GYMN-L Digest - 26 Apr 1996 to 27 Apr 1996

There are 15 messages totalling 394 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Introduction
  2. Wide World of Sports
  3. <No subject given> (2)
  4. Super Six Update
  5. Nadia and Bart's wedding
  6. NCAA super Six update number two
  7. Abuse In Gymnastics....
  8. NCAA Unofficial final results
  9. NCAA Team Scores
 10. Re-Intro
 11. Dom Moceanu-Mag Cover!
 12. Gym Ownership
 13. Dance Stretches
 14. MEN: Team Finals at NCAA Men's Championships


Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:47:23 -0800
Subject: Introduction

Hi, I thought I would continue with the recent trends of intros... I'm
Melinda, I'm 28 and another HUGE fan of gymnastics.( It is nice to know
there ARE a lot of us)  I trained in Canada until I was 19 and then
regretably I gave it up,  I really miss it!   I have been coaching since I
was 15 and I really enjoy that too and I'm now coaching and living in
Moscow, Idaho. ( Yes there is a place in USA called Moscow!)  I love
traveling and the past few years I have been lucky enough to visit a lot
of different countries and made sure to hunt out the gymnastics meets
and clubs while I was there! It is so interesting to see how other
countries train, how the kids are, what the gyms are like etc.  I coached
in England and also Zimbabwe which was pretty cool. I also saw the
national training facility they have in Canberra, Australia which was
worth checking out for any gymnasticst fan. ( Or any sport for that
matter as they seem to have them all the national teams there in the
training center) I think that the national teams HAVE to train there and it
has caused a bit of contoversy in Oz because of this, any Ozzie
gymners enlighten us on the recent developments?  I know countries
like Romania and old USSR have similar rules,  what do people think of
that philosophy?  The strength of the National team vs the gymnasts'
living at home?
I work at the University of Idaho, but am being tempted more and more to
try and coach full time instead!  I'm sure many of you can relate this!
Anyway I am always happy to talk to any other gymnastics people....


Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:04:41 -0400
Subject: Wide World of Sports

     Better check local listings for the WWoS anniversary special. Jeff said it
was on this Sunday at 1 pm EST, but here in Columbus it's airing from 4-6 pm
EST Sunday. My local TV Guide says specifically that Nadia Comaneci will be
profiled. I wouldn't be surprised if there were clips from her wedding.
     Hopefully tomorrow's WWoS won't have TOO much horse-racing. I heard the
show is supposed to be devoted mainly to gymnastics, with only a "preview" of
the Kentucky Derby. But then again, after last week, when they wasted so much
time showing stories they'd already aired during their Sabae coverage rather
than routines, I don't have a lot of faith in them... BTW, someone asked about
the back hip circle that Khorkina "added" to her routine. Well, what we saw on
ABC is not what the new element is supposed to look like. She is supposed to do
the Pak salto into a back hip circle and then immediate half twist to the high
bar. She hit it beautifully in qualifying and semi-finals and then missed it in
finals. It would have been nice if ABC had shown us one of her earlier routines
so viewers could have better understood what Kathy was talking about when she
said Svetlana missed her new move. They certainly had the time!



Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:55:26 -0400
From:    ***@WPI.EDU
Subject: <No subject given>

        I was wondering if anyone could help me locate a video put out on
Nadia's life.  A friend had mentioned some thing about its existence, but
could not tell me how to get a copy.  Would anyone be able to direct me in
the right direction.  Would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks for your help.



Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:26:49 -0500
Subject: Super Six Update

Courtesy of Press Row in TUscaloose, Alabama, a Super six Update

1) Georgia     98.525 (completed beam and floor)
2) Michigan    98.300 (completed vault and bars)
3) Alabama     49.475 (completed bars)
4) UCLA        49.450 (completed vault)
5) Utah        49.150 (completed beam)
6) OSU         48.950 (completed floor)

It appears we are in for one heck of a competition. Bama was on beam
when I called, UCLA on bars, Utah on floor and OSU on vault. More updates
as they come available (which means when I can call) :).


Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:10:38 -0400
From:    ***@SCRANTON.COM
Subject: <No subject given>

anyone know what it is?


Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:11:34 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Nadia and Bart's wedding

>... Nadia Comaneci and Bart Conner's wedding, which took place today.

Actually, the 26th was just the civil ceremony (a traditional part of all
orthodox weddings). Saturday the 27th is the big church event.

