GYMN-L Digest - 20 Sep 1995 to 21 Sep 1995 - Special issue

There are 15 messages totalling 506 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Meduna/Kinkaid & injuries
  2. <No subject given>
  3. All Africa Games: gymnastics day 2
  4. Nadia Comenici (sp)
  5. Newspaper Articles
  6. Popas
  7. Mary Lee Tracy
  8. cost of nationals trip (2)
  9. Olympic Festival
 10. re : Retton; and a question
 11. Still three per country?
 12. Three per country
 13. Giurca's Killer Gets Sentence Reduced
 14. Rhythmic Worlds - Team (Day Two)


Date:    Wed, 20 Sep 1995 21:32:22 -0600
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Meduna/Kinkaid & injuries

Lisa wrote:
| Don't know about Susie Kinkaid, but Soni Meduna was at Nationals this
| year.  Forget where she placed, but I'm sure it's in the Gymn digests

Meduna was 18th, scoring a 73.55.



Date:    Thu, 21 Sep 1995 10:52:18 BST
From:    ***@CS.BHAM.AC.UK
Subject: <No subject given>

Dory Writes...

>What I am saying is that someone who may have some kind of skeletal problem
>(joint, vertebral, etc.) could be putting themself at great risk for injury or
>longterm disability by training

Ok, so my previous post about muscle tissues wasn't quite relevant to the
above, c'est la vie. The question is though, isn't someone with skeletal
problems probably going to have injury problems in almost any sport, not just
gymnastics? Do you think gymnastics is inherently dangerous, or do you feel
that it is purely the quantity of training aspect which is dangerous?

You kind of answer this with...

>However, it may not be *healthy* for that person to perform intense training.

Although this still only talks about training intensity. So the question still
kind of stands, that is, is gymnastics inherently detrimental to a persons
health, or is it only the intensity that elite gymnasts undergo that make
injuries common? And related to this is the question of body types.

Anyway I've rambled on for long enough



Date:    Thu, 21 Sep 1995 06:52:23 -0600
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: All Africa Games: gymnastics day 2

All Africa Games
Gymnastics Finals on September 20, 1995

Results from Reuters:

     Individual competition:
1. Tanya Steenkamp (South Africa), 34.975 points
2. Ilse Roberts (South Africa), 34.100
3. May Hamdy (Egypt), 33.900
4. Heidi-Marie Oosthuizen (South Africa), 33.600
5. Maha Aly (Egypt), 33.300
6. Gharde Geldenhuys (Namibia), 33.200
7. Karen Jane Angus (Zimbabwe), 32.775
8. Heba Elnagar (Egypt), 32.475

     Individual rythmic:
1. Michelle Cameron (South Africa), 34.050
2. Lina Monir (Egypt), 34.000
3. Andrea Schermoly(South Africa), 32.950
4. Howida Yousef (Egypt), 32.800
5. Marwa Abdelmoneim (Egypt), 32.200
6. Cheryl Phillips (South Africa), 31.850
7. Lauren Falk (Zimbabwe), 30.900
8. Megan Robertson (Zimbabwe), 30.700

     Individual competition:
1. Dewald Laubscher (South Africa), 52.550 points
2. Anton Goloman (South Africa), 52.450
3. Abdelhakim Otmani (Algeria), 51.650
3. Mohammed Otmani (Algeria), 51.650
5. Cristian Brezeanu (South Africa), 51.550
6. Karim Otmani (Algeria), 51.350
7. Khumbulani Moyo (Zimbabwe), 47.200
8. Nobleman Motsa (Swaziland), 47.150

    Doubles: [no, I don't know if this is Sports Acro or not...]
1. Grant Stafford and John Laffnie de Jager (South Africa)
2. Tamer el Sawy and Amro Ghonim (Egypt),
3. Emmanuel Udozorh and Godwin Omuta (Nigeria)
3. Damien Roberts and Louis Vosloo (South Africa)

# # #


Date:    Thu, 21 Sep 1995 09:17:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Nadia Comenici (sp)

Dawn wrote:
>Does anyone know how old Nadia Comenici(sp?) is?  I saw her an a Danskin ad
>in Glamour magazine and she looked ancient!  I thought she was only in her
>30's or 40's.

Nadia Comaneci doesn't look much like she did in 1976.  The Jockey
billboard in Times Square a few years ago didn't do her justice either.

As I recall, she's exactly 3 years and 5 days older than me, which puts her
at 33, going on 34 in November. I'm pretty sure that's right, given that
she was 14 in 1976.

It'll be the TWENTIETH anniversary of the Perfect 10 next year.  Cool, eh?
Wonder if there'll be some kinda celebration...

Hey, when did/are she & Bart get/getting married?  And does anyone else out
there agree that Bart as a child used to look like Macauley Culkin?



Date:    Thu, 21 Sep 1995 11:15:53 -0500
Subject: Newspaper Articles

Date sent:  21-SEP-1995 11:14:42

Thursday's (todays) USA Today published two articles regarding
gymnastics and its current resurrgence in popularity. One deals
with the strength of the US team, the other with eating disorders.
A mention is made of "Little Girl In Pretty Boxes." How bad is this
book, anyhow?


