GYMN-L Digest - 26 Feb 1996 to 27 Feb 1996

There are 17 messages totalling 527 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  2. special requirements
  3. Peactree
  4. Phys-ed project (2)
  5. Buckeye Classic
  6. Peachtree
  7. Thank you and apparatus and home country advantage
  8. Correction
  9. TV alert! (2)
 10. Florida vs. LSU
 11. <No subject given>
 12. GYMN-L Digest - 26 Feb 1996
 13. Help with AAU
 14. Cdn Women's World Team Selection Info


Date:    Tue, 27 Feb 1996 00:22:22 +1300
From:    ***@VOYAGER.CO.NZ

In reply to Leeanne's question re Jennie Thompsons vault.
She executed a yurchenko - back layout =BD twist off which has a Start Value
of 9.7 in the Intl code. An easier vault than the one she would have
nominated a yurchenko =BD layout front s/v of 9.9.  This vault was  obvious=
the back =BD , she was still turning as she hit the floor.  The turn is
supposed to be before(or at a pinch in the first =BD ) the salto.
I am surmising that she called the 9.9 vault because of the scores posted.
9.525.  An unlikely score from a start value of 9.7 with her amplitude
problems as well as body form.
There is also a penalty of 0.3 for doing a vault other than the one=
  Steve Nunno was he really wearing a microphone?
I was surprised to see such a recent USA competition down here in New
Zealand.  Its nice to keep up with what is going on in Olympic Year. =20
Did Mina Kim really do a yurcheko pike 1/1.
I am looking forward to seeing more.
This is my 2nd posting in a week so I will introduce myself.  I am a Brevet
Judge living in Christchurch New Zealand.  I coach Elite and Levels female
gymnasts as well as judge.  I am NZ's Judging Director. I am also an
administrator and ex gymnast.  My daughters have also done gym so I think I
have covered all angles.
I judged Vault at the Worlds in Sabae and Brisbane recently and have held my
brevet since 1980.


Date:    Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:57:41 GMT
From:    ***@FS1.HO.MAN.AC.UK
Subject: special requirements

Hi all,
       Recently I had a conversation on the next code of points with
a GB National Judge. She had heard that next year the
deduction for special requirements will be increased from 0.1 to 0.5.
This was to encourage special requirement to be worked at all FIG
events. In the UK a full spin on beam for example is sometimes
ommitted from the routine because the gymnast falls off. The coach
then weighs up the loss of 0.5 gainst the loss of 0.1 for not putting
in the special requirement. I persoanlly think this could be a
good thing. Anyone out there heard anything along these lines?


Date:    Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:25:54 -0500
From:    ***@EAGLE.LHUP.EDU
Subject: Re: Peactree

A double back under JO rules is a D.  Collegiate gymnasts are judged
under level 10 rules with some minor variations.

> > Does anyone know what Jenny Thompson's floor routine was worth?  It seeme4d
> > that it wasn't even worth a 9.825- how could the judges think of that score.
> >
> Well, the Peachtree Classic, unless I am mistaken, was judged from level
> 10 rules, not from the elite rules, and although her only back tumbling
> was a double tuck and a double twist, perhaps her front-full punch front
> and her front-full were enough to give her a 10 start value under level
> 10 rules, since a front-full is a "D".
> Does anyone know what a double tuck is valued under level 10 rules?  I
> am wondering if it might be valued at "D", since I know that a double
> tuck or pike is a "D" in collegiate competition.  I once heard a
> commentator say that NCAA falls under J.O. guidelines.  Does that mean
> that collegiate women's is judged by the level 10 Code?
> Kerry


Date:    Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:01:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Phys-ed project

>I am wondering if anyone has any ideas as to what I could do my OAC
>Kinesology independent project on.  Last year I did Eating Disasters in the
>Sport of Gymnastics, so I can't do that again - I have the same teacher.
>Anyways, I would like to do something about gymnastics becasue I have a lot
>of knowledge on it, plus, my teacher doesn't know that much about it.  Any
>ideas?  You can e-mail me privately, that way everyone isn't stuck with the
>mail.  Thanks for your help, just one request, I should tell my teacher my
>topic on Monday, so any replies this weekend would be greatly appreciated.

