GYMN-L Digest - 25 Oct 1995 to 26 Oct 1995

There are 19 messages totalling 484 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Roza Galiyeva (5)
  2. Delegation Update for Subway & Ameera?
  3. Software Trainingsmanager, Questions
  4. Tim Daggett
  5. Subway Page
  6. 93 Russian women, Pre-Olympics (2)
  8. Too much Gymn mail?
  9. introduction
 10. Hmmm
 11. IN high school gymn
 12. Eating disorders...  my 2 cents...
 13. Russian girl at '93 Worlds
 14. Trivia Questions Needed:  1988 Olympics


Date:    Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:40:42 -0400
Subject: Roza Galiyeva

     In response to Emily's question, yes, Roza is originally from Uzbekistan.
But for several years now she has been wanting to compete for Russia, since the
training conditions, etc., are better there. The problem was getting her
citizenship changed from Uzbekistan to Russia. The paperwork had not been
completed in time for Sabae, but it seems to have gone through now. Roza
competed in this year's Russian Championships and won vault. In Sabae,
Khorkina's coach told me that she's been working out *very* hard and wants more
than anything else to make the Russian Olympic team. Perhaps Russia chose to
send her to the pre-Olympics as kind of a test, to see how she does
internationally after having been away for a while.
     On another topic, does anyone know which Ukrainians (men and women) will
be competing in the Subway meet? I know Sharipov, Svetlichny, Mirgorodskaya and
Karpenko are scheduled for the pre-Olympics and was wondering if the same four
would be in Canada. Since a good number of the team members will be in the US
for a training camp right before the Subway meet (supposedly Podkopayeva,
Burban, Sheremeta, Zelepukina, Kosyak, Shamenko and Yermakov, besides the 4
mentioned above), it seems like the coaches could send anyone they wanted!
Grace, do you know if Ukraine has submitted a list of competitors yet?



Date:    Thu, 26 Oct 1995 00:18:58 -0400
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: Delegation Update for Subway & Ameera?

Didn't Rosa Galieva retire recently?  I thought I read that somewhere.

> >From CGF today, there are two bits of news on the Subway World Gymnastics
> Challenge competitors:
> 1.  Rosa Galieva has replaced Oxana Fabrichnova on the Russian delegation.
> Elena Grosheva is still coming.
> 2.  American men Kip Simons and Jair Lynch were entered.  Still no word
> about women.
> Does anyone have a profile on the American men?  I'll post anything I get
> on the web pages, which I'm updating daily.  These are at
> Ameera Butler, I replied to your message but it got bounced.  Do you have
> an alternate e-mail address, or would you mind if I posted your question &
> my reply here?
> Regards,
> Grace


Date:    Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:38:01 +0100
Subject: Software Trainingsmanager, Questions

Hi everyone, I am new here on Gymn.
I am a coach for women gymnastics and I am developing a software to manage
the training. This software now contains trivial modules like:
       - handling the general datas ob gymnastics and coaches
       - competition support (events, results and statistics)
       - timeplanner (yearly, monthly, weekly and down for each day so you
                      will have a close overview of the great events and you
                      see what to do today this unit of training)

I want to develop some new modules:
       - support to design the training refering to a timeplanner
       - planning the course of the training
       - help to work out the exercises (coupled with an browser through the
         FIG Code)
       - giving assistence for methodical ways (perhaps line people or
         pictures or even videos)
       - storing and generating statistic the performence (sorry for this
         word, my english is not good) of the gymnastics (power, condition,
         fitness, medical datas, ...)
       - Objectbrowsers e.g. for FIG Code, methodical ways, power training,
         elastic elements, ...
       - Log book for each gymnast


-- Is there a Software on the net which may help me developing my program,
   or which probably covers the my whole program specification?

-- Have I waked any interests in this program?

-- Does anyone wants to help me?

-- I have the FIG code on paper but I urgently need this as file?

-- I am very grateful for a lot of ideas or criticism?

-- How do you handle a Log book for the training/gymnast?

I am looking forward to some answers,



Date:    Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:54:16 -0400
From:    ***@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU
Subject: Re: Roza Galiyeva

Someone refreshe my memory.  Is Roza Galiyeva the Russian athlete who
competed in the 93 Worlds for Russia?  In the ABC coverage we were shown
Fabrichnova and another 15yr old who medaled on floor.  Was that her and
if not then who was that ?  Monica


Date:    Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:48:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Roza Galiyeva

> Someone refreshe my memory.  Is Roza Galiyeva the Russian athlete who
> competed in the 93 Worlds for Russia?  In the ABC coverage we were shown
> Fabrichnova and another 15yr old who medaled on floor.  Was that her and
> if not then who was that ?  Monica
Rosa was on the 1992 Unified Olympic Team.  She was third on her team
after the team competition, but was pulled from the AA due to an
"injury," placing Tatiana Gutsu into the AA.  The person from 1993, I
think, was Dina Kochetkeva (who went on to bronze AA in 1994 worlds and
the Goodwill Games Title later that year)



Date:    Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:11:46 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Tim Daggett

All this talk about commentators made me wonder about the status of Tim
Daggett.  Since he was recently named the assistant Olympic coach for the
U.S. Men's Team, is he no longer working for NBC??  I know that NBC has
already announced that Tim and Elfi would cover the gymnastics competition,
but given Tim's recent change in jobs, it seems like that would be
impossible!  I wonder who they would ask to replace him?  Does anyone have
any information on this?



