GYMN-L Digest - 27 Apr 1996 to 28 Apr 1996 - Special issue

There are 17 messages totalling 672 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Hotel's North of Boston
  2. No Marinescu?! (2)
  3. Scherbo's interview
  4. Worlds
  5. Jaycie Phelps on NBC Tonight
  6. Liu's Start Value
  7. Jenny Hansen, WAG-NCAA
  8. Employment Opportunity
  9. FYI: Gymnastics Photos
 10. Hristakieva (2)
 11. Mareniscu's beam
 12. ABC Coverage stinks!!!
 13. NCAA Women's Event Finals
 14. Dom Moceanu-Mag Cover
 15. MEN: Event Finals at NCAA Championships


Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 17:40:06 -0500
From:    ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject: Hotel's North of Boston

Sorry for the delay to those of you who wrote to me.  The following
is a list of hotel's on Route 1/I-95 north of Boston (30-40 Minutes).
 This highway goes into Boston, with an exit that is a couple blocks
from the FleetCenter.
I haven't had time to get prices (Little League started for my son,
plus driving to the gym for my daughter who has States (L5) next
weekend), so please accept my apolgy.

Courtyard by Marriott-Danvers  1-508-777-8630

Days Inn North Shore-Danvers  1-508-777-1030

Econo Lodge Inn-Danvers  1-508-777-1700

Hawthorne Motor/Super 8 Motel-Danvers  1-508-774-6500

Kings Grant Inn-Danvers  1-508-774-6800

Motel 6-Danvers 1-508-774-8045

Residence Inn by Marriott-Danvers  1-508-777-7171

**Tara's Ferncroft-Danvers  1-508-777-2500

**This is an extremely nice hotel (costs a little more than the
others), my daughters gym uses this for clubs coming in to compete at
our annual Invitational meet in December.

Good Luck to everyone. Hope to see you all in June.

A tired sports (taxi) mom,


Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 18:10:23 -0400
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: No Marinescu?!

        I am just a tad annoyed that beam silver medallist Alexandra
Marinescu was not shown in either ABCs or CBCs broadcast.  She was the
only women's medallist not to be shown on ABC.  In total in their
broadcasts, they showed 5 non womens' medallists, so why they didn't show
Marinescu really puzzles me.  I really wanted to see her ff-full again.
Oh well.  Maybe she'll exact revenge by winning AA in Atlanta?


Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 18:26:16 -0400
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Scherbo's interview

        For those who do not get CBC, I thought you might be interested
to hear what Scherbo had to say during a profile during CBC's world
broadcast.  He seems very bitter at his home country in Belarus, which he
says hasn't given him anything.  He says he only wears the Belarus
colours on his shorts because it is required to represent a country; he
can't compete just for himself.  He said that had his wife's car accident
occured in Belarus, she would be dead now.  He is very greatful for the
United States and he said basically that the US is his favourite thing in
life (or something to that effect).  I had no idea the degree of his
bitterness.  Honestly I'm surprised that Belarus would let him continue
to compete for them given his attitude.  Does Svetlana Boginskaya have
similar sentiments?  I had read originally that her comeback was at the
urging of the Belarussian federation.


Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 18:34:57 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Worlds

>7) I don't know if anyone on the list can answer this question, but I was
>wodnering if anyone knows if Kotchekova is trained by Schevchencko (a.k.a.
>the Pink Panther of the late 80's) still? I heard about this two years ago
>but I haven't heard much since then.

I'm pretty sure that  Kotchetkova's head coach is Leonid Arkayev (sp?). I
heard this about a year ago.

A couple of comments about worlds:

1) I can't believe that ABC showed Gina Gogean's routine where she fell, but
did not show the silver medalist's routine, Alexandra Marinescu!

2) Although I was impressed by Kui Yuanyuan's routine during the floor
competition at worlds, I didn't like the fact that she had five tumbling
passes.  Of course it was amazing, but IMHO, too much tumbling takes
something away from the routine.  I think four passes are more than enough
because it still allows a nice balance of acrobatics and choreography.  What
do you all think?



Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 15:57:14 -0800
From:    ***@EFN.ORG
Subject: Jaycie Phelps on NBC Tonight

Dear Gymners,

I saw in my paper today that at 1:30 in the morning tonight (Saturday) there
will be another installment of "The Road to U.S. Olympic Gold."  Among the
other two athletes featured is Jaycie Phelps.

Unfortunately, it's only 30 minutes long.  If I can't stay up for it, I'll
record it and tell everyone about it if it's interesting.

I'd like to echo several comments that GYMN has been much more enjoyable
lately, with positive comments and real information being shared.  Let's
keep it up!



Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 18:48:42 -0400
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Liu's Start Value

        To the judges out there:  I know that Liu's start value was only
9.9 in compIII finals in PUR (it had been 10 in qualifying under compII),
but I have an interesting thought here.  Had even one of her giant-fulls
been givent the D value (which is the value when the pirouette occurs
within 10 degrees on handstand) she would have started from 10, even with
the low value for the one arm giant.  Now I have seen her routine before,
and from the angle I've seen it at, her giant fulls are always right on
top of the bar.  It was hard to tell from the angle of the broadcast, but
does anyone think it is possilbe that the judges purposely didn't give
her the D value for the giant full to keep her start value down to
further the message they are trying to send about the one-arm giant?  Do
the judges out there think that her giant full was worthy of the D-value?


Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 19:25:05 -0400
Subject: Jenny Hansen, WAG-NCAA

Dear all,

For all of those of you who have been following the career of Jenny Hansen
at the University of Kentucky, there are interesting articles in the
Lexington (Kentucky) Herald-Leader newspaper yesterday and today.  Since all
articles are now copyrighted, I won't reproduce them in their entirety.
However, if you have Net access, you can find them at the following URLs:

The last article listed above is on Robin Ewing, one of Jenny's teammates at UK.

As an alumnus of the University of Kentucky, as well as a BIG gymnastics
fan, I want to express my appreciation for the wonderful manner in which
Coach Little and her team represent the University and the entire
Commonwealth.  Thanks Ladies!!!!!!



Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 16:31:01 -0700
From:    ***@PRIS.BC.CA
Subject: Employment Opportunity

The North Peace Gymnastics Club is accepting applications for the positions
of Program Administrator/Head Coach and Competative Coach

Responsibilities for Program Administrator/Head Coach will include:

        organization and operation of all recreational Gymnastics programs
including             scheduling & registration

        administer a progress and reporting system for all levels of gymnasts

        coordinate programs ie. Birthday Parties, Daycare, Teen/Adult Drop in

        interview, hire and schedule recreational coaches and maintain
employee files

        coaching developement-CIT Program, Clinics

        active coaching & supervision of Junior Staff

        work in conjunction with the Board of Directors

Responsibilities for Competative Coach will include:

        Administer pre-testing, testing & selection system for Competative

        Prepare gymnasts for competition both mentally and physically

        accompany gymnasts to out of town competitions

        active recreational coaching

        work in close cooperation with both the program administrator, and
the board of         directors

        evaluate gymnasts progress

***if better suited to the individuals applying for the above postions, the
head coach may be the competative coach.***

        Must have minimum Level II NCCP coaching and prefer 3-5 years past
experience.  This is a great opportunity for a highly motivated take charge
individual.  Excellent communication and organizational skills an asset.
Wage is negotiable depending on position and experience.  Please send Resume
& refereces to:

        North Peace Gymnastics Association
        BOX 6933
        FORT ST JOHN, B.C.
        V1J 4J3
        1-604-787-LEAP (5327)

About our club: We currently enroll approximately 190 female and male
gymnasts ranging from 1 1/2 - 16 years of age.  Gymnasts attend classes 1-4
days/week.  Our 6,000 square foot newly renovated fully equiped facility
allows us to run classes year round.