Date:    Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:04:48 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Popas

Lori was correct.  The FIG devalued the Popa (Full Twisting Straddle
Jump)to a "C" value part in June.  The J. O. Committee of USA Gymnastics
followed later this summer with the same rule.  This competitive season all
Popas will be valued  at "C".
Look for the full twisting Schushanova to take its place.  It is element
#S-1.411 in the USA Gymnastics Supplement to the FIG Code.  It is listed as a
 "D" value. The description reads as follows:  Side split jump(180 degrees)
with 1/1 twist in horizontal plane to land in front lying support position.
Dominique Moceanu performs this element at the end of her routine. If you
happen to have a tape of the VISA Challenge you can see it there. Often this
element may not be awarded for a number of of split of the
legs, lack of amplitude of the jump, and failure to show a prone position
before landing.

Someone had mentioned a gymnast named Stephanie who was injured a number of
years ago.  (Sorry I lost that post)  I think maybe you were thinking of
Stephanie Willam.  Stephanie was an elite gymnast at MG  Gymnastics.  It was
found that she had a congenital back problem.  She later took up diving and
was on the diving team at George Washington University.



Date:    Sat, 16 Sep 1995 23:07:04 PDT
From:    ***@LSS.CO.ZA
Subject: Mary Lee Tracy

In one of the issues of IG I read an excellent article about Tracy and her
gymnasts. I agreed with her coaching style and the atmosphere she seemed to
create in the gym with mottos like, "Believe and Succeed", and "Relax, God's
In Charge". IMHO she is one of the best coaches in the world! I wish Borden
was going to World's!


Date:    Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:05:15 -0400
Subject: cost of nationals trip

Hi.  I was wondering if anyone who has gone to previous nationals could
give me an estimate of the cost involved for hotels and tickets.  Are
there ever any deals with hotels for people wanting to go to the
competition (tickets and hotel packages??)?  Are the 1996 Nationals
definitely in Knoxville May 28-June1 (weren't they in TN in 1994 also?)


Date:    Thu, 21 Sep 1995 16:59:49 -0400
From:    ***@STYX.IOS.COM
Subject: Olympic Festival

        I just got my copy of Olympian Magizine and it had an article
that said that there will be no Olympic Festivals until at least 1999.
It said something about not being enough time to prepare for the 1997
Festival, and because the winter Olympics is in 1998 there will be none
then either.  Just thought you'd like to know.



Date:    Thu, 21 Sep 1995 17:06:29 -0400
Subject: Re: cost of nationals trip

> Where did you here that 1996 Nationals will be in Knoxville?
> Shawn
It was on the september copy of the gymn claendar.


Date:    Thu, 21 Sep 1995 17:41:06 -0400
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: re : Retton; and a question

As far as I know, Meduna is still competing as a senior now..she is just
struggling. I don't believe she has the difficulty and polish that the
others have yet.

> Sherwin hit the nail on the head with his comments about Mary Lou.
> She was basically in the right place at the right time, but I still
> don't care for her gymnastics.
> I took a trip down memory lane and was reading some old IGs, and I
> was wondering what happened to Soni Meduna and Susie Kinkaid?  They
> haven't been mentioned in IG for some time, yet from memory I'm sure
>  they were both on the USA Junior time in 1994.
> Simone.


Date:    Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:30:55 +0000
From:    ***@EFN.ORG
Subject: Still three per country?

I was just wondering if the three per country rule will be in effect
for the Worlds in Sabae.  I always think I understand this rule, and
then it seems to change, e.g. weren't four gymnasts per country
allowed to compete in Brisbane, and wasn't it a two per country rule
that kept Kerri Strug out of the Birmingham AA?

Depending on how many AA spaces are open, any bets on which US
gymnasts will occupy those spots?  (Eeeek, does this open an ugly
discussion on coaching politics about which gymnasts will even get a
chance to qualify by being allowed to compete all four events in

Any bets on which international gymnasts will take their teams' top



Date:    Thu, 21 Sep 1995 17:46:53 -0500
Subject: Three per country

Date sent:  21-SEP-1995 17:43:51

I think it will come into play next year, as in who from the
US will qualify, but this year, at worlds, given the injury situation,
I don't think there will be a problem. I see Miller, Moceanu, Strug
and Phelps competing all four events, with Kulikowski doing vault, beam
and floor, Chow doing vault, bars and floor and Thompson doing bars
and beam. Next year, it could get ugly. Do you drop Borden off
vault and thus kill her chance to make all-around finals? Do you drop
Strug off beam?

It could get interesting, very interesting. And, truth be told, Moceanu
is probably the weakest bars performer on the US team to Sabae, but
do you think they would drop her out? Uh-uh. Politics will defintely
play a role, I just hope it doesn't get in the way of the gymnasts.