Date:    Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:18:55 EST
Subject: Re: Subway Page

As yearbook and newletter editor for the Sport Seneca folks, I have a few
gif/jpg's from Sabae. If you are interested in them for inclusion in your
home page, let me know and I'll send them to you. I have Gogean, Ji, Mo,
Chorkina and the Pod.



Date:    Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:52:06 -0500
Subject: 93 Russian women, Pre-Olympics

Date sent:  26-OCT-1995 08:49:50

The woman who medaled on floor in Birmingham was Natalia Bobrove, who
didn't end up in another major competition (to my knowledge) until
Sabae this year.

As for the Pre-Olympic, USA Today reported that the top nine nations
from the world Championships were invited to send two athletes for
both the men and the women. As for the US women not having chosen a
delegation for either that or Subway, I suspect it is their current injury
situation. They're probably waiting to see who can go.


Date:    Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:38:00 MDT
From:    ***@RMII.COM

Luan Peszek, Public Relations Director
Ramonna Robinson, Public Relations Coordinator

USA Gymnastics, the national governing body for the sport in the United
States, produced a new book entitled, "Athlete's Cookbook," published by
Masters Press.

The editor of the book is 1984 Olympic Silver Medalist Michelle
Dusserre, who is now a Registered Dietitian.

The book covers topics such as nutrition basics, building a pyramid to
nutrition success, road trip nutrition and eating disorders. In
addition, recipes from current and former U.S. National Team members are

Dusserre said, "I hope that athletes who read the 'Athlete's Cookbook'
learn that nutrition is essential for optimum performance. Whether they
are a recreational or elite athlete, nutrition is important." She added,
"I hope they also learn that nutrition can be fun."

Athletes who contributed recipes to the book include 1984 Olympic Gold
Medalists Mary Lou Retton, Bart Connor, Tim Daggett and Peter Vidmar;
1993 and 1994 World Champion Shannon Miller; 1991 World Champion Kim
Zmeskal; and Olympic Gold Medalists Vladimir Artemov and Valeri Liukin.
These are just a few of the athletes who contributed to the "Athlete's

Recipes include breakfast dishes, side dishes, pastas, pizzas, meat and
poultry dishes and desserts. After each recipe there is an analysis that
lists the calories, grams of protein, grams of carbohydrates, grams of
fat, fiber, sodium, percent of calories from protein, percent of
calories from carbohydrates, percent of calories from fat, and a special
note on nutrition.

The book sells through the USA Gymnastics merchandise department, as
well as bookstores around the country, for $14.95.

# # #


Date:    Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:10:40 -0600
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Too much Gymn mail?

The digest option is becoming increasingly popular with many Gymners.
As most of you realize, Gymn is getting more mail now than ever. If
you find that the 20+ messages a day is too much to handle, I
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To switch to digest:

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        Leave the subject blank

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Also, I noticed that some of you are subbed twice to Gymn.  If this is
intentional, that's fine, but if this is a mistake, please let me
know.  I've gotten a few complaints about double msgs which have all
been successfully traced back to a double subscription.



Date:    Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:44:49 -0400
From:    ***@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU
Subject: Re: Roza Galiyeva

No it was definitely not Kotchetkova, although she was probably there
too.  I know what Kotchetckova looks like and that wasan't her.  Any
other guesses?


Date:    Thu, 26 Oct 1995 13:08:41 EDT
Subject: introduction

As I'm a new subscriber I'll offer a brief introduction:

I'm Laura, from New York.  I'm a senior in college now but was a USGF
gymnast for 12 years, ending on Level 9.  I have been an AVID gym fan
since around '85 and I still follow the national/international scene
very closely, so hopefully I can add lots of trivia questions (I'm good
with people and especially technical details). When I graduate I plan to
get seriously into judging, but the USGF has been slow to respond to
info requests.

I look forward to contributing --



Date:    Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:47:00 PDT
From:    ***@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Hmmm

At the 1995 Worlds, The American girls were 2nd after compulsories and
then fell to 3rd... (well 4th in all truth)

The US Men were 3rd after compulsories and then plummeted to 9th...

Hmm.. How long do you think until the USGF tries to bring back
the compulsories back from the dead?


