GYMN-L Digest - 25 Apr 1996 - Special issue

There are 24 messages totalling 607 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  2. IG and NBC Web Page
  3. training for young gymnasts cial issue
  4. Intro (2)
  5. Re-introduction
  6. Moceanu
  7. training for young gymnasts
  8. Time and money spent
  9. Oz Gym Alert!!!!
 10. Gymn repeats on SportsChannel
 11. GYMN-L Digest - 24 Apr 1996 to 25 Apr 1996
 12. Job listing
 13. Ignacio Morales
 14. Gymnastics Camp
 15. introduction
 16. Introductions
 17. how do I...?
 18. Re-Introduction
 19. Diaz at Worlds?
 20. Vitaly Scherbo's wife
 22. NCAA Womens, Session 1
 23. NCAA Results (Womens session 1)


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:50:29 -0300

Hi Everyone,

My name is Wanda.  I am one of the old people.  When I did gymnastics, many
years ago, there was no floor, just mats in corners and we had  a wooden beam.
This really ages me.
I have stayed involved in gymnastics and now have a son,(12) who trains at the
National level. ( Canadian - Tyro National)
I have coached pre-school special needs children (my babies), judged men's
gymnastics, been treasurer of a local club, and now, I am on the Provincial
Gymnastics Association as Membership Co-ordinator.
I will be attending the Canadian Nationals this year as Manager, but my son will
not, his hand and finger is splinted as a result of a fall. (Back tuck to a face
plant does it every time) Why is always the simple skills that causes the
Anyway, I enjoy this forum and I hope to meet some members at Nationals this



Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 06:26:16 CST
Subject: IG and NBC Web Page

     The NBC gymnastics web page, maintained by Internation Gymnast
     Magazine has already been loaded. The address is:

     When you get there, go to 'Sports on the Olympic Program', clock on
     the down on the selection field, select 'gymnastics' and click on the
     <go to> button.

     I think it's great that we have that kind of information, even if it
     might be basic information, it will allow many to understand the sport
     a little better.

     Also, it might send a message to NBC, and other television stations,
     if many people access their gymnastics web page.



Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:08:58 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: training for young gymnasts cial issue


No... those lights don't stay on and the gym owner doesn't own a business to
not make money - a lot of money.  Take your child into a gym, and see for
yourself.  It's not a bad thing... just something that is quite a trend in
the sport today.

The reason the "team" has to fund raise is the gym doesn't want to dip into
that profit margin.

Coaches don't GIVE anyone an opportunity.



Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:09:01 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Intro


My name is Mike, I am 27.  I competed HS and College gymnastics as
well as judged.  My best events were Rings, PBars and High Bar.  I love to
watch gymnastics on TV and am still looking for a gym to go work out at...
but I'm a bit heavy (196).  I am a technical recruiter now, and my little
Hannah is carrying the torch for the family now.

My favorite gymnast is Paul O'neil... for he is the MAN on Rings.



Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:46:38 GMT
From:    ***@M4-ARTS.BHAM.AC.UK
Subject: Re-introduction

As we're on this topic, I thought I'd just say hello again and
briefly explain who I am and what I'm doing here.

My name's Bex, I'm a second year German Studies student at the
University of Birmingham, England.  At 7/8 years old I was doing 13
hours' training a week, which got boring after a year or so, and
since then I've almost always done some kind of recreational gym.  I
have a Class 5 women's artistic coaching qualification, but not much
opportunity to use it at the moment.  I train here at the uni when I
get round to it - we have a great new facility, but these days I'm
feeling old and out-of-shape, so training is kind of depressing! I
love to watch (especially the women's artistic) but we don't get a
lot of TV coverage over here .. I'm looking forward to the women's
Europeans which take place in this very city next month!

I joined the list because I enjoy reading such a wide variety of
views; I especially like the posts from less well-represented places
(on Gymn, I mean) like Australia.

Finally, a request: I'm going to spend next year studying in Germany
and would love to be able to carry on training, and possibly helping
out with rec classes, if possible.  Does anyone (German or not) know
of any gyms in the Augsburg area where I could get in touch? You can
mail me privately in English or German.



Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:33:29 -0500
From:    ***@CARLETON.EDU
Subject: Moceanu

Does anyone know or think Moceanu will try for two olympics at this


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:41:18 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: training for young gymnasts

In a message dated 96-04-23 06:04:31 EDT, you write:

>My question is regarding training hours. My daughter is 6 and is doing
>gymnastics for 2 years now. She is training 10 hours a week during winter
>and 12 during summer. I will like to know from other parents and coaches
>what is the trend for that age. How many hours of training in other clubs?
>Thank you,

I have found that the more prominate gyms with a strong competitive area are
more likely to spend more time in the gym practicing than an area where the
competition is not as strong.  What I mean is the area where there is a less
likely chance of producing an olympic contender and the hours that your
daughter practiceseach week depends on the level she is at.  Around the
Chicago area they practice a lot more than we do in our gym in the Peoria IL
area.  My daughter (11) is a Level 6 right now and practices 10 hours a week
which is the same for her teammate who is age 8-9 her birthday came in the
middle of comp. season.
Visit some of the other local gyms in your area and find out their hours.
 You might be suprised at the different requirements.

Yours in Gymn


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:41:24 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Time and money spent

>In regards to Mike Mayzaks post regarding the "sickening" approach of
>team coaches who are just after the revenue of extra training hours

I have to dissagree also to Mike's post.  I have always checked the practice
time required and the amount per month of the lessons for hours spent in the
gym.  There has not been one place yet who could beat our prices.  Around
Chicago,  the parents are spending $100 more than we are for the same amount
of time.  I think it has a lot to do with the cost of living in that area,
for 10 hours per week all we pay is $65.  I also have found in many areas,
the gymnast has to pay for her coaches' registration for meets.  Again we do
not have to.  One more thing I would also like to say,  We have a fundraiser
once a year to help cover the cost of new equipment and we do not have a
booster club to help with gym costs.  I guess that's why we have over 500
students in our gym and some of the other gyms in our area went belly-up.


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:41:25 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Intro

Hello everyone,

I have posted a few times but also don't think I have formally introduced
myself. My name is Becky and I am a mother of two girls.  I am from arround
the Peoria,IL area and we attend the Gym Corner in Washington, IL.  I was a
gymnast as a small girl but never made it to a competitive level.  Now I am
just enjoying watching my girls achieve their dreams. And before anyone
starts, I do not push them.  They always have a choice of continueing or
trying something different.  I don't work anywere fancy Mostly a stay at home
mom.  But I do help each day at my daughters school as a supervisor.  We
enjoy going to the different meets especially the ones in Chicago so the
girls can stay in a motel.  They like the indoor pool!  We love to watch
gymnastics on TV when it's aired and also enjoy watching figure skating. I
have the VCR warmed up to tape the olympics because I fear we may be in the
gym when it's on.  Not much else exciting in this life
So....who's next?


Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 01:43:16 +1000
From:    ***@JCU.EDU.AU
Subject: Oz Gym Alert!!!!

SBS will be screening the World Gymnastics Champs from Puerto Rico on
Thursday the 30th of April at 7pm-8pm.(QLD time)

Yes Oz gymers we actually get an hour of gym, dont ya just feel so
envious of all the gym the US folks get on their screens. Makes ya want
to cry:(

At least we should get to see most of the medal winners.


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:48:00 EDT
From:    ***@BBN.COM
Subject: Gymn repeats on SportsChannel

My TV Guide shows repeats in the coming week for both the Peachtree Classic
and the Reno Team Challenge on SportsChannel.

The SportsChannels are regional, so check your local listings.



Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:01:30 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 24 Apr 1996 to 25 Apr 1996

>please can someone explain to me what a healy looks like on women's bars?

As a mens' coach I can only relate what it looks like on HB. Starting from a
handstand in undergrip, you fall forwards and release one hand, you then
execute a full turn around the arm that is still on the bar and recatch the
other hand in an undergrip again. The hand that stays on the bar finishes in
elgrip. I hope that helps.



Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:01:35 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Job listing

Rainbow Gymnastics in Ocala, Florida is looking for an experienced
enthusiastic girls coach. Must be able to coach modified optionals. Will be
required to teach preschool and recreational along with team coaching
responsibilities. Salary comensurate with experience. Interested parties
please return this e-mail for phone number to call.



Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 03:09:01 +1000
From:    ***@OZEMAIL.COM.AU
Subject: Ignacio Morales

I would like to contact Bolivian gymnast Ignacio Morales.  The last I heard
is he was at the University of Washington.  If anyone can help could they
please contact me at


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:16:30 -0400
Subject: Gymnastics Camp

To those of you interested in gymnastics camps for this summer, a company
called WomenSport has a listing of girls camps.  They can be found on the
web at  Just follow the links for either
summer camps or gymnastics.