Our female competative team competed around B.C. this year including trips
to Vancouver, Prince George, and later in May to Kamloops.

10. It doesn't take minutes to build the picture when you change
TV channels.
9. When was the last time you tuned in to "Melrose Place" and got
a "Not Found 404" message?
8. There are fewer grating color schemes on TV. Even on MTV.
7. The family never argues over which Web site to visit this
6. A remote control has fewer buttons than a keyboard.
5. Even the worst TV shows never excuse themselves with an "Under
Construction" sign.
4. Seinfeld never slows down when a lot of people tune in.
3. You just can't find those cool Health Rider infomercials on the
2. Set-top boxes don't beep and whine when you hook up to HBO.
1. You can't surf the Web from a couch with a beer in one hand and
Doritos in the other.


Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 19:44:06 -0400
From:    ***@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU
Subject: Re: No Marinescu?!

I was equally amazed... more so that they showed Gina Gogean's routine
which landed her in 8th place but skipped Marinescu.

Even more annoying to me personally was the negative, onrunning
commentary by Kathy Johnson Clark regarding the romanian floor routines.
Now I will not deny there are routines being competed out there that are
true works of art (Khrkina) in terms of tumbling and dance.  But enough
is enough I fail to see how the other routines shown on ABC were so much
more superior in dance quality to the romanian ones shown.

I don't think Ms. Johnson-Calrke ever fully recovered from having to
share her world event final bronze with Emilia Eberle of Romania...


Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 21:07:12 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: FYI: Gymnastics Photos

Just a quick note to let everyone know that uploading (or reproducing in any
way) photos scanned from magazines without express written permission from
the publication -- *ANY* publication -- is a violation of copyright law.

Also uploading, or using in *ANY* way, an unpublished picture without the
permission of the photographer -- be they Eileen Langsley or a parent at your
gym -- is  a big no-no.

This also applies to using photos in your local club newsletter/meet
programs, or as a basis for t-shirts or posters offered for sale. Ditto for
creating gymnastics clipart based on photos found in _International GYMNAST_
or similar publications.

Pictures are subject to the same protection as words, and just as you can't
copy an article from Reuters you also can't slighty change a photo from a
magazine and make it your own.

Thanks for listening,


Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 21:11:03 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Hristakieva

I've been wondering about this for a long time.  What's a Hristakieva?  I
think it refers to two different skills, one on vault and one on bars.  Am I
right?  Anyways, what's a Hristakieva and on what event is this skill?


Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 21:24:06 -0400
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Re: Hristakieva

        On vault, a Hristakieva is a Yurchenko entry (round off onto the
boardh, back handspring to the horse) follwed by a half twist to a front
layout.  On UB, the Hristakieva is the same as a Def (or Gienger with a
full) on men's HB.  In other words, it's a flyaway with 1 1/2 twists to


Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 20:39:27 -0600
Subject: Mareniscu's beam

Perhaps they showed Gina since she did win Vault and FX and they probably
wanted her on the broadcast since she'll be in the hunt for AA in Atlanta.
But, I havce to say that Mareniscu's my bet for AA gold from Romania.

As for the broadcast:

1) Lui's beam was great. Anyone else notice that she used Yang Bo type jumps
three times?

2) Dina deserved to win in my opinion. Lui had a couple of questionable
balance checks. Who knows how Marinescu stacked up. But, just PSYCHED
that Dina finally got a score that she deserves, considering the fact that
she was so underscored in Sabae on beam.

3) Were the two chinese in shown on the Sabae team? If not, the Chinese look


Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 20:46:44 -0500
Subject: ABC Coverage stinks!!!

I too was VERY annoyed that ABC "chacked" Marinescu's beam routine,
especially when it became apparently that they had skipped right over
here. Grr...I would also have preferred to see her to Gogean, or even
to Phelps.

