GYMN-L Digest - 24 Apr 1996

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Topics of the day:

  1. GYMN-L Digest - 23 Apr 1996 to 24 Apr 1996 - Special issue
  2. europeans
  3. Dawes - world beam champ????
  4. Scherbo; If USSR... stats(Long)


Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 03:04:43 -0500
From:    ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 23 Apr 1996 to 24 Apr 1996 - Special issue

Sorry everyone!

I was trying to bounce some junk mail and I posted it to the
list by mistake.

Please ignore my mistake.

a loyal gymn follower



Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:48:25 +0200
From:    ***@DD.CHALMERS.SE
Subject: europeans

I hve seen a couple of questions about the europeans i Copenhagen and I want
to inform that this is the most complete europeeans of all time. It include
junior team, junior individuals, junior app. finals, senior team, senior
individuals and senior finals. I can recommend all to watch the junior
competitions. That will include all newcommers. Ucraine, Russia and Belarus
always have new interesting gymnasts, and ofcourse all other countrys.


Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:44:22 +1000
From:    ***@OZEMAIL.COM.AU
Subject: Dawes - world beam champ????

Dawes world beam champ in '93?  Gary, are you sure about this?  While I
can't believe Milosovici won, Dawes, with her bad leg form (I agree with
Virginia Hirsovescu here), is not the obvious runner up.

How quickly we forget that Li Li of China took a 0.2 deduction for exceeding
the time limit, dropping her score to 9.60.  A 9.80 (without the deduction)
would have put her in 2nd, but I think she was more deserving of the title
that year than anyone (remembering Shannon had a shocker on this event).



Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:42:09 +0300
From:    ***@INFOCOM.KIEV.UA
Subject: Scherbo; If USSR... stats(Long)

I thought I would take a look to see how many medals Scherbo has now from world
and Olympic competitions.  If I am correct, he has *29*. That is amazing, and I
believe *18* are gold (this includes team competition medals).

>In looking at the results from the Event Worlds, it is interesting to see
>the number of nations that achieved medal positions. The total dominance
>of the former U.S.S.R. nations is beginning to show a decline as other
> Half of the medals went to former U.S.S.R. nations. The
>other medals being spread among six nations.
>In the women's competitions,*SNIP*
>A third of the medals went to former
>U.S.S.R. nations, with Romania still proving itself to be a strong force.>

>The number of different nations represented in the finals is also an
>interesting factor. Sixteen in the men's competitions and eleven in the
>women's. It seems that we are definately seeing the end of an era in
>gymnastics domination of former U.S.S.R. nations, and can look forward to
>seeing new styles of gymnasts from other nations.

Since I was already in the archives when I got this post and had been looking at
results from all the past worlds, this seemed a little odd to me. So, I spent
about 20 minutes in a quick (and I am sure *not* 100% accurate evalutation (but
tried, and double checked most of the data)- So please check it out if you
A rough idea of the percentages from World's competions are such, for just the
USSR and now NIRs.
I did not include team medals, which the former USSR has *definately* lost out
on, but AA and Event finals from the worlds are included.
AA and individual event medals for USSR and NIRs (Newly Independent Republics)

YEAR    Gender  number  Percentage of medals
70      m       4/21    19%
        w       8/15    53%

74      m       6/21    21%
        w       12/15   80%     Wow!

78      m       8/21    38%
        w       8/15    53%

79      m       10/21   47%
        w       5/16    31%     *these are the same results as 96
                                *one tie, thus 16 medals
81      m       11/21   52%
        w       6/15    40%

83      m       11/22   50%     *one tie, thus 22 medals
        w       4/15    26%

85      m       8/22    36%     *one tie, thus 22 medals
        w       6/15    40%

87      m       10/22   45%     *one tie, thus 22 medals
        w       6/16    37%     *one tie, thus 16 medals

89      m       9/22    41%     *one tie, thus 22 medals
        w       7/15    47%

91      m       10/21   47%
        w       6/16    37%     *one tie, thus 16 medals

92      m       10/18   55%     * No all around
        w       3/13    23%     * No all around

93      m       9/21    42% *counted Belenki as former member
        w       4/15    26%

94      m       10/22   45%     *one tie, thus 22 medals
        w       7/15    46%

95      m       8/22    36%
        w       6/15    40%

96      m       10/18   55%     *No all around, highest results ever (tied with
        w       4/13    31%     *No all around
                                *one tie, thus 13 medals

If you look at the men's medals at this years individual worlds, you see that
they got the highest percentage ever (tied with 92) so it looks like the break
has done them more good than harm for individual medals (it certainly allows for
more competitors from the former USSR to have a chance at medals). As for the
women, if you look at the early 80's you see fluctuation in their percentages as
well (in that time frame), which were lower than this years individual results.
But I have a feeling that if AA is excluded from the worlds that have AA
calculations included, the percentages will not differ so much from the 96
individual worlds(for women only).

Women's World's results excluding team and AA
Year    medals  percentage
70      6/12    50%

74      10/12   83%     *this is the highest

78      5/12    41%

79      4/12    33%

81      3/12    25%

83      2/12    17%  * Lowest results for individual events

85      4/12    33%

87      5/12    42%

89      4/12    33%

91      4/13    31%     *one tie, thus 13 medals

92      3/13    23%     *one tie, thus 13 medals

93      3/12    25%

94      6/12    50% *this is after the break-up, and the highest results in 20

95      4/12    33%

96      4/13    31%  *same as 91, before the breakup, and higher than 81 and 83.
                        *one tie, thus 13 medals

Total  67/183   36.6%

Percentage of medals before break-up (before 93)
total 50/134    37.4%

*would this percentage be higher if there had not been 2/3 per country rule?

percentage since break-up of team 1993(not ussr)
total  17/49    34.7%

*This is less than 3% difference before the break-up, which is does not
necessarily indicate a trend.

So it looks like the former soviet republics have continued in the tradition of
the USSR in terms of individual medals. The two years of 92 and 93 were the only
two that dip below the other results in recent past, with the exception of 81
83 which were lower.

Remember, these are statistics looking at a particular niche of the medal
results. According to this analasis, there does not indicate a drastic change,

These are only medals from WOLRDS (no olympics included), regardless of color. I
don't know if the percentage of golds has dropped significantly or not... Also,
this excludes team medals, which if included would definately indicate a decline
in total medal--but in order to find out if the team medals could be compared
accurately, you would have to take the top scores of the athletes from the
ussr and add them up to get the team results, then see where these scores stand.
But then to have a fair comparison, one would have to take results from USSR
members and see if their scores had qualified them for event finals---Then, how
many medals would have the republics gotten if they had all been allowed to
compete finals? Whoww, to many what ifs... If someone has the time, feel free to
find out. As for me, I think I think too much.... :)
sorry this was so long


End of GYMN-L Digest - 24 Apr 1996