I can highly reccomend the UMass Girls Gymnastics Camp. If you have any
questions about it, feel free to email me directly at

For those of you outside of New England, there are a number of other camps


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:26:45 -0400
From:    ***@WCHAT.ON.CA
Subject: introduction

I liked the idea that Kris had about re-introducing ourselves; so here goes,

My name is Vicki and I am 19 years old.  I am a Provincial level
athlete who still trains and competes.  I live for the sport and I hope to
someday coach elite gymnasts.  Currently I coach the pre-competitive team at
my club and I hope that this is a stepping stone for the future.
I have learned a lot from this list and I am interested in hearing from you
all in the future.


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:25:09 -0400
From:    ***@UNHF.UNH.EDU
Subject: Re: Introductions

My turn...
I am the parent of a Level 5 competitive gymnast at a gym in Portsmouth, New
Hampshire. I've been a fan of the sport ever since I was a little girl -- I
never imagined that my daughter would one day take it up! <g>
I'm also the co-president of our booster club, which almost killed itself this
year trying to raise money. We just netted $8500 hosting the District 6 Level
10 Regional Champs., so we're feeling much better about the end of the season.
Our top gymnast, Shannon Bowles, is a senior international elite and ranked
15th in the country. She is preparing for the US Classic in mid-May and the
championships in Tennessee in June.
Of our four Level 10's, three made it to the Level 10 National Championships in
Atlanta next weekend -- the only three from New Hampshire! We only have 25
competitors from Level 5-Elite, but they've all had a good season.

I really enjoy this list (I just ignore the flaming) and look forward to asking
questions of all the experts out there and getting meet results such as worlds
and Olympics (I hope someone will cover the Olympics for those of us who gave
up cable for the sake of our kids! <g>).



Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:13:19 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: how do I...?

>I no longer want the mailings from Gymn digest.  I have quit Rhythmic
>gymnastics and I would like nothing more to do with it.  how do I
>this sevice?

Okay, since a lot of people have posted to the list asking how to quit
GYMN-L, here's the address to send commands to:
>All commands must  be sent  to the
                                                 Dawn :)


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:09:12 CDT
Subject: Re-Introduction

Hey everybody!

    Once again, my name is Olin.  I am 19 years old, and a sophomore at
the University of Missouri at Columbia.  I am a Secondary English Eduaction
major, probably eventually going into educational counseling.  I was a tumbler
since age 11, moved on to cheerleading at age 14, cheered for Mizzou for one
year, moved on to better and brighter things, but still retained my love for
all gymnastics in general.  I recently had the opportunity to start tumbling
again, due to a job my friend acquired at a local gym, and I've been having a
blast.  I'm slowly getting things back, and my friend's been teaching me stuff
on the apparatus, as well.  Last time he showed me how to do a kip on high bar.
It was humorous, let me tell you. :)  Anyway, that's me.  Oh, I'm a big fan
of Mizzou gymnastics, and my favorite gymnast is Amanda Borden.  Okay, who's



Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:17:19 CDT
Subject: Diaz at Worlds?

I remember hearing a lot of hype regarding the possibility of Eileen Diaz of
Puerto Rico/ Cypress winning a medal before a home crowd on bars at worlds.
However, her name failed to apper in the standings.  Was she injured?  Did she
not score in the top group during prelims?  And what's her Olympic status?  Is
she in or out?  Any info would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks!



Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 23:20:56 +0200
From:    ***@PI.NET
Subject: Vitaly Scherbo's wife

Sorry if this question has been asked earlier, or if it allready
has been in the Gymn Forum.

A friend of mine asked me what has happend with the wife
of Vitaly Scherbo. She heard that she had a car accident, and
she wants to know how things are now with Vitaly's wife.
Does anyone know about the it? You can aswer me privatly.



Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:39:20 CDT
From:    ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU

Sorry but this is brief.  Have to get back to Coliseum.

Session 1 Results:
Announced scores:
1.  Georgia  196.40
2.  UCLA   195.30
3.  Michigan  193.975
4.  Nebraska  193.950

Brief Highlights:
Despite having numerous falls, Michigan nailed their last rotation on
vault to move past Nebraska.
Leah Brown scores a 10.0 on vault but falls on floor.
Lori Stong falls on bars.
Karin Lichey competed on beam and scored a 9.875.
Leslie Angeles stumbled out of bounds on floor for a 9.70.

Stella Umeh scored a 9.825 on beam.
Few problems on vault.
Good all-around effort by this team.