On another note, what is with this hyperactive, overly-jumpy choreography
that is predominate, or least appears to be at the international level?
None of the girls appears to know how to DANCE...*sighs*

Oh, and NCAA event finals are over. I'll post the complete results when
I get them, but winners were Heidi Hornbeek and Kim Kelly on floor (10.)
Leah Brown on vault, Stephanie Woods on bars and Summer Reid on beam.


Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 21:49:39 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: NCAA Women's Event Finals

To all:
   Here are the results from the individual event finals of the NCAA Women's
National Championships. I wrote this as the competition was going on, in the
order it happened. The scores follow each description:

Vault 1: front-tuck w/half, solid, teensy bit low -- 9.950
Vault 2: front-tuck, took step -- 9.775
Final: 9.865

Vault 1: front-tuck w/half, very deep tuck in landing -- 9.800
Vault 2: front-tuck, 1 1/2 hops -- 9.725
Final: 9.7625

Vault 1: front-pike, extremely high and far, 1 step on landing -- 9.900
Vault 2: front-tuck, nice distance, but a little low, step -- 9.800
Final: 9.850

Vault 1: huge, unbelievably high and far, way out there, pike-front -- 9.950
Vault 2: tuck-front, very far distance, slight hop -- 9.825
Final: 9.8875

Vault 1: an okay pike-front, single hop -- 9.850
Vault 2: nice tuck-front w/half, tiny bit low in air -- 9.925
Final: 9.8875

Vault 1: huge, huge pike-front w/half, slightly low on landing -- 10.00
Vault 2: tuck-front w/half, slight step on landing -- 9.90
Final: 9.95

Vault 1: nice pike-front, saluted to hide step-out -- 9.900
Vault 2: an okay tuck-front, 1.5 steps on landing -- 9.750
Final: 9.8250

Vault 1: low pike-front (but nice distance), huge hop on landing -- 9.825
Vault 2: tuck-front, nice, hop on landing -- 9.800
Final: 9.8125

Vault 1: front-tuck w/half, split-foot landing -- 9.950
Vault 2: front-tuck w/full twist, AWESOME!!!! -- 9.925
Final: 9.9375

Vault 1: front-tuck, big hop on landing -- 9.750
Vault 2: front-pike, low, steps backwards -- 9.700
Final: 9.725

ALABAMA'S MEREDITH WILLARD: hop-full, reverse-hecht, toe-on w/half dismount,
didn't hit handstand on low bar -- 9.900

ALABAMA'S STEPHANIE WOODS: stalder, handstand on low bar, stalder, nailed a
double-pike landing, only release move is a bail to handstand on low bar but
still has a 10.00 starting value -- 9.975

ARIZONA'S MAUREEN KEALEY: full into reverse-hecht, Gienger, double-layout
dismount but fell on it -- 9.375

GEORGIA'S JENNI BEATHARD: paused on half-half at top of bar, reverse-hecht,
full-in dismount -- 9.950

UTAH'S SANDY WOOLSEY: hop-full to half to half to reverse-hecht, full-in
dismount, slight step on landing -- 9.875

OREGON STATE'S HEATHER BENNETT: 1 1/2 giant to giant-half to piked-Yeager,
double-layout dismount, wow! -- 9.95

UCLA'S STELLA UMEH: giant-full to giant-full to high, high reverse-hecht,
double-full dismount (landed a bit sideways) -- 9.900

KENTUCKY'S JENNY HANSEN: high Gienger, giant-full to piked Yeager, full-in
dismount, tiny leg seperations throughout -- 9.900

ARIZONA'S HEIDI HORNBEEK: hop-full to hop-full to high, high Gienger, full-in
dismount -- 9.900


MICHIGAN'S WENDY MARSHALL: Fell on series, kinda slow -- 9.375

GEORGIA'S LEAH BROWN: jump-on mount, back-handspring to back-layout (kick out
to keep balance), split leap to back-handspring, 3 straddle-leaps in a row,
double-back dismount -- 9.725

