GYMN-L Digest - 22 Oct 1995 to 23 Oct 1995 - Special
issue
There are 20 messages totalling 503
lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Possible idea for floor music
2. Jennifer
3. Re. Trampoline Safety
4. ROMANIANS, & MEDIA (UK) (2)
5. Hate mail and problems with article
distribution
6. MEDIA (UK)
& Calling all Brits (2)
7.
Gymn logo for you WWW pages
8. Bitz and
pieces
9. Where are they?
(2)
10. Atlanta Pre-Olympics
(Nov 15-16th)
11. Atlanta
Pre-Olympics (Nov 16-17th)
12.
Where are they? (fwd)
13. South Carolina Meets
14. Front tumbling in the past
15. Tennessee Exhibition
16. GymFest at
Carmel, Indiana
17. Whoops,
wrong logos!
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 23:19:35
-0500
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject:
Possible idea for floor music
Date sent: 22-OCT-1995 23:17:13
Someone
mentioned a few weeks back that they wanted Shannon Miller's
floor music identified. I don't know what it is, but it does
bear
a little resemblance, in terms of intensity
and the violins, to the
soundtrack from
"Schindler's list." what I'm wondering is, has anyone
use the Schindler's music for a floor set? I've seen it used
to great
effect by Paul Wylie, in figure skating,
but I think, with someone like
Miller (who seems to have an affinity for
violins) or perhaps Khorkina
or
even Moceanu, Schindler's list would offer some
interesting
possibilties.
There are some easy cuts available.
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 02:08:28
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Jennifer
I hope Jennifer resubscribes,
she sounded nice to me. But maybe
she takes
stuff a little too seriously. Sometimes its fun to flame but it can
also get
really tiresome when there's too much of
it.
Bye
Missy
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 02:18:43
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re. Trampoline Safety
I just want to thank Mr. Christian P and others
for their trampoline
safety posts. I think it is GREAT when expert coaches
log on to give safety
tips (or any kind of
tips). Its hard to disagree with
the warning that the
higher you bounce the harder
you may fall. I dont
bounce as high as my
friend but I am going to cool
it a little and be extra careful when I flip.
I do think that Julie maybe
goes a little too far when she
advises never to
jump on a private tramp at all but just in a gym. To me,
that
is sort of like warning that because swimming can be dangerous (you can
drown), no one should ever swim in a private pool or a lake
but only in an
olympic
aquatics center under the direct supervision of a swimming coach.
That may be the IDEAL way to swim safely,
but who swims like that in real
life? If I was lucky enough to have a friend
who had her own swimming pool
(none of my friends
do, actually) and she asked me over to her house to swim,
I'd say yes in a
heartbeat. So I'm not going to stop
bouncing at my friends
house, because her Backyard
Pro trampoline really kicks ass and I'm having a
blast
on it. But I am going to be more
careful and not try to bounce so
high. So thanks for the warnings. I'm probably not the only one on
this
list who likes to bounce so this safety info
was really a good post.
Bye again
Missy
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Date:
Mon, 23 Oct 1995
01:11:07 GMT
From: ***@ACHILLES.DEMON.CO.UK
Subject:
ROMANIANS, & MEDIA (UK)
The thing that puzzles me about the
Deva/Bucharest divide in the Romanian
squad is why its governing body has allowed - even encouraged
- it to
develop. As someone working in business,
I'm not unfamiliar with the
concept of
"creative tension": i.e. stir a rivalry to drive up standards.
But
if, at the same time, you are decreeing in advance that a set number
of athletes will come from Bucharest and a set number from
Deva, where's
the competition? And, as such a
situation is bound to cause a certain
amount of
bad feeling between the two camps, it strikes me they risk
getting all the "negatives" of the scenario - what
Hunter Thompson
would call the "fear and
loathing" - without taking proper advantage
of
the main positive: two centres of excellence from
which to pick
*objectively and strictly on merit*,
and without individual athletes
being used as
pawns by each side.
I should stress I'm not against the idea of
breaking the Deva monopoly
in principle. Rather
the contrary actually. For all their technical
proficiency,
there is a staidness to the "Deva School" of gymnastics
which causes a certain weariness to enter the viewer each
time the
camera cuts to a Romanian leotard. To use
a rather parochial analogy,
the Romanian team
risks becoming to gymnastics what Arsenal are to
English soccer: solid,
consistent and very, very dull.