Watch for videos highlights on Wide World's 35th ann. show this Sunday.



Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 21:22:34 -0500
Subject: NCAA super Six update number two

More scores, though not complete cuz I called middle of rotation five:
suprise of the evening: UCLA is still in the hunt....

49.450 (vault) 49.250 (bars) in the middle of beam

49.150 (beam) 49.175 (floor) middle of vault

48.950 (floor) 49.475 (vault) 49.175 (bars) on a bye

49.400 (beam) 49.125 (floor!) 49.675 (vault) on bars

49.475 (bars) 49.150 (beam) 49.625 (floor) K.Kelly 10.0 on floor, bye

49.300 (vault) 49.000 (bars 48.975 (beam) on floor at present

BTW, georgia was finishing on bars when I called.
More to come


Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:29:28 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Abuse In Gymnastics....

                           Ok. I know that this is out of the subject
and all but I never really got to make my point about gymnastics and
abuse. Ok:here's my story....

                            I was on Level 4 team last summer. The
coach wasn't very nice to me. She didn't really call me any names but
she was very rude to me and told me that I had no talent. I am 14 as
you all probably know and I am/was not stupid. I didn't like the
situation that I was in so I left. No one said that I HAD to be there.
No one tied me down and MADE me go. Sure, my parents were a little
disappointed but they got over it. I'm just glad that I got out before
I began to hate it. I still go to classes and I'm doing better than
ever. I don't consider what she did abuse. My parents paid her good
money to train me well and make me a champion and she was doing her
job. Lots of the girls love her but her style wasn't for me. I still
see her all the time and she's kind to me and I am kind to her. I just
like to have fun and try new things and not have all of the preeure.
Some people like that but I didn't. It's no big thing. If I still
wanted to compete, I could. I could go to another gym but I choose not
to. I am in control of me. Like my teacher always says" If you don't
like it, there's the door." Well, I saw the door so I left....



Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 21:42:03 -0500
Subject: NCAA Unofficial final results

Guys, who woulda thunk it??? :):):)
OK, this is all unofficial, what I got off of press row, they were
waiting for one score for floor for UCLA, but the girl had fallen,
and youcould hear the cheers loud and clear (VERY LOUD!) on this end
of the phone. Anyhow, here's what I got:

1) Alabama  198.025
2) UCLA     197.500 (or somethin close)
3) Utah     196.775
4) Georgia  196.750 (48.575 disaster on last rotation, bars)
5) OSU      196.525
6) Michigan 196.375

Again, this is all unofficial, and I'll save the cheers for ths
Bama fans, who were making an unbelievable rucus on the other end,


Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:09:32 -0500
Subject: NCAA Team Scores

OK, this is what I have, unoficially, still, but it's darn close:

1) Alabama      49.775  49.475  49.150  49.625          198.025
2) UCLA         49.450  49.250  49.500  49.300          197.500
3) Utah         49.250  49.200  49.150  49.175          196.775
4) Georgia      49.675  48.575  49.400  49.125          196.750
5) OSU          49.475  49.175  48.925  48.950          196.525
6) Michigan     49.300  49.000  48.975  49.100          196.375

Alabama apparently racked up two tens (Kim Kelly and Daniele McAdams)
on their final rotation, vault. They also had a ten on floor from Kim.


Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:14:31 -0400
From:    ***@HICOM.NET
Subject: Re-Intro

Howdy, GYMNers:

I am Michele (newlywed--still can't let go of that maiden name
yet...), your Fantasy Gymnastics Game Meister (Meistress?).

I teach 8th grade foreign languages (French, Spanish & Italian) in Cliffside
Park, New Jersey (USA) 2 miles from the bridge leading to 'da Bronx.  As a
language person, one thing I love about this list is the many nations
represented here.  Other hobbies:  I love theatre, I act/sing/dance in as much
community theatre (musicals) as a teaching job will allow.  Love mystery novels
(especially 'alphabet' mysteries w/Kinsey Milhone, a strong, wise-cracking
female PI).  And my husband has recently converted me into a cat-lover:)

I danced pretty seriously for about 8 years, and came into gymn with THAT
background.  As for my involvement with the great sport of gymnastics, I
competed in high school, but I started too late (14) to rise to stardom or
achieve greatness.  But I gained more in goal-setting, controlling nerves, team
mentality, to name a few benefits of gymn in the four years I did it than
probably any other undertaking in my life, with the exception of theatre.  They
both require all of those things!

