GYMN-L Digest - 19 Oct 1995 - Special issue

There are 18 messages totalling 540 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. changing gymns
  2. Women's All-Around Events Rankings, Worlds
  3. ?"fish jump"?
  4. World Trials
  5. trends
  6. Hi!
  7. Kelli Hill would appreciate a Chunichi Cup Poster
  8. Hop full on bars.
  9. BART CONNOR (2)
 10. Tanya maiers
 11. posters...?
 12. Simona Amanar (2)
 13. Oksana Fabrichnova (2)
 14. Jennie Thompson
 15. Hard Copy


Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:13:26 -0400
Subject: Re: changing gymns

Does anyone know when and why Marianna left Dynamo?  She has never really
looked happy when I've seen her on TV, but I guess I thought she must
like Dynamo since she was there for so long-guess I was wrong.  Kelli
Hill has always been one of my favorite coaches to watch interacting with
athletes, and I wish Marianna all the best.

*Just another quick note about the world trials- showing the Aerial's
girls (Strug, Thompson, Kulikowski) so happy, and their coach so proud
(plus, the group hug) really ended the coverage on a great note.  The
Forsters seem like excellent coaches, and I hope that Kerri Strug has
finally found the perfect situation.



Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:37:54 -0500
Subject: Women's All-Around Events Rankings, Worlds

Date sent:  19-OCT-1995 13:22:31

Good afternoon. here are the rankings per apparatus from worlds:

1)Amanar, 9.862
2)Huilan, 9.818
3)Podkopayeva, 9.799
4)Chorkina, 9.756
5)Moceanu, 9.737
6)Miller, 9.712
7)Gogean, 9.706
8)Milosovici, 9.662
9)Piskun, 9.656
10)Fei, 9.618
11)Strug, 9.600
12)Grosheva, 9.593
13)Nyeste, 9.531
14)Boulakova, 9.475
   Boginskaya, 9.475
16)Kochetkova, 9.449
17)Martin, 9.418
18)Tsavdaridou, 9.393
19)Chutsovitina, 9.381
20)Juarez, 9.368

1)Chorkina, 9.912
2)Milosovici, 9.862
  Huilan, 9.862
4)Piskun, 9.825
5)Podkopayeva, 9.812
6)Moceanu, 9.800
  Boulakova, 9.800
  Teza, 9.800
9)Yanling, 9.787
  Boginskaya, 9.787
11)Amanar, 9.775
   Kochetkova, 9.787
   Pacheco, 9.787
   Grosheva, 9.787
15)Strug, 9.762
16)Juarez, 9.737
17)Tsavdaridou, 9.725
18)Mirgordskaya, 9.712
19)Begue, 9.700
20)Yurkina, 9.687

1)Yanling, 9.812
2)Podkopayeva, 9.787
3)Chorkina, 9.775
4)Kochetkova, 9.750
5)Milosovici, 9.737
6)Gogean, 9.700
7)Miller, 9.687
  Begue, 9.687
  Teza, 9.687
10)Fei, 9.675
11)Mirgordskaya, 9.650
12)Amanar, 9.637
   Moceanu, 9.637
14)Boulakova, 9.625
15)Strug, 9.612
   Tsavdaridou, 9.612
17)Yurkina, 9.550
18)Boginskaya, 9.387
   Pacheco, 9.387
20)Krausz, 9.350

1)Podkopayeva, 9.850
2)Gogean, 9.837
3)Milosovici, 9.825
4)Chutsovitina, 9.812
5)Piskun, 9.787
6)Amanar, 9.775
  Strug, 9.775
  Juarez, 9.775
9)Huilan, 9.762
10)Yanling, 9.725
11)Moceanu, 9.712
   Kochetkova, 9.712
   Grosheva, 9.712
14)Chorkina, 9.687
   Martin, 9.687
16)Krausz, 9.675
17)Pacheco, 9.662
18)Miller, 9.625
19)Boginskaya, 9.612
   Nysete, 9.612
   Suagawara, 9.612

Well, people, that's all. While I know numbers don't tell the whole story,
I think there are some very interesting things to notice in there.


Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:26:56 -0500
Subject: ?"fish jump"?