On an associated point, am I the only
one to have got the impression
that the Romanians
are trying to establish Amanar as "the one"
for the
Atlanta Olympics: rather as the Soviets established Shushunova before
'88 and Gutsu prior to '92? She's been trotted out at almost
every
European tour event this year, so there's hardly a judge who
can't
have got to know her. Plus she's just the
age to peak in '96.
Milosovici will be a bit
long-in-the-tooth, Marinescu too young &
Gogean is not everyone's cup-of-tea.
Finally, my
thanks to those of you - Mara in a post to the group and
the
others who have mailed me privately - who said it was perfectly
okay for me to post the UK Media review I sent yesterday. It
was the
length of it more than anything else I was
worried about. *Ironically*,
last night - a couple
of hours after I'd posted - one of the channels
I mentioned - NBC Superchannel - showed coverage of the womens
AA
finals from the US Championships at New
Orleans. In the process, it
confirmed two of the
things I'd said about it. One: its sports
coverage
is usually some weeks behind events. Two: its scheduling is
utterly unreliable (undefined "gymnastics" was
listed for a couple of
nights this week, but *not*
last night: I caught the coverage purely
by
chance).
Having seen it, I'd have to agree with what some of you said
at the
time: that it was very slanted to a
"Shannon Miller is finished and
Dominique Moceanu is the future" perspective. It was so
blatant, I
almost expected to see Shannon enter
wrapped in a blanket and
shuffling behind a
Zimmer-frame!
--
Frances
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:46:53
BST
From: ***@ESSEX.AC.UK
Subject:
Re: Hate mail and problems with article distribution
can someone please tell me who won the sabae
world championships as i don't
understand
the mail i've been recieving-
i'm one of the brits who
did not get to
see
the worlds, thanks bbc!!
thank you
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 05:53:11
-0400
From: ***@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU
Subject:
Re: ROMANIANS, & MEDIA (UK)
IMHO, I think this Deva?Bucharest thing has been largely contrived by
the
press.
I don't doubt that Belu fears losing his job
to Stoica or that a
lot
of the team in Atlanta will come from Triumf. But Deva is just too
ingrained into the culture of the sport in Romania to be
gotten rid of.
The only thing I forsee is Belu being out after Atlanta, with Stoica
and
the more promissing
of her pupils setting up shop in Deva....
Monica :)
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:45:00
GMT
From: ***@M4-ARTS.BHAM.AC.UK
Subject:
MEDIA (UK) & Calling all Brits
I just wanted to add my bit to the
fantastic & informative msg
that
Frances mailed about the UK gym coverage (thanks!).
What I
find so hard to come to terms with is that, despite the high
ratings figures when they DO show it, and the fact that a
huge number
of girls and boys go through
"gym" phases in much the same way that
they
go through "ballet" phases, and many of our gym clubs have
waiting lists, they STILL don't do anything about it! I
*did* think
that were our teams more successful as
a whole, more gym would get
shown, but in the
light of the English women's Commonwealth Games team
victory
(shown on BBC2 at the optimum time of 1am, you notice!) I
begin to despair even further .. I'm a student; I can't
afford
satellite and besides, I object to paying
for the load of other junk
that you get when you
subscribe to cable etc. The whole
situation
seems so bizarre, particularly when, as
Frances pointed out, the
terrestrial companies
aren't exactly spoilt for choice these days.
Rowing's hardly a mainstream
sport and that gets more coverage than
gym.
Interesting
that the TV companies seem to think that the only way to
grab
sports-watchers is by a heavy dose of male-dominated sports.
That's not to
say that women don't like watching rugby/cricket/footie
etc, or that all men like those sports, but do you
know what I mean?
Weekend sport programmes seem
to be rather a male preserve.
Yesterday
afternoon I sat down to watch TV
and got to choose between a soap
opera, Italian
football, Division 1 football or rugby league. 'Nuff
said.
I've heard the comments from Aussies about
the lack of Worlds coverage
there and I know that
Stateside they did a fairly comprehensive job,
but
how was it for the rest of you? Is it just this country that's
totally barking?