Date:    Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:10:27 -0500
Subject: IN high school gymn

Thought some of you might be interested...
December 16, 1995-- @ Leo High School;  Christmas Invitational
I am not sure what teams will be there.  I can let the interested
people know.


Date:    Thu, 26 Oct 1995 18:51:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Eating disorders...  my 2 cents...

Steve says:

>One of the first lessons that one learns in a beginning statistics class is
>that just because there happens to be a relationship between two variables, it
>does not necessarily follow that there is a cause/effect relationship between

Right.  Correlation does not imply causation.  But since we can't do a true
experiment with random assignment of girls into two groups, gymnastics and
control, correlational analysis is the best we can do.

>For example, There is a .95+ relationship between committing a crime
>and having drank milk as a child.  Therefore, should one conclude that
>drinking milk leads to a life of crime?  Of course not!  What is not taken
>into account is that of those that don't commit crimes there is also a .95+
>correlation with drinking milk as a child.

You're making my point for me here.  By your own logic here, we can't
simply assume that a correlation between doing competitive gymnastics and
having eating disorders implies any _real_ relationship at all.  So we have
to look to see whether the same correlation exists between _not_ doing
competitive gymnastics and having eating disorders.  If it doesn't (and I
suspect everyone here is willing to concede that it doesn't) then we have a
meaningful relationship, thought we have not established causality.
>O.K., what does this have to do with Gymnastics and eating disorders.  Well,
>ATHLETE TRIAD, preliminary Report, that "Gymnasts, especially elite level
>gymnasts, tend to have personality traits including striving for perfection,
>obsessive behavior and attention to detail..".  These variables all correlate
>to adolescents who tend to have disordered eating problems.  Unfortunately, it
>does not include the correlation itself.
>So what can we glean from the above?  Well, if 1) a certain behavior or
>personality trait is associated with eating disorders in the normal adolescent
>population, and 2) gymnasts tend to attract those from the normal adolescent
>population to the sport, then 3) there should be no wonder if there is a high
>level of eating disorders in those who engage in the sport.  The fact that it
>might be higher than the normal population is probably due to the fact that
>gymnastics is self-selecting, that is, in order to do well, one needs the
>attention to detail, the striving for perfection, etc.  I would expect that
>any sport that requires these traits will attract individuals who would be at
>risk for an eating disorder (for example, figure skating and ballet).

Hmmm.  Since we can't ethically do a true experiment, the next best thing
might be to compare rates of eating disorders in sports that require
attention to detail, striving for perfection, obsessive behavior, _and
extreme thinness_ with sports that require the first three but not the
last.  I nominate running.  (I was going to nominate power lifting which I
actually think is a better comparison, but I thought some of you would find
it unfair).  Does anyone out there have access to information on rates of
eating disorders among runners?  Power lifters? Swimmers?

Steve, if those rates were significantly lower, would it change your


Date:    Thu, 26 Oct 1995 21:01:07 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Roza Galiyeva

>In the ABC coverage we were shown
> Fabrichnova and another 15yr old who medaled on floor

Natasha Bobrova?



Date:    Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:22:00 -0500
From:    ***@A2.ABC.NET.AU
Subject: Re: 93 Russian women, Pre-Olympics

    About the Pre-Olympic -

    > As for the Pre-Olympic, USA Today reported that the top nine
    > nations from the world Championships were invited to send two
    > athletes for both the men and the women.

    I am wondering why only the top nine nations have been invited, when
    twelve teams get to send full teams to Atlanta. And anyway, a
    competition of 18 would have uneven groups if they compete all 4
    apparatus together (for the women anyway). Surely a competition of 24
    with 2 from each of the top twelve would be more logical, and fairer
    to all competing at Atlanta?

    I guess there are funding considerations to consider, but I bet that
    the federations of countries in 10th, 11th and 12th would be willing
    to fund their teams to participate in such an important competition.

    Of course my concern has nothing at all to do with the fact that
    Australia placed 12th at Worlds. ;)



Date:    Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:34:19 -0400
Subject: Russian girl at '93 Worlds

     The Russian girl who medaled on floor at '93 worlds is Natalia Bobrova.
She was out of competition for a while with injuries, but was back on the
Russian team in Sabae.
     Kochetkova was not at the 1993 Worlds; I think Brisbane was her Worlds
debut. Roza Galiyeva, however, was in Birmingham, competing for Uzbekistan.
This was the time when she was sporting short, blonde hair and training with
Dmitry Bilozerchev's TESS organization (which lasted for a year and then lost
its funding).
     I hope this clears everything up!



Date:    Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:40:36 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Trivia Questions Needed:  1988 Olympics

Hey gang!

Time for trivia.  I need questions for a trivia quiz on the 1988 Olympic
Games.  This will be a special trivia quiz, but I can't tell you why yet.

Send in those questions ASAP!!! (to me by private e-mail, please)


End of GYMN-L Digest - 25 Oct 1995 to 26 Oct 1995