom's account), I'm 10 years old, and I
wanted to ask a question.  I was wondering if they are going to de-value the
1-1/2 Yurchenko after the Olympics.  I don't get why a double is worth as
much as a 1-1/2.  I think a 1-1/2 should be worth a 9.900 after the Olympics.
 If you know whether or not they are going to make the change, please tell



Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 22:12:21 -0500
From:    ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: Re: to those in need of Olympic accomodations

I sent that e-mail 2 weeks ago.  I have no idea why it is just being
distributed now.  Sorry.  I did send it again a while back after I never
received it.


Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 23:05:15 -0600

Since this is an Olympic Year, does anyone have any clue as to what major
changes will be made in the code? Since we loose compulsories at the elite
level, are they going to make some major changes in the events?

Personally, I wish that the FIG would allow spectators to SHOOT ON SITE any
gymnast who STANDS on the low bar and then jumps with regrap
to the high bar. That move seems so cheap.


P.S. Does anyone know the site of the 1997 Worlds? I know this came up


Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 1996 23:37:14 -0600

I just thought that I would point out that Left over tickets to the
Podium training sessions for gymnastics will be availble via telephone
starting at 9AM EST February 10th. the number is (404) 744-1996. So,
if you didin't get gymnastics tickets but will be at the games, you might
get to at least see podium training session if you wanted to. More details
are available at the WWW site:  (which is supported
by the Atlanta Journal Constitution. This site is kind of funny, since there
is also a page called "HOW TO WATCH GYMNASTICS (which is located at To quote " The average gymnastics event
is designed for the average hydra, for it takes more than one head to
simultaneously track a handful of events, 36 athletes, and their scores."
and under "Figuring out Judging" it says "Good luck" Hows THAT for honesty!


P.S. It lists podium tickets as $11 - $22 dollars, a far cry from the $27 -
$265 price for the judged event.


Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 01:24:08 -0500
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: IRC

        Just a reminder that we are having another official gymnastics
chat on IRC sunday at 2:00 EST.  This should become our second official
chat time.


End of GYMN-L Digest - 27 Jan 1996 to 28 Jan 1996