GYMN-L Digest - 19 Oct 1995 to 20 Oct 1995 - Special issue

There are 23 messages totalling 501 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. An Introduction
  2. Boginskaya
  3. Rythymic Worlds
  4. USA Press Release: Death of Luis Lopez
  5. trends
  6. BART CONNOR (3)
  7. Hard Copy (2)
  8. Ekaterina Vandesheva
  9. Oksana Fabrichnova
 10. unknown FX music
 11. Club Gymnastics (fwd)
 12. Moves and Bican
 13. Henrietta Onodi (2)
 14. Bican
 15. Vandysheva
 16. Fabrichnova
 17. Introduction
 18. Bican off of Sabae Team.
 19. other schools with gymnastics clubs


Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 23:06:40 -0400
From:    ***@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: An Introduction

Hi everybody. My name is Deb, and I just subscribed this morning. I really
wasn't aware that I would be recieving so many messages! I'm not a gymnast,
just a fan, and some of the terminology is kinda hard to figure out.... but I
am sure I'll pick it up in no time at all! I am a senior at Indiana University
of Pennsylvania (IUP). I enjoy reading your messages, they are very
informative. One of these days I'll post something.

I do have a question though. I found Gymn on the internet, and I was looking
through old digests, and I can't acess anything from before 93. Maybe it's my
server. Who knows.

Well, that's who I am. Talk to you soon.


Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 23:53:20 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Boginskaya

How did Boginskaya place AA? Did she compete in any EF. Thanks Emily


Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 15:09:29 +1000
From:    ***@COUGAR.VUT.EDU.AU
Subject: Rythymic Worlds

        Just a question to those who know a bit about rythymic
gymnastics.  Do you know what happened to Kasumi Takahashi of Australia
at the Worlds in October ?  Her talent should have taken her into the top
20 or at least to qualify for Atlanta but I didn't see her name in the
final standings.  Any information would be appreciated.

        Corey :)


Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 23:32:25 -0600
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: USA Press Release: Death of Luis Lopez

USA Gymnastics - Indianapolis, IN

Luis Lopez, a 1992 Olympian and former University of New Mexico
gymnast, died of leukemia on October 7 in his hometown of Mexico City.

"He was an outstanding young man and one of the premier gymnasts at
the international level," said University of New Mexico's coach Rusty

Lopez, 26, took fifth all-around and tied for sixth on parallel bars
at the 1990 NCAA Championships.  In 1991 he won the high bar event. He
was the only gymnast to qualify for finals in all six events during
the 1991 Pan American Games. He represented Mexico in the 1992 Olympic

The gymnastics community is saddened by Lopez's death and our
thoughts and wishes go to his friends and family.

# # #


Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 02:05:16 -0400
From:    ***@YALE.EDU
Subject: Re: trends

> will, Huilan's Gaylord be called a Huilan?

Well, actually a Mo, that being her last name, and it already is.



Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:53:36 GMT
Subject: Re: BART CONNOR

>Bart is not a cruel person.  I do, however, think he's angry at the current
>state of US Men's Gymnatics.

I've heard that US men's gymnastics is having a bad time nowadays,
particulary at university competitions.
Why is that?
Are universities cutting down  previligies to students who dedicate some
of their precisious time practcing instead of studing?
I understand that sports should be available and promoted in school but
shouldn't it be continued for ever? I mean in university and after on in
everyones lifes?


Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:57:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Hard Copy

> "More then anything I felt that she was robbed. Christy never had a
> chance to live. The only thing she knew was that gym." said Bo Moreno,
> Christy's fiancee.
> He blames the death on a sport that demands perfect and coaches that
> put medals before people.
> Bo refers to gymnasts as victims.

Wait, wasn't Bo Moreno a wrestler who was also anorexic or bulimic (or both)?
I seem to remeber hearing that somewhere, but they never seem to mention
*that* on these shows that talk about Christy...

(yes, I understand that Christy died and Bo is alive, but still, it's
worth a mention)

Thanks, Mardi and Margi, for posting the write-up.

Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:28:10 -0500
Subject: Ekaterina Vandesheva

Date sent:  20-OCT-1995 09:26:40

Everyone brought up Fabrichnova, and I got reminded of this young lady.
She was supposedly one of the brightest stars for the Russians in 1993,
until she broke her hand right before the 1993 Worlds and then both
arms at the Russian Nationals. Does anyone have any information on her
current whereabouts and whether she is still in the sport?


Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:35:43 EDT
From:    ***@BBN.COM
Subject: Re: Oksana Fabrichnova

I'm looking forward to seeing Fabrichnova again; she reminds me a lot
of Boginskaya, especially on beam--the same elegance and long lines,
and even that same slightly skewed foot placement as Bogie.
I enjoy her bars, too, although I think Khorkina's now my
current bars fave.

Allan writes of Fabrichnova:

>I'm not sure about Worlds but she is scheduled to compete at the 1995
>Subway World Challenge in Hamilton, Ontario on November 12, 1995.

Maybe it's just me, but the weirdest image of gymnasts competing
in one of those huge, ornate Moscow subway stations popped into
my head when I read this :-).  (Will the contestants get free

Responding to her mail too early in the morning,


Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:40:47 -0600
Subject: unknown FX music

Anyone happen to know anything about any of the following songs?
Song title, artist, album, etc.  Even the littlest bit of info or
any suggestions will help.   It was worth a shot posting it to Gymn...

Email me directly if you can help, thanks.


1.  Boginskaya's sax piece at '95 World Pro Meet

2.  Deliana Vodenitcharova (BUL) at '92 Golden Sands Int'l

3.  Irina Deleanu (ROM) ball music at '90 RSG World Cup

4.  The piece they used to highlight UCLA's FXs on '89 Women's
    NCAAs, just before Kim Hamilton's routine.

5.  Olga Chudina (URS) at '87 Moscow News

6.  Silivas's Seoul '88 music is called "Macho Mozart" from the
    album "Bach to the Future" by a group called "Latin Rascals".
    Anyone know where I could find this?  I've looked everywhere.

There are probably several more I've been on the lookout for,
but I guess they've slipped my mind at the moment...


Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:54:14 -0400
From:    ***@ECLIPSE.NET
Subject: Re: BART CONNOR

Mara writes:

>>Throughout ABC's coverage of Sabae, I've noticed that Bart Connnor's
>comments and commentary of certain gymnasts has been quite rude and uncalled
>I have yet to watch the ABC coverage, but I would like to comment that IMHO,
>Bart is not a cruel person.  I do, however, think he's angry at the current
>state of US Men's Gymnatics.

No, I don't find it cruel - and this is not a recent thing either.  Those
of us who had the Triplecast back in gymns earliest days (it's been HOW
LONG???) will recall Bart sharing many such sentiments back in '92 during
some of the roundtable discussions that took place during the gymnastics



Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:01:08 -0600
Subject: Re: BART CONNOR

>I have yet to watch the ABC coverage, but I would like to comment that IMHO,
>Bart is not a cruel person.  I do, however, think he's angry at the current
>state of US Men's Gymnatics.

I just wanted to say that I think she is right that Bart wishes that these
men competiting (the ones he's comentating for) I know he wished that the
USA men were as good as his team in 1984.

I think he is upset about the consistency problem.  Because that is what it
is.  A consistency problem.

If you share different views email me!


Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:28:11 -0400
Subject: Club Gymnastics (fwd)

Anyone have any info?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:50:10 -0500
From: ***
To: ***
Subject: Club Gymnastics

        I am the assistant coach of the University of Wisconsin -Madison,
club gymnastics team.  I was wondering if it is possible to find out about
other collegiate club teams so that we can compete against them and
possible hold an invite.  Because we are not NCAA affiliated we do not have
access to these other schools.  If possible, could you find out what other
collegiate club gymnastics teams are around and what their meet schedule
is.  I greatly appreciate your taking time to read this letter.  This
information is very important to me and the team.  If you know of anything
please let me know.
                                        Thanks again,


Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:17:48 CDT
From:    ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject: Moves and Bican

Thanks for everyone letting me know the Gaylord on Unevens is a Mo.
Was Ana Maria Bican at Worlds?  I don't remember her being there.
You know she was 2nd at the American Cup and she was good too.



Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:09:36 -0700
From:    ***@SEATTLEU.EDU
Subject: Henrietta Onodi

I was just wondering if anyone knows anything about Henrietta Onodi.  I
saw her do a professional competition not long after the 1992 Olympics,
but I haven't heard anything about her since.


Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 15:18:38 -0400
Subject: Bican

     No, Bican was not at Worlds, which I thought was a shame. In general the
Romanians are not my favorite team, but I've always liked Ana Maria. I heard
there was a LOT of politics involved in choosing the World team - the rivalry
between the Deva and Bucharest schools is apparently something fierce...



Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 15:29:55 -0400
Subject: Vandysheva

     Yekaterina's injuries unfortunately forced her to quit gymnastics. :( It
was really a shame, since she was a gorgeous gymnast. I don't know what she's
doing now, but maybe I can ask a Russian team official next time I see one
(pre-Olympics?). It was either Arkayev or the Russian team doctor who told me
(in Dortmund) that she had to retire, so the info is probably (and
unfortunately) reliable.



Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 15:42:56 -0400
Subject: Fabrichnova

     Fabrichnova was not at Worlds, to many people's disappointment. She did
grace the promotional poster though (which thrilled Khorkina's coach Boris
Pilkin!). Oksana has had a sore back for a while now, and that's why it was
decided to leave her at home. Hopefully she'll be fully recovered in time for
the meet in Ontario. I think she also might compete in the pre-Olympics.
     Interestingly, I just read in Sovetsky Sport that Svetlana Khorkina was
nearly kept off the Sabae team because she also had a sore back. Arkayev wanted
to leave her at home, but she REALLY wanted to go and, obviously, won out. :)



Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:38:22 -0400
From:    ***@COLUMBIA.EDU
Subject: Introduction


My name is Rebecca and I subscribed only yesterday.  I was a
competitive gymnast at the high school level in Apple Valley, Minnesota
during the late 1980s and am now in graduate school in NYC.  I'm thrilled
to have a place to discuss gymnastics, since most of my friends here think
I'm a little crazy for following it so enthusiastically.

One quick question-(forgive me if this has already been discussed),
Female Athlete Triad is abreviated to FAT, is this or should this be
a problem?

I'd appreciate any responses.  Thanks in advance,



Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 17:44:54 -0400
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: Hard Copy

Regarding Bo Moreno, I was under the impression that he shared with
Christy about how wrestlers lose weight, telling her exactly how HE did
it...So he is not so innocent either.  And from what psych I have
studied, a lot of past sufferers of anorexia / bulimia can recognize it
in others also more quickly than another.  Not that it is all his fault,
but USA gymnastics is not the only one to blame, and his previous
interviews are proof of that.


Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 17:50:25 -0400
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: Henrietta Onodi

I know she is in the US going to college, but I forgot which one.

> I was just wondering if anyone knows anything about Henrietta Onodi.  I
> saw her do a professional competition not long after the 1992 Olympics,
> but I haven't heard anything about her since.
> Corrie


Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:51:32 -0600
Subject: Bican off of Sabae Team.

This is odd, since I know that she won the bronze on bars at their nationals
recently and she did not go to Worlds. But Gogean, who fell off of BB and
UB at their nationals made it. I guess that there was alot of politicing.
After all, Hatagan finished fourth, but only worked one routine in Sabae.

As for Oksana Fabrishnova, I she finished second on vault at their nationals
but I don't know how she did in the AA.

It seems, at least for Romania, that picking the gymnasts to compete is much
more nasty than what the USA had to do in Barcelona. Rememebr THAT mess?


P.S. If anyone out there has any press information about the upcoming Pre-
Olympics Invitational, would they please EMAIL me privately. My source
at IBm who runs the Web Page avertiszing the meet hasn't responded to me.


Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 17:22:17 -0500
Subject: other schools with gymnastics clubs

Here is info on the Indiana University Gymnastics Club, Bloomington, Indiana

Pres            chrys castillani
Chrys' phone is 812-339-3837

VP              micha davidson
Micha's phone is 812-857-7976

Other schools
Notre Dame/St. Mary's in South Bend
cynthia exconde nd/smc gymnastics club prez

Hope this helps,


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