GEORGIA'S LORI STRONG: 1-arm handstand to open routine, hitch-kick to front
walkover, back-handspring to back-handspring to back-layout (perfect),
full-turn to leap, double-back dismount (stuck!) -- 9.900

ALABAMA'S KIM KELLY: front-tuck for mount (stuck!), back-gainer to pike-jump,
back-handspring to back-layout to back-layout to back-layout (fell on last
one), chest roll, front walkover, gainer-full laid-out off side of beam for
dismount -- 9.425

UCLA'S STELLA UMEH: back-layout on for mount, back-handspring to back-layout
(two feet together) to back-layout (stuck), round-off to piked back-layout
(two feet together), straddle leap, double-back dismount, hop on landing --

UCLA'S LUISA PORTOCARRERO: press to mount to back-walkover sideways on beam
for mount, back-handspring to back-handpspring to back-layout (wobble),
illusion turn (almost fell), needle scale, Phillips (the backbreaker one),
Gainer-full laid-out off side of beam -- 9.825

OREGON STATE'S MEGAN MURPHY: jump on for mount, back-handspring to
back-handspring to back-layout (slight wobble), jump to back-handspring,
split jump to straddle-leap, front-walkover to low pike jump, shoulder stand,
ring leap, stuck Rudi dismount -- 9.875

UTAH'S SUMMER REID: back-handspring on for mount, back-handspring to
back-handspring to back-layout (smooth), straddle-jump w/quarter turn, split
jump to back-handspring, back-Gainer full off side of beam for dismount --

GEORGIA'S KAREN LICHEY: Miller!, (wobbled after standing up from Miller
move), back-handspring to back-layout to back-handspring, split-jump to
straddle to straddle, low pike jump to low pike jump to back-handspring
w/quarter turn (landing in handstand), stuck double-back dismount -- 9.900


KENTUCKY'S JENNY HANSEN: piked full-in, shushonova, major front-tumbling
forsecond pass, low double-full for last pass, GOT THE LONGEST STANDING
OVATION OF THE TOURNAMENT, walked back out onto the floor to wave to crowd as
gymnasts all-around hugged her and cried (We're talking about the last
routine of college's greatest gymnast ever) -- 9.90

ALABAMA'S KIM KELLY: full to punch-front through to a double-back, piked
double-back, double full
-- 10.00

ALABAMA'S MEREDITH WILLARD: (had to wipe tears from eyes while waiting for
music to start because she had been crying from joy at teammate's 10.00 score
on previous routine), double-full to back-handspring to back-layout, front
through to double-full, double-full -- 9.850

FLORIDA'S KRISTEN GUISE: double-pike, 2 1/2 twist, three high straddle-jumps
in a row, tucked front-full to full -- 9.900

ALABAMA'S DANIELLE MCADAMS: cat-full, high full-in, legs-apart double-full,
legs-apart double-full -- 9.925

MICHIGAN'S WENDY MARSHALL: front-through to a double-back (stepped out),
front-full to front-tuck to front-handspring, butterfly, low double-back --

UTAH'S MEGAN CAUDLE: two straddle jumps, full-in (low), staddle to straddle
to Shushonova, double-pike (fell out of bounds), front-through to
double-full, Shushonova -- 9.300

LSU'S JENNIFER WOOD: staddle-half, full-in, 3 straddles in a row, back 1 1/2
to front full, kinda low double-back, end with full-twisting neck-kip --

ARIZONA'S HEIDI HORNBEEK: stuck full-in (no lunge backwards), front layout to
front layout to front half, cat-full, Shushonova, ends with 2 1/2 twist,
dances to Grease music and does hand-jive routine at one point, best
front-tumbling of competition (makes it look like back-tumbling)-- 10.00

 -- Ronald


Date:    Sun, 28 Apr 1996 01:02:41 EDT
From:    ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject: Re: Dom Moceanu-Mag Cover

I agree with Michele. The magazine cover was nice. But for everybody
to assume she is an Olympian is a little presumptuous. We haven't
even had the nationals yet. It think all of this hype puts a lot of
pressure on her. It's too much for someone so young.