Off this topic, I'm trying to
compile a list of British gymn-ers. If
you've
not been in contact before, would you mind mailing me? I just
thought it might be useful for things like arranging lifts
to meets.
Despairingly
Bex
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 18:21:05
+0200
From: ***@INFOCOM.KIEV.UA
Subject:
Re: MEDIA (UK) & Calling all Brits
As a former Londonite,
I agree with the description of the television
coverage
being very little there. Even
though my address does not
say that I am in GB, I
am still interested in finding out about what
is
going on there, so thanks for the info!! (Francis)
>I've heard the
comments from Aussies about the lack of Worlds coverage
>there and I know that Stateside they did a fairly
comprehensive job,
>but how was it for the rest
of you? Is it just this country that's
>totally
barking?
Absolutely no tv
coverage out here. I remember
hearing a story
about Misuitin,
during the 92 olympics. Apparently his mother
had never seen him do gymnastics (as he had trained in
the
former USSR), neither on TV or at a local
competition. She
finally saw video tapes of him, after he became the
world
champion in '91. I guess that that was a good indicator
that
there would be little coverage out here. If one has a
satelite however....
Does someone have the Phone # for the
FIG to order those tapes
that Beth mentioned last
week? If not the phone #, the
address
would be great. Thank you in advance.
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:54:20
-0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject:
Gymn logo for you WWW pages
Logos have been
created for Gymners (and others) to use in linking
to
the Gymn WWW pages
(http://rainbow.rmii.com/~rachele/gymnhome.html).
The URL to see the
logos is at:
http://rainbow.rmii.com/~rachele/gymnlogo.html
You may either
copy the logos to your site or reference them at mine.
The logos are also
available via anon ftp to ftp.cac.psu.edu, in the
directoy pub/gymn/WWW-files.
Logos
are available in three sizes: banner (gymnbann.gif), big
(gymnbig.gif) -- recommended, and small (gymnsmll.gif).
Meaningless
bit of nonsense: if you're looking at the logo web page,
and
you scroll quickly through the page, if your computer is fast
enough, the logo looks like it's popping out at you or
shrinking into
oblivion, depending on the
direction you scroll. ;)
I
have been VERY slow in responding to most email lately -- please
forgive. I will catch up ASAP.
Rachele
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:45:00
GMT
From: ***@CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK
Subject:
Bitz and pieces
Hi,
Concerning gym in Wales and Scotland.
Many of the gymnasts from Wales
train in England
but live in Wales so therefore can represent it. For
example
Sonia Lawrence (who was at the Commonwealth) lives in Wales but
trains in Spelthorne,
England. Also I think there are a
couple of gyms
in Wales with good facilities (and
coaches?) which means gymnasts can
fulfill their
potential. As for the Scotland, I
think they may be
lacking the facilities and the
money input. Also remember the population
is
small.
The msg on
the UK media coverage of gym was interesting, for those of us
with out Sky, cable or such like we never see any gym on TV.
This could
be a reason why gym in the UK is without enough money or sponsors.
The
British team at the worlds had to wear the same leotards for both
competitions as the sponsors would not supply another
one!
On the Romania Deva-Bucharest issue when I recently went to
Romania the
gymnasts from both sides were friendly
to each other but the coaches were
not. When they
were supposed to warm up as a team (the gymnasts that is)
they did not. Are there not small conflicts between most
clubs,
Gymnastics is competitive, we all want to be the best, have the
most
gymnasts in the team etc...
I`ii be away now for a week or two, bye for now,
Andrea
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:42:20
-0500
From: ***@CIC.NCHE.EDU
Subject:
Where are they?
Does anyone remember the female gymnast who had only
one arm? She
compete on the elite level several
years ago (I actually only
remember her on
beam). What was her name and where
was she from?
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:45:27
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
Atlanta Pre-Olympics (Nov 15-16th)
I just got word from Rhonda at ACOG
that the press release about the upcoming
Atlanta meet will not be out
until the first week of Nov. Seems it is too
early.
(For example, two Russian gymnasts were named but oneof
them just
got injured.) Soon I will send more
details.
