GYMN-L Digest - 24 Apr 1996 - Special issue

There are 24 messages totalling 603 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. training for young gymnasts
  2. NCAA (W) Championships televised
  3. olympics
  4. Gymn Troubles Suggestion (4)
  5. WWW: Olympic Preview (was Re: Olympics)
  6. Series Requirements
  7. Olympic Trials & Olympics tickets
  8. Re-introducing myself...
  9. GYMN-L Digest - 23 Apr 1996 to 24 Apr 1996 - Special issue
 11. Posting of NCAA Champ Results(W)
 12. Hi Again!!!!
 13. Re-Intro, Judging in NJ
 14. Worlds and Olympic All-Around (women)
 15. Kim Guang Suk
 16. Re-Intro?
 17. Another Introduction
 18. Jen predictions.
 19. Summer Programs in Ontario - Seneca College
 20. another introduction
 21. Intro


Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:11:19 -0400
Subject: Re: training for young gymnasts

In regards to Mike Mayzaks post regarding the "sickening" approach of
team coaches who are just after the revenue of extra training hours from
your young kids, it should be noted that, from what I've seen, that
competitive programs very rarely make money and often are supported by
the recreational program and fund raising.  Competitive teams have a
lower per hour rate than recreation.  You know, perhaps it's just a
matter of the coach seeing potential in you your child to be a
competitive athlete and they're offering you the opportunity.  Maybe,
it's not as self-centered an approach as you would like to think.



Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:24:34 -0400
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: NCAA (W) Championships televised

hi all-

CBS is televising the NCAA (W) championships,

May 4th

only an hour, but at least they are televising it.


Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:27:30 -0400
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: olympics

I don't know if anyone has posted this before, but i was looking at the
NBC Homepage and they have olympic hopeful diaries of Dominique Dawes and
John Macready

the url is:


Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:44:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Gymn Troubles Suggestion

Hello again,
                         Been awhile since I've posted to the list. But since
         Kris has started the ball rolling with short intro's I'll jump in.

         My name is Gene Leone. By day I'm a PC network administrator for a
         software company in Research Triangle Park in North Carolina. During
         the evenings and increasingly on weekends, my wife and I own and
         operate a small gymnastics and dance business in Wake Forest, which
         caters primarily to recreational students. I've been a member of the
         gymn-list for about a year and a half, and while I don't post all that
         often I do read everything. I do appreciate all the info that gets
         sent out. The flame wars and fluff I usually ignore.

         Oh, and Kris thinks she is old, ...well lets just say that when I
         competed spring floors were rare and uneven bars only adjusted up
         and down! :)



Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:25:56 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: WWW: Olympic Preview (was Re: Olympics)

Since someone brought up the NBC Olympic web page
( I just thought I'd add that _International
GYMNAST_ magazine has written Olympic previews (both for the US and the int'l
scene) for the site. Written as a more basic overview than what is usually
published in the magazine, it's stuff the average "Gymn-er" might already
know but it might be worth a peek anyway. They will be updated (and rhythmic
added) as we get closer to the Games.

Feel free to direct any feedback or comments my way.

Oh and, I don't have web access so I'm not sure if NBC has uploaded the stuff
yet or not (they said they would last week, but you never know about these
things). If not, it should be coming soon.



Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:27:39 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Series Requirements

In Elite, J. O. Age Group and NCAA competition, only 2 acrobatic series are

The rules are as follows:  Of the two acrobatic series that are required, one
must have two saltos.  The other series must have at least one salto.  Three
different saltos must be shown within an acrobatic series.  (An acrobatic
series must consist of three fast flight acrobatic elements, one of which is
a salto.)

Note that these are the Minimum requirements.



Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:33:22 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Olympic Trials & Olympics tickets

Hi there.

I am looking for 2 Olympic Trials tickets.  I am interested in optionals and
finals only.  If anyone has extras, or ordered them and now can't go, please
contact me.

I am also in need of Olympic Women's gymnastics and Opening Ceremonies
tickets (along with everyone else - I'm sure).  Any leads would be very much



Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:32:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Gymn Troubles Suggestion

Says Kris:

> > I came up with a suggestion after reading Rachele's message about the
> > membership of this list being close to a 1000 people now, and the number is
> > growing with the Olympics drawing near.  There are a few dedicated posters
> > who regularly start discussions, post results, give advice, etc., but where
> > are the rest of us?  Maybe we could each take a post and introduce ourselves
> > once again to the group.