I have heard many people say she is going to win gold in Atlanta.
Suppose she doesn't win gold in Atlanta? Suppose she doesn't even
make the Olympic team (heaven forbid)? I know she has a lot of
potential and is very talented, but we haven't seen enough of her to
make such grand expectations. Besides who should? She has been on the
national scene one year? 2? She won a silver medal on one apparatus
(balance beam) at the '95 world championships, and of course the all
around last year at the nationals. But we must be careful to not to
make her out to be the next Nadia Comeneci. Not just yet. Those are
some big shoes to fill.


Date:    Sun, 28 Apr 1996 02:31:00 MDT
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: MEN: Event Finals at NCAA Championships

1996 NCAA Men's Gymnastics Championships
Event Finals
April 27, 1996
Palo Alto, California, at Stanford University

Top six on each event earn all-American honors.

1. Ian Bachrach    Stanford   9.913
2. Jay Thornton    Iowa       9.863
3= Shannon Welker  Ill-Chic.  9.825
3= Joe Roemer      Penn State 9.825
5. David Kruse     Cal        9.813
6. Jeremy Killen   Oklahoma   9.788
7. Casey Bryan     Oklahoma   9.700
8. Jamie Ellis     Stanford   9.475
9. Jason Christie  Nebraska   9.250
10. Don Kinison    Nebraska   8.775

1. Drew Durbin     OSU        9.875
2. Kendall Shiess  New Mexico 9.850
3. Marshall Nelson Nebraska   9.825
4. Greg Gebhardt   Iowa       9.738
5. Jeremy Herman   Stanford   9.713
6= Casey Bryan     Oklahoma   9.638
6= Kenny Sykes     Temple     9.638
8= Michael Finn    OSU        9.613
8= Darren Elg      BYU        9.613
10. Keith Wiley    Stanford   8.550

1= Scott McCall    WMU        9.825
1= Blaine Wilson   OSU        9.825
3. Ted Harris      Nebraska   9.800
4. Bryan Fox       Cal        9.775
5. David Eckert    OSU        9.763
6. Chris Camiscioli Iowa      9.700
7. Ofri Porat      Syracuse   9.613
8. Aaron Cotter    Iowa       9.600

1. Jay Thornton    Iowa       9.613
2. Ian Bachrach    Stanford   9.550
3. Jeremy Killen   Oklahoma   9.538
4. Clarence Miao   Stanford   9.525
5. David Kruse     Cal        9.500
6. Travis Rosen    Iowa       9.475
7. Keith Wiley     Stanford   9.175
8. Jason Rogers    Iowa       9.125
10. Blaine Wilson  OSU        9.075

1= Jamie Ellis     Stanford   9.750
1= Blaine Wilson   OSU        9.750
3. Jay Thornton    Iowa       9.738
4. Trent Wells     Cal        9.700
5. Jason Christie  Nebraska   9.650
6. Thomas Ellefson Penn State 9.488
7. Hugh Lau        Iowa       9.375
8. Aaron Cotter    Iowa       8.350

1. Carl Imhauser   Temple     9.875
2= Ian Bachrach    Stanford   9.850
2= David Kruse     Stanford   9.850
4. Blaine Wilson   OSU        9.838
5. Drew Durbin     OSU        9.813
6= Jason Christie  Nebraska   9.725
6= Darren Elg      BYU        9.725
8. Shane Evangelist New Mex.  9.650
9. Greg McGlaun    Ill-Chic.  9.150
10. Peter Hegi     Stanford   9.100
11. Josh Birckelbaw Cal       8.500

# # #


End of GYMN-L Digest - 27 Apr 1996 to 28 Apr 1996 - Special issue