This might be an interesting topic for any of you in academia:

I've always been curious to see a study done on the handedness and
turning/spinning direction topic particulary with respect to gymnastics
versus figure skating.  The fs community seems to believe that if you're
right-handed, you must jump & spin counter-clockwise, and vice-versa.
The gymn community generally believes this to be ridiculous.
I haven't seen any academic-based "proof" to this.  Certainly, there have
been many threads about this topic here in the GYMN-L (see digests in archives)
as well as in  Plus, you could also look
at athletes in other sports like swimming (which way they turn at the wall),
diving, and hockey, as well as non-athletes and their natural turning

Since I'm involved with both gymn & fs, I'd be happy to provide further
information & insights via e-mail.




Date:    Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:33:44 GMT
From:    ***@M4-ARTS.BHAM.AC.UK
Subject: Re: Buckeye Classic

Thanks for the notes on the Buckeye Classic.  Does anyone know hwo
was on the Camberley team?



Date:    Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:27:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Phys-ed project

At 09:58 PM 2/23/96 -0600, you wrote:
>Why don't you try something on the line of the Presidental Physical Fitness
>Testing results between school kids who take gymnastics and one who do not.
>My daughter, who was 9 in December broke 3 school records in the physical
>fitness testing.  I was very impressed with the results when I saw the ages of
>the kids which she beat out.

Interesting--last year (my daughter was 10 at the time) my daughter's school
had the Presidential Physical Fitness test.  My daughter go the second
highest number of pull-ups for her school--beaten only by one person,
another gymnast from her team (who did 2 more than she did).  Both girls did
8 more than the highest ranked boy.  Whoever said gymnastices was a sissy sport?


Date:    Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:09:01 -0500
From:    ***@YFN.YSU.EDU

>  Steve Nunno was he really wearing a microphone?
He was, but it was so garbled it sounded like a bad Bela


Date:    Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:09:11 CST
Subject: Peachtree

        Here's the thing that most sticks out in my mind...

        Did anyone else notice how incredibly NEGATIVE Andree Pickens'
        coach, Debbie Kaitschuk(?) was after her floor routine?  The camera did
        not show her face, but the mike picked up her voice hammering Andree
        for watering down her last tumbling run.

        It really bothered me...



Date:    Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:43:19 -0500
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Thank you and apparatus and home country advantage

        I would like to thank all of the people who sent information
about IG delivery. It really helped.

         I have a question about having an advantage at a
meet. In Puerto Rican newspapers, many of the writers talk about how
the gymnasts from Puerto Rico will do well at Worlds because they are
familar with the equipment.  I recall that similar statements for the
Olympics  were made by gymnasts at the US Championships.

         Is there is an advantage to be use to the equipment at a
meet or is this something that the writers use to make the story
interesting?   I know in skating sometimes people talk this.  At the
Goodwill games in 1994 in Russia  many people wre talking about the ice.

        Why do people say that teams benefited from high scores anyway
just because the event is in their own country anyways.  I know
gymnastics is not track and field where a photo finish usually decides
any problems. There are problems in track and field,but for example, why
should Austraila  expect to finish in the top three teams in the year


Date:    Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:29:00 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Correction

To all of you who read my update on Torrance York, please forgive me for this
huge error!! Torrance went to YALE not Harvard. I guess I was kinda tired
when I was writing that. Sorry for the inconvienience this may have caused


Date:    Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:09:25 -0600
From:    ***@SNCAC.SNC.EDU
Subject: TV alert!

American Cup will be shown on NBC on Saturday, March 2nd, 3:00-5:00pm/Centr



Date:    Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:30:45 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Florida vs. LSU

After ESPN's 4:00pm est. broadcast, I recieved the following results:

Florida 194.850
LSU    193.250


LSU 1. Kristy Savoie 39.425 (5th highest in the nation)
Flor. 2. Amy Myerson 39.275
Flor. 3. Kristen Guise 39.150
LSU 4. Amy McClowsky 39.125
LSU 5. Jennifer Wood 39.00
Flor. 6. Chrissy Vogel 38.90
Flor. 7. Erika Selga 38.10
LSU 8. Stephanie Viado 37.575

I missed the first part of the meet, but here is what I didn't miss on beam
and floor.
Please excuse and correct any mistakes, thank you!!