I like this idea!  I'll join in.  I'm Ilene.  I competed Class I
(back when there was such a thing) until 1981.  I've also coached
all levels from recreational to L9.  However, I'm currently
nothing more than a spectator and a fan (and a graduate student
which takes up most of my time).

I have, at times, posted some critical things about gymnastics.
Perhaps this would be a good place to say that I have seen great
coaching which takes gymnasts' health into account.  Under those
conditions I think gymnastics is an exciting and wonderful sport.
However, I have seen (and experienced) coaching styles that make
Joan Ryan's examples look positively ordinary.  I don't see any
way to love gymnastics, want it to be good for athletes, and not
comment on the bad things that occasionally happen.

Who's next?



Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:53:04 -0500
Subject: Re-introducing myself...

I'm 18 years old, a freshman at Purdue University.  I was the manager for
my high school's girls gymnastics team in Marion, IN.  I have a license
to judge gymnastics here in Indiana, but I have yet to start judging (no
time).  I would like to be a coach in the future and I plan on going to
the local gym and working on coaching techniques and what to look for
when judging.  This summer, Brandy Johnson will be at the gymnastics camp
that the local gym holds (last year it was Amanda Borden and Mary Lee
Tracy).  I have never done gymnastics myself.  I began to really get into
gymnastics around 1992/1993.  This past year, even though I am away at
school, I still went to my high school team's "big meets" and helped them
out when I was home on breaks.  I really enjoy watching gymnastics and
helping out with it.  I have learned a great deal from this forum.
Unfortunately, much to my dismay, I won't have access to this forum over
the summer...I'm done for this semester on April 30...I'm going to miss
the "expert" opionions and all the other "stuff" that gets posted (boy am
I going to miss out on the "inside information" during the Olympics...but
who knows, maybe I will find a way to get back on the forum over the
summer...Okay, I've rambled on enough...Oh, by the way, Dominique Dawes
is my favorite American Gymnast, Svetlana Khorkina and Mo Huilan are my
favorite foreign gymnasts...

Gymnastically Yours,


Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:02:59 -0400
From:    ***@VIDEOWAY.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 23 Apr 1996 to 24 Apr 1996 - Special issue

At 02:54 96-04-24 -0400, you wrote:

>>My question is regarding training hours. My daughter is 6 and is doing
>>gymnastics for 2 years now. She is training 10 hours a week during winter
>>and 12 during summer. I will like to know from other parents and coaches
>>what is the trend for that age. How many hours of training in other clubs?
>Is your daughter enjoying herself?  Or is your situation one where the club
>has approached you with "your daughter is a natural" in order to get that
>additional revenue  with your daughters training schedule??
>As far as the trend - it's pretty clear... they are alll after the fees, I
>(being an ex-gymnast) took my 4 year old to start her gymnastics classes and
>within the same hour I got the "pitch".  It's a little sickening.... but I
>didn't take the bait... my little girl goes for an hour a week for now - I
>would guess 6 hours a week is enough MWF couple of hours a day - the every
>other day routine gives the little bodies a chance to recover.
Hi Mike,

Thanks for the reply.

Yes my daughter is enjoying herself. If it was just for her she would go to
the gym everyday. I never hear any complaints from her when it's time to get
dress and to go train. And believe me, I'm not the kind of guy who tolerates
whining and complaining. My philosophy is when you start something you do it
100% and you finish it (in that case she would have to finish her session).
If you don't like it then fine with me, we will try something else at the
next session. But right now I am very happy with her attitude. She likes
gymnastics and she works hard.

My question was more oriented in terms of being able to progress in this
sport. Not necessaraly reaching the top levels but at least being able to
perform and have fun doing good routines.

In terms of money, it's not a big issue. In our club (and it's probably the
case in most of the clubs), the participating levels are financing the
competitive levels. So while we are making money with the participating
groups, we are losing money with the competitive groups. Of course, the
total amount of money spend is larger (I have to include the competitions
and the costumes), but the ratio money/hours of training is less.


Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:21:24 -0600

I don't understand why they are holding Juniors and Seniors at the same
time? Any reason?



Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:55:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Gymn Troubles Suggestion

I'll bite too. :)

My name's jennifer, I'm a senior at the University of
Wisconsin-Oshkosh, a journalism major who is graduating in two
weeks. YEAH! Anyhow, now that you know I'm in journalism, please
believe when I say I was disgusted by Oprah's work a few weeks
ago. In any case, I love gymnastics, and have learned alot on this


Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:22:08 CDT
From:    ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject: Posting of NCAA Champ Results(W)

I will be posting the results of the NCAA Championships(W) immediately
following the meet.  I will try and post after the first session,
which includes Georgia and Michigan, but I'm not sure if I will have
time.  Definately all the scores after the last session.
I will probably post the results first, since I know a lot of people will
be anxious to hear, and then a brief summary of what happened later on.
It will be a little tough to follow everyone but I will focus on
the top teams contending; Bama, UGA, Utah, Michigan, Florida,
Practice is today and there are 5 sessions.  I will try to attend most
of them so I'll know about what to expect and who to watch.
Anyhow, good luck to everyone.

***************ROLL TIDE ROLL***************


Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:29:20 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Hi Again!!!!

                        Well, Kris said that we should introduce
ourselves again so here goes....

                        Hi. My name is Laura McMahon. I live in
Delaware, the second smallest state in the US. I am 14 years old and
being on this list w/all of these older people intimadates me at times
although I think I have done a fairly good job of *acting* mature. I
have been doing gymnastics since I was 10 years old. I got started
right after the 92 Olympics because my mom saw me watch Kim Zmeskal and
I was mezmorized. I was on the Level 4 team for a whopping 3 months and
then I quit and went back to classes. All of the girls there were so
young and the teacher was really mean to me and I missed my friends in
my classes.(We are all extremly close) I go 3 times a week for about 2
hours and love every minute of it. If you haven't happened to nootice,
Kim Zmeskal is my favorite gymnast and my idol.

                                Hope that that's good enough....


Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:59:13 -0400
Subject: Re-Intro, Judging in NJ

Hi all,
I've been quiet on the forum for a while so I thought I'd use the recent
trend as a chance to speak up.  My name is Emily and I'm
finishing up my freshman year at Princeton University in NJ. My home is
in Cooperstown, NY (baseball, anyone?) I'm
thinking about majoring in history or political science, but also will be
doing lots of science classes because I want to go to medical school
after graduation.  I have never done gymnastics (unless you count the
year of recreational class when I was 5)  :-)  but I was active in dance
(ballet especially) throughout high school.

So, I'm here in the role of "fan" but would like to add "judge" to my
list of involvement in gymnastics.  Are there any judges or coaches on
the forum from the New Jersey area who might be able to tell me how I
could get involved with judge training?  I'd be really interested in
judging women's gymnastics and help in doing that would be
greatly appreciated.

I will be attending the Nationals in Knoxville and the Olympic Trials in
Boston (and spending the rest of the summer working to fund the
trips...).  Hopefully some of us gymners can meet face to face at those
events :-)



Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 15:02:06 -0500
Subject: Worlds and Olympic All-Around (women)

A few months ago, someone made reference to the fact that in the
last Olympics, the person who won was the 5th oplace finished from
Worlds the year before. So, just for giggles, I'm going to compare the
1991 Worlds placings and the 1995 Worlds placing through seventh place
and then list what places the 1991 competitors occupied at the 1992

1991                             1995
1) Kim Zmeskal (10th)            1) Lilia Podkopayeva
2) Svetlana Boginskaya (5th)     2) Svetlana Khorkina
3) Cristina Bontas (4th)         3) Lavinia Milosovici
4) Betty Okino (12th)            4) Simona Amanar
5) Tatiana Gutsu (1st)           5) Dominique Moceanu
6) Shannon Miller (2nd)          6) Mo Huilan
7) Lavinia Milosovici (3rd)      7) Kerri Strug

So, if this is prophecy (grins) Dominique would win, Mo
would be second and Kerri third. Hey, with the olympics
as much a tossup as it appears to be at the moment, its
as good a theory as any other.


Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 15:51:05 -0500
Subject: Kim Guang Suk

I was wondering what the controversy was pertaining to this gymnast...I
know that they were saying, at the 92 Olympics, that everyone thought she
was younger than the minimum age required to compete...Was she really too
young then?  If so, how old was she really?  Thanx in advance!


Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:31:46 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Gymn Troubles Suggestion

Jenn's lucky, I'm stuck in school for two more years

About the Oprah comment, ditto for me too

Here goes........