2 falls on floor, Kabnick & Burke.
2 falls on beam, Amalcovich & McDonald.
2 falls on bars, Amalcovich & Peters(hands down on dismount)
Counted 1 fall on these three events.

Solid all-around performances.
Counted no falls on beam in last rotation but not enough to advance.
***************ROLL TIDE ROLL***************


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:53:39 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM>]
Subject: NCAA Womens, Session 1

To All:

I'm writing to you from the pressroom of the 1996 NCAA Women's Gymnastics
National Championships. Here are the results from the first rotation:

Georgia:  196.400
UCLA:  195.300
Michigan: 193.975
Nebraska: 193.950
Penn State: 192.700
BYU:  192.500

Georgia, UCLA and Michigan will advance to the Super Six tomorrow (Friday). I
will have the results from the evening session after it ends tonight.

There was a big controversy in the final rotation. Jess Swift of Nebraska
went overtime on beam but claimed she couldn't hear the warning "yell" (there
was no bell, so the judge yelled time). She was deducted anyhow. Keep in mind
that Nebraska was leading Michigan by 1.50 points going into the final

But Michigan nailed vault in the final rotation, and that propelled them over
Nebraska, which was on beam in the final rotation. Nebraska was the crowd
favorite to place, by the way.

All teams, every one, looked flat.

That was reflected in the coaches comments afterward:

Georgia Head Coach Suzanne Yoculan: "Everybody competed but there were few
Georgia's Lori Strong: "We approached this meet as a little bit of a warm-up
for tomorrow."

UCLA's Stellah Umeh: We enjoyed the competition today instead of making it a
stressful time."

Michigan Coach Bev Plocki: "We had a rough day at the office. I'm just
thankful we were able to squeek in. ...My heart goes out to Nebraska."

Michigan's Wendy Marshall: "Tomorrow, you get to see what Michigan really

The top all-arounders from this session were:

Wendy Marshall, Michigan, 39.350
Kristen Quackenbush, West Virginia, 39.175
Lisa Simes, Michigan, 39.050

Special note: Lori Strong fell on bars and Leah Brown fell on floor. Stellah
Umeh also fell on floor, as did Leslie Angelies.

That's it for now. I'll write about tonight's session after it ends around 11
p.m. or so.

-- Ronald


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:38:58 -0700
Subject: NCAA Results (Womens session 1)

Sorry if this is a rerun, but here are the results:

NCAA Championships (W) First Session

1. Georgia     196.400  49.400  49.175  49.025  48.800
2. UCLA        195.300  48.875  48.825  48.925  48.675
3. Michigan    193.975  49.475  48.125  48.125  48.250
4. Nebraska    193.950  48.650  48.950  47.900  48.450
5. Penn State  192.700  48.250  48.425  47.800  48.225
6. BYU         192.500  48.125  47.950  47.725  48.700

1. Wendy Marshall       Michigan  39.350   9.925  9.700  9.825  9.900
2. Kristen Quackenbush  WVU       39.175   9.950  9.725  9.650  9.850
3. Lisa Simes           Michigan  39.050   9.900  9.775  9.625  9.750
4. Lori Strong          Georgia   39.025   9.875  9.375  9.900  9.875
5. Leah Brown           Georgia   39.000  10.000  9.825  9.825  9.350
6. Leslie Angeles       Georiga   38.950   9.800  9.850  9.700  9.600

1. Brown        Georgia  10.000
2. Arnold       Georgia   9.975
3t Peters       Michigan  9.950
3t Quackenbush  WVU       9.950
5. Marshall     Michigan  9.925
6. Simes        Michigan  9.900

1. Beathard   Georgia   9.925
2. Umeh       UCLA      9.900
3. Homma      UCLA      9.875
4t Angeles    Georgia   9.850
4t DeHaan     Nebraska  9.850
6t Brown      Georgia   9.850
6t Muhleman   Georgia   9.850
6t Leopoldus  Penn St.  9.850

1. Strong        Georgia  9.900
2. Lichey        Georgia  9.875
3t Chee          UCLA     9.850
3t Portocarrero  UCLA     9.850
3t Umeh          UCLA     9.850
6t Brown         Georgia  9.825
6t Marshall      Georgia  9.825

1. Marshall     Michigan  9.900
2. Strong       Georgia   9.875
3. Quackenbush  WVU       9.850
4t Crandall     BYU       9.825
4t Homma        UCLA      9.825
6t Anderson     BYU       9.800
6t Arnold       Georgia   9.800


End of GYMN-L Digest - 25 Apr 1996 - Special issue