Jeff
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:23:46
-0400
From: ***@PHARM.MED.UPENN.EDU
Subject:
Re: Atlanta Pre-Olympics (Nov 16-17th)
I have the schedule for the
competition of the Atlanta Pre-Olympics:
Delegates arrive Nov.
13th.
Podium training will be on the 14th and 15th. They will have it open from
9 am - 6
pm
Podium training will be on the 16th and 17th (Thurs. & Fri.) from 9 am - 2
pm.
The competition will be
Thurs., Nov. 16th 6pm - 9pm
Women
UB
V
Men
FX
PH
R
Fri.,
Nov. 17th 6pm - 9pm
Women
BB
FX
Men
V
PB
HB
As
it gets closer I should be receiving more information.
Mayland
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:46:14
CDT
From: ***@ADMIN.STEDWARDS.EDU
Subject:
Where are they? (fwd)
>
>
Does anyone remember the female gymnast who had only one arm? She
> compete on the elite level several years ago (I actually
only
> remember her on beam). What was her name and where was she
from?
>
Are you referring to Carol Johnson who competed for Cal
State-Fullerton
in the late 70s?
Cole
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 18:38:00
GMT
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject:
South Carolina Meets
I am wondering how to find out about local and
state gymnastic
meets, especially in South
Carolina? Where could I go or call
to
find this information? Thanks.
Ronstrom@ix.netcom.com
--
Albin
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:54:57
UTC-0700
From: ***@CS.UBC.CA
Subject:
Re: Where are they?
>Does anyone remember the female gymnast who
had only one arm? She
>compete on the elite
level several years ago (I actually only
>remember
her on beam). What was her name and
where was she from?
As Cole Holmes replied, there was a one-armed
gymnast by the name of Carol
Johnston who competed for
Cal State-Fullerton. There
was an episode on the
Wonderful World of Disney about her that was called
"Lefty" (she had a full
left arm but her
right arm ended just past her elbow).
In coverage shown on
that show, they said
that she was from Calgary, Alberta, Canada. She had
to
leave gymnastics due to a knee injury but took up coaching. I don't know
where
she is now or what's she's doing.
As for her competing at the elite
level, I don't know if she did that for
Canada before
going to Cal State-Fullerton or not. Dory, do you know?
Karen
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:26:05
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
Front tumbling in the past
Anyone know about the popularity of front
tumbling prior to the overwhelming
amount of
double backs being done. I mean, prior to the time when gymnasts
couldn't do the double backs due to poor floors, inadequate
training, would
one see front tumbling more
common? Now they've "brought it back", but was
it
ever "here"?
Jeff
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:21:33
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Tennessee Exhibition
For any of you in the area, the Ukrainian team -
including the new World AA
Champion Podkopayeva - is going to be
in the States and performing an
exhibition the 5th
of November. It's going to be in Chatanogga (sp?),
Tennessee at the University of
Tennessee in Chatanogga's McCullen
Gym.
Athletes *scheduled* to take part are ...
Men - Rustam
Sharipov
Alexandr Svetlichnyi
Vladimir
Shamenko
Yuri Yermakov
Oleg Kosyak
Women - Lilya Podkopayeva
Anna Mirgordskaya
Viktoria Karpenko
Viktoria Burban
Lyubov Shermeta
Svetlana Zelepukina
For more information and tickets
contact the Greater Chatanogga Sports
Commitee at
(423) 756-8689.
-
Susan
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:29:41
-0500
From: ***@NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject:
GymFest at Carmel, Indiana
Hi all,
I
called and received info on the GymFest in Carmel,
Indiana from
Paula Hilliker at USA Gymnastics,
317-237-5050.
It is at the Carmel Clay Junior High School on October
26 thru 28
(Thur, Fri, &
Sat). Sunday's (October 29) activity is downtown
Indianapolis
at the RCA Dome @ 12:55am.
$15 dollars gets you in to see the
performances & open practices. There is
also a
clinic sat morning.
For more info (map, direction, and schedule)
contact Paula.
Hope this helps,
John
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:12:32
-0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject:
Whoops, wrong logos!
Sorry folks... I uploaded the wrong logos. (That's what happens when
you use thumbnails.)
The correct ones will be uploaded later tonight
-- check back again tomorrow morning.
Apologies for the inconvenience.
Rachele
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