Kristy Savoie-AA champion
Beam-9.80  Great routine, great rythymn, nails dismount (front full)
Floor-9.90 Nails all of her passes, Great height on opening pass, uses her
schools anthem for her floor music, an All-Around great gymnast!!

Amy Myerson-2nd AA
Floor-9.80 Very solid, nice dance, very nice valdez
Beam-9.875 Very nice routine. Tumbling includes gainer back layout, 1 hand b.
and a full twist dismount off the side.

Kristen Guise-3rd AA
Beam-9.325 Very solid routine, until dismount. Touched down on her 2 & 1/2
twists. That is what cost her 1st AA
Floor-9.975 (one judge gave her a 10.0!) Great double b. pike and 2&1/2 b.
twists, great combination in third pass, nails her routine

Amy McClowsky-4th AA
Beam-9.925 Over all great routine, nice rythymn, good tumbling, nice variety,
solid dismount
Floor-9.85 Great tumbler, but a little low on second pass,nails double pike

Jen Wood-5th AA
Floor-(I couldn't get her score). Very difficult routine, great height on her
full-in and double back, fell on her last pass, would've been a really high
scorer without the fall, good effort though
Beam-9.85 Great mount (r.o.,1 handed b. handspring), Many form breaks, wobble
on b. hand. layout, great dismount (double back).


Date:    Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:20:15 -0500
From:    ***@PIPELINE.COM
Subject: <No subject given>

Subject: RESULTS:  Empire Classic OPEN Division

Over this past weekend I attended the Empire Classic in Albany NY.  Teams
from NY, Massachusetts, North Carolina, New Jersey, Rhode Island and
Pennsylvania; as well as 3 Russian clubs, competed.

RESULTS - Open Division (Level 10 & Elite)

TEAM (4 athletes, 3 scores count)

1.  Yaroslavl (Russia)/Tula (Russia)  111.175
2.  Valley A (New York) 106.325
3.  Pioneer A (Mass.) 67.300  [2 athletes]
4.  Valley B (New York) 63.950  [2 athletes]


1.  Yulia Molotkova (Yaroslavl)               9.250     9.450     9.175
9.325     37.200
2.  Tatyana Mozhilnikova (Yaroslavl)    8.500     9.075     9.275     9.425
3.  Anya Zasipkina (Tula)                          9.400     9.425
8.425     8.800     36.050
4.  Roseann Kosawski (Valley A)             8.250     9.200     9.050
9.225     35.725
5.  Sara Wasilenko (Valley A)                   8.950     8.675     8.100
  9.375     35.100
6.  Janelle Diorio (Valley A)         34.450
7.  Sarah Tudryn (Pioneer A)       34.225
8.  Lindsay Fowler (Valey A)        33.100
9.  Jill Cerasa (Pioneer A)              33.075
10.  Candace Zywiak (Valley A)   32.950
11.  Erin Kahler (Valley B)            32.900
12.  Jill Kosowski (Valley B)         31.050
13.  Yevgenia Tikhonova (Yaroslavl)  27.125  [competed 3 events  V-8.25,
BB-9.375, FX-9.5)

APPARATUS FINALS  -  Valley Gymnastics left after Saturday's competition,
and did not compete Finals

V (2 attempts, top score counts)

1.  Anya Zasipkina (Tula)                          9.475
2.  Yulia Molotkova (Yaroslavl)               9.325
3.  Tatyana Mozhilnikova (Yaroslavl)    9.050
4.  Jill Cerasa (Pioneer A)                           8.950
5.  Sarah Tudryn (Pioneer A)                    8.700


1.  Tatyana Mozhilnikova (Yaroslavl)    9.575
2.  Anya Zasipkina (Tula)                          9.550
3.  Yulia Molotkova (Yaroslavl)               9.425
4.  Jill Cerasa (Pioneer A)                           8.200
5.  Sarah Tudryn (Pioneer A)                    8.150