Date:    Thu, 21 Sep 1995 19:34:52 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Giurca's Killer Gets Sentence Reduced

The following message got bounced earlier

Date: 9/21/95 4:08PM
Subject: Giurca's Killer Gets Sentence Reduced
According to Reuters, a Bucharest appeals court reduced the sentence of
Florin Gheorghe, convicted of manslaughter in the death of Adriana Giurca,
from eight years [considered in itself a travesty by many - including me] to
only six years.  In addition, the court blocked Giurca's parents from suing
Dinamo Bucharest for financial damages.

Some severely edited clips from the article . . .


BUCHAREST, Romania --  . . .

The case had been sent to the Bucharest appeal court when the parents of
Adriana Giurca sought a tougher sentence . . . They wanted to replace a
manslaughter conviction with a murder verdict. . . Romanian law punishes
murder with up to 20 years in jail.

``I'm shocked at that ruling because Gheorghe should have been tried and
sentenced for murdering Adriana,'' the girl's mother Maria Giurca told
Reuters after the ruling.

The court granted Gheorghe's appeal . . . when he admitted to accidentally
killing the girl in November 1993 after she slipped from a balance beam
during training.

``Dinamo knew the trainer was a brutal man, so they are guilty too,'' Giurca
said, adding that she would appeal against Wednesday's ruling.


Date:    Thu, 21 Sep 1995 22:25:37 -0400
From:    ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject: Rhythmic Worlds - Team (Day Two)

Rhythmic World Championships 1995

Vienna, Austria         19-24 September 1995

Day Two - Team Competition (continued)

Final Results:

 1. Russia      78.100
    (Jana Batyrchina, Amina Zaripova and someone else)
 2. Bulgaria    77.600
    (Maria Petrova and Diana Popova)
 3. Ukraine     77.450
    (Ekaterina Serebrianskaya, Elena Vitrichenko and Victoria Stadnik)
 4. Belarus     76.850
    (Larissa Lukianenko and Evgenia Pavlina)
 5. Spain       75.200
    (Almudena Cid Tostado and Alba Caride-Costas)
 6. Germany     74.850
    (Magdalena Brzeska and Kristin Sroka)
 7. Italy       74.800
    (Katia Pietrosanti and Irene Germini)
 8. Romania     74.000
    (Alina Stoica and Dana Carteleanu)

Each team have to perform eight routines, thus they can have two
gymnasts performing four routines each, or three gymnasts sharing
out the allocation of routines.

Most gymnasts had a good day of work as no apparatus was dropped
from the top eight teams listed (from what I've seen).

I am more impressed with Russia's Jana Batyrchina the more I see
her. She's got everything, the speed, the flexibility, the style,
the difficulty, the execution. And she's only 16 years of age.

The highest score of the day went to Bulgaria's Maria Petrova
for her classic ball exercise - 9.90. Although she seemed heavier
than a year ago, she's still got the style and the difficulty
in her routines.

The smallest girl of the meet is I think 15-year-old Tina Tharp
from the USA. Jessica Davis is the other USA representative.

Of the big names. Olga Gontar of Belarus didn't show so I'm
assuming she's injured.

At the end of the TV broadcast by the German channel DSF, they
did an interview with Maria Petrova. The interview was done in
English, Maria's English is pretty good. (I actually think it is
probably better than the English of the German interviewer but his
is not bad either) Here is the transcript:

[DSF: German interviewer for DSF.
 MP:  Maria Petrova]

DSF: "Maria, thank you for coming and thank you for your amazing
      competition, thank you very much. What's the motivation to
      come back after Paris."
MP:  "Because, er, my team need me. I have to... I have to help
      my team."
DSF: "But it was your individual competition now that is great.
      Is there individual satisfaction for you to get 9.9?"
MP:  "For me it's not so important the marks. I need to play good.
      Just to play good for the public to like me, that's all.
      And my coach to be... <smiles>"
DSF: "You think your opponents... is it Serebrianskaya or is it
      maybe the small girl, Jana Batyrchina, for the individual
      competition on Saturday, and for the individual finals on
MP:  "I don't know. They're not two, they're not just two. There's
      Lukianenko also, Serebrianskaya, Batyrchina, there're many
      girls. If someone will play without mistake I think [s]he'll
      be first."
DSF: (begin showing clips of Petrova in action)
     "We see you with the... with the ribbon. That's a perfect
      show I think."
MP:  "Thanks."
DSF: "Look exactly you'll see some mistakes or... yeah? Was it
      hard work during the last year to prepare your comeback
      I think. Hard exercise, hard training..."
MP:  "I think the last year was harder because you are old and
      you are also tired, so... all year you're competing, I
      compete in, I think, eight big competitions. ~It's very
      hard for me."
DSF: "Thank you very much. You have to go to the ceremony now,
      they're preparing for the ceremony. Thank you very much
MP:  "You're welcome."
DSF: " and good luck for the next competiton. Thank you."
MP:  (nods and smiles and leaves)

More action to come in the next few days.



End of GYMN-L Digest - 20 Sep 1995 to 21 Sep 1995 - Special issue