20 yrs
Sophomore going onto Junior year
Gannon University in Erie, PA
TV-Radio Communication Arts major
 Two years on the college newspaper
Just a gymnastics fan, favorite gymnast is Shannon Miller

  Sorry, wish I could say more, but my parents go through the roof when the
phone bill goes up!  :-)




Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:58:34 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Re-Intro?

> Maybe we could each take a post and introduce ourselves
>once again to the group.

Well, it sound like a good idea to me.  I don't remember seeing intros for a
lot of people (probably b/c they posted before I joined).  Also, I don't
think I ever posted a real intro, so here goes:
                     I'm 14 (15 in July), and I've been doing gymnastics for
almost two years.  At my gym (The Gymnastics Training Center of Rochester),
I'm in the "Developmental" program, which is sort of Level 5.  What I mean is
that we work on the L5 routines, but don't compete them yet.  The competition
team has people Levels 5-10, but very few L10 girls.  I live in Penfield, NY,
and I'm a freshman in high school.  I competed for the school gymn team this
year- it was a small team, in our rebuilding year, with real *gymnastics*
coaches for the first time since 1992.  I've found the people on GYMN-L  to
be interesting and helpful, so I hope this listserve sticks around for a long
                                         Dawn :)


Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:08:38 -0400
From:    ***@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: Another Introduction

Hi Everyone,

My name is Deb. I am a senior at Indiana University of Pennsylvania. I am a
Religious Studies major. I ave no athletic ability at all, so I come to this
list as a fan of men's and women's artistic gymnastics. I am excited that the
Olympics are coming, but I'll be studying in England this summer, so I'm not
sure about how much of the games I will actually get to see. I have learned a
lot about skills that I had never known before joining this listserv, everyone
seems to know so much! My favorite gymnast is Shannon Miller.

Who's next?


Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:33:45 -0600
Subject: Jen predictions.

Worlds never seems to correlate with the Olympics. The last FEMALE to win worlds
then the NEXT occuring Olympics was Tourischeva in 1972. Retton
didn't compete in Budapest in 1983, Davidova didn't compete in Fort Worth,
Dobre should have walked through Seoul like a breeze, etc. I think that
the big picture should be who will be the new star who is coming on
fast for the Olympics. I would put Marinescu up there on the list, along
with that new Ukrainian girl. But what about the established elite? I
really don't think that it will easy for them to get into the
top five.

Also, I think that one thing is real dangerous with USA gymnastics. MOst of the
stars and medal winners will be out of the picture after the games. Is another
1984 in store for USA gymnastics, when everything came to a halt as the team
rebuilt for the future? Think about it. The top 5 gymnasts (argueably) are
Moceanu, Miller, Strug, Dawes, and Borden (no sepcial order given) All of these
gymnasts will drop out of the international seen after Atlanta. Who will
take there place?



Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:27:54 EST
Subject: Summer Programs in Ontario - Seneca College

This info has just been updated...

For a complete list of 1996 gymnastic programs and camps at Seneca
College in Toronto, Canada, look in

While you're there, be sure to check out the Seneca - North York Sport
Program (SNYSP), a school for the Athletically and Academically Gifted:



Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:18:59 -0400
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: another introduction

Hello all -
even though i have been on for about a year or so, i'll be happy to
reintroduce myself.

I am a month and a half shy of my 22nd birthday, and
i will be a fifth year senior in the fall at the University of Michigan,
double majoring in statistics and women's studies.  Hopefully I can get a
master's in Maternal and Child health in a few years, we'll see.

I was a gymnast for a short time, but it fizzled. Right size, bad knees.
Now I am a dedicated fan - especially of UM women's gymnastics :)

Favorite gymnasts, well it would be a tossup between Onodi, Marlowe,
Strug, and Khorkina.

Not much else to say



Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:39:29 -0400
From:    ***@UDEL.EDU
Subject: Intro

Hello everyone!
I have been reading this list for a couple of months but I've never made
a formal introduction.  My name is Abby, I am a freshman at the
University of Delaware, studying chemical engineering.  I am from
Pennsylvania, and I was in gymnastics for about ten years.  I competed as
a Class 3, and then when it changed as a Level 8.  I quit when I was 15,
but I used my gymnastics skills in cheerleading, and I still love
watching gymnastics on TV.  This list is a really good way for me to keep
in touch with what is going on, since gymnastics never seems to be on
television.  (At least not as much as I would like!)  I really appreciate
all the knowledgable members, and all the coverage of big meets.


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