1.  Anya Zasipkina (Tula)                          9.600
2.  Yevgenia Tikhonova (Yaroslavl)       9.350
3.  Yulia Molotkova (Yaroslavl)               8.650
3.  Jill Cerasa (Pioneer A)                            8.650
5.  Tatyana Mozhilnikova (Yaroslavl)    8.500
6.  Sarah Tudryn (Pioneer A)                    8.350


1.  Yevgenia Tikhonova (Yaroslavl)       9.425
2.  Anya Zasipkina (Tula)                          9.375
3.  Tatyana Mozhilnikova (Yaroslavl)    9.325
4.  Yulia Molotkova (Yaroslavl)               9.275
5.  Jill Cerasa (Pioneer A)                            8.500
6.  Sarah Tudryn (Pioneer A)                    8.150


Date:    Mon, 26 Feb 1996 21:14:39 -0500
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 26 Feb 1996

On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Automatic digest processor wrote:

> There is one message totalling 18 lines in this issue.
> Topics of the day:
>   1. GYMN-L Digest - 25 Feb 1996 - Special issue
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date:    Mon, 26 Feb 1996 01:57:26 -0500
> From:    ***@DELPHI.COM
> Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 25 Feb 1996 - Special issue
> Hey James,
> I only knew lyn through her involvement with managing the Cross
> Country teams.  I knew her sister Brenda somewhat better.  Wish
> I could help out more.  I'm really looking forward to matching
> up some names with some faces at the grand reunion in
> Washington.  Hope to see you there this summer.
> Take Care!
>                                         -Jeff-
> ------------------------------
> End of GYMN-L Digest - 26 Feb 1996
> **********************************


Date:    Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:05:27 -0600
From:    ***@SNCAC.SNC.EDU
Subject: TV alert!

American Cup will be shown on Saturday, March 2nd, 3:00-5:00pm/Central

on NBC.   (TVWeek guide)



Date:    Tue, 27 Feb 1996 00:37:34 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Help with AAU

Hi Everyone,

I am having a hard time understanding exactly what purpose  AAU is.  I know
it stands for Amateur Athletic Union.  But what is it? Where they apart of
USAG?  Do they have levels like USAG?  Are they judged like USAG?  Do they
use the same Code of Points. Some people I have talk to said they are the
international gymnist. Could someone please explain it to me.



Date:    Tue, 27 Feb 1996 01:09:00 -0400
Subject: Cdn Women's World Team Selection Info

1996 World Individual Championships
Canadian Women's World Team Selection Activity

 Centre Pierre Charbonneau (Olympic park)
 3000 rue Viau
 Montreal, PQ

Competition Schedule (As of January 19, 1996):
 Friday March 15, 1996:   14:00-17:00  Day 1 Optionals
 Saturday March 16, 1996: 14:00-17:00  Day 2 Optionals

Athletes Invited to the Selection Activity
(As of February 23, 1996)

Gymnast               Club                   Vault Bars  Beam  Floor

Yvonne Tousek         Cambridge Kips           x     x     x     x

Sarah Deegan          Oshawa Gemini            x           x

Marie-Claude Boucher  Gymnacentre                    x

Natalie Barrington    Gymnastics Mississauga         x     x
Lena Degteva          "                        x     x     x     x
Sia Kanellopoulos     "                                    x
Shanyn MacEachern     "                        x     x     x     x
Theresa Wolf          "                              x     x

Marilou Cousineau     Club Gymnix              x     x     x     x

Veronique Leclerc     Gym-Richelieu            x     x     x     x
Annie Leclerc         "                                          x

Marleen Lavoie        Ortona                               x

Katie McAvoy          Panthers                       x

Jennifer Exaltacion   Winstonettes             x           x     x
Jaime Hill            "                                    x
Tammy Stauffer        "                              x

Stephanie Hyett       Wimgym                         x

TOTAL                                          7    11    12     7


End of GYMN-L Digest - 26 Feb 1996 to 27 Feb 1996