Great idea to re-introduce ourselves.  I hate the flame wars, and hope this warm
and fuzzy aura on the list continues...

Ciao, nice to meet you all again,


Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:14:34 -0400
From:    ***@HICOM.NET
Subject: Dom Moceanu-Mag Cover!

Howdy, GYMNers:

To my dismay, I saw at a New York Port Authority newsstand today the most recent
issue of Vanity Fair, with, among five or six athletes from other sports,
Dominique Moceanu on a cover entitled "The (or 'Our') Olympic Athletes."

I say this is to my 'dismay' since in the USA's recent history, putting a
gymnast on a magazing cover BEFORE she competes in the meet of her life is
usually inversely proportional to her performance at the meet--translation:  she
doesn't, for whatever reason, live up to the 'hype.'  Like many of you with the
infamous Kodak commercial, I am appalled that in this instance, Moceanu has not
even made an Olympic team, and is being touted as 'Olympic Athlete' (maybe I'd
have preferred 'Olympic Hopeful' or something safer).

I do not blame the media for this.  I am not entirely sure who I blame for this.
The athlete?  The coach?  Vanity Fair itself?  I dunno.  But I just got a queasy
feeling in my tummy when I saw the mag.  I hope that my worry was for naught,
and that Dom kicks major gluteus maximus at trials and then at the Games.  But
for the record, I am not in favor of too much hype around Olympic hopefuls,
especially the young ones.

Acting like the over-protective schoolteacher that I am,


Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:42:32 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Gym Ownership

Sorry Gina -

I didn't write the note toward your friend... I am glad you stepped up and
opened your gym... you may bring something to the table other owners don't...
a base ground in a true love of the sport.

Mike Mayzak


Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:23:25 -0600
Subject: Dance Stretches

This request is directed toward Dance coaches and choreographers. I'm
planning a stretching class mainly for dance, does anyone have a proven
program or good references that they are willing to share. You may E-mail me
privately if you wish. Thanks


Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 00:07:00 MDT
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: MEN: Team Finals at NCAA Men's Championships

Apologies to those who receive this mailing twice because they are on both

NCAA Men's Gymnastics Championships
Team Finals
April 26, 1996
Stanford University
Palo Alto, California

1. Ohio State 232.150
2. Cal-Berkeley 231.775
3. Stanford 229.925
Scoresheet, courtesy of Mayland (the official statistician for the meet)

Ohio State Univ.
                  FX    PH     R     V    PB    HB
Frank Ansevin   9400
Drew Durbin     9700  9825  9725  9000  9100  9825
David Eckert                9850        9200
Tim Elsner      9750  9500  9550  9400        9625
Chad Finefrock              9750              9700
Michael Finn          9400
Peter Landry                9600        9500
Michael Morgan  9675  9600        9250  9200  8500
Neil Niemi                        9000
Doug Stibel     9600  9600        9675  9600  9675
Blaine Wilson   9925  9750  9850  9750  9675  9900
               39050 38775 39175 38075 37975 39100 232150

Univ. of Calfornia
                    FX    PH     R     V    PB    HB
Josh Birckelbaw   9625  9625  9550  9500  9000  9725
Alex Chansky      8750  9350        9200  9350  9600
Brycen Counts     9500              9350
CJ Faust                      9050
Bryan Fox                     9825
Steve George            8500  9550
David Kruse       9825  9600  9525  9400  9550  9900
Andrew Mason            9825  9500        9750  9750
Gewin Sincharoen  9625  9725        9500  9400  9725
Trent Wells       9825              9525  9800  9850
                 38900 38775 38450 37925 38500 39225 231775

Stanford Univ.
                     FX    PH     R     V    PB    HB
Ian Bachrach       9800        8600  9550        9250
Gabe Edelman                   9300        9350
Jamie Ellis        9750  9625  9500  9150  9600  9825
Scott Finkelstein  9500  9650        8900        9050
Peter Hegi         8600        9600  9150        9700
Jeremy Herman            9650              9500
Andrew Manson                  9650
Clarence Miao      9700  9575        9250  8750  9450
Keith Wiley        9900  8900  9625  9300  9400  9825
Oliver Demree            9400              9000
                  39150 38500 38375 37250 37850 38800 229925

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