In Indiana high school gymnastics, a lot of girls perform that so-called
"fish jump".  I will look it up in the new judges handbook to see what they
call it.  Anyway, around the high school competitors, it is simply called
an inverted pike jump or a tuck jump with one leg extended.  The first name
is used the most.  If it is a "fish jump", how in the world
did they come up with that name.  At least they could do is name it after
something it looks like...
Gymnly Yours,


Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:08:21 -0400
Subject: World Trials

Hi, I know this is a question pertaining to old news, but I was just able
to watch my tape of the world trials last night.  I'm sorry if this has
been addressed before, I don't remember reading about it.  The question:
How did Moceanu's floor routine possibly overscore Miller's?  Both
routines were clean, but Dom did a full in, layout front full punch
front, layout front full, and 2.5 twist.  Miller, on the other hand, did
one of the best floor routines I've seen from her with a whip to full in,
layout double front twist, front 1 1/2 twist, and full-in.  It seems like
each of her passes was a notch above Moceanu's.  I greatly admire
Moceanu's gymnastics, but in this case, I think that Shannon should have
been the one to score the 9.95, and go into the worlds as the #1
American.  Were there any deductions in Shannon's routine that I did not
thanks, Emily


Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:32:06 CDT
From:    ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject: trends

I don't understand about how things are called sometimes.  One of the
commentators referred the hop-full on unevens as a Thomas hop.  In
the women's Code it is a Chusovitina.  I know he did it on high bar
but I don't understand why they refer to it as that.  So, anyway, I
know if you do a skill someone has already done, in another position,
you get it named after you.  Khorkina vault is has been done before,
but tucked.  It's called a Mroz and tucked, it's worth a 9.9.  So,
will, Huilan's Gaylord be called a Huilan?



Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:24:51 -0500
Subject: Hi!

Hi Everybody!  My name is Suzi R and I've been on this listserv for a
few weeks now.  Since I had a few minutes I thought I'd introduce myself.  I'm
a junior at Northwestern University in Evanston, IL (I'm actually from
Pittsburgh, PA) majoring in Biology.  I'm not pre-med and don't know what I'm
going to do!  I'm 20 years old and was in gymnastics for 9 years (grades 2-10).
I competed for 4 years (1 year class IV, I year class III, and 2 years level 8).
I wasn't a very good level 8 but I did okay.  I've been out of gymnastics for
about 4 years now and was going to begin teaching at a community center but I
just haven't had time for it, maybe next quarter.  Anyways, I just wanted to
say hi b/c I'll be responding to comments everyonce in a while and thought you
should know who that random person sending email to the listserv is.

A few comments:  I love front tumbling - it helped me a lot in my floor routine
when I was a level 8.  Khorkina is amazing - I'm completely amazed at her beam
routine. I can't wait to see the Chinese Women in Atlanta - what a treat!!!
And I think we should try and keep comments on this listserv centered on
gymnastics... that is why we all subscribed!

         thanks for reading and i'm looking forward to hearing from you.



Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:36:41 -0400
From:    ***@GOOFY.UMD.EDU
Subject: Kelli Hill would appreciate a Chunichi Cup Poster

Hi All,

I spoke to Kelli Hill last night after our Parents Association meeting (my
daughter goes to Hill's and I'm on the Board of Directors) and was telling her
about the GYMN list.  I mentioned that I would look into getting a poster from
Worlds if she was interested.  She said that the poster that she would like
the most would be from the 1995 Chunichi Cup.  Dominique (Dawes) was featured
on the poster and Kelli had originally gotten five of them but unfortunately
left all of them on a train during the trip.

If anyone can help getting one of these it would really be appreciated.
Reasonable cost (I would assume) would be no problem.  I'm sure that I could
also get Dom to autograph a tee shirt or picture (or whatever).

Thanks in advance.

P.S.  I haven't forgotten those of you who have sent email requesting
information about the Maryland Classic.  There was some question about where
the meet was going to take place this year.  I'll will be sending you (and the
list) email once things get straightened out.


Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:55:50 -0600
Subject: Hop full on bars.

I don't understand the logic, though, of giving Chusovitina the credit for
a move which is done essentially the same on both HB and UB. After all,
we don't call the Jaeger, Deltchev, and Tkatchev different names just because
they are performed on one apparatus verse another. To me: hop full = thomas



Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:12:41 -0500
Subject: Re: BART CONNOR

I actually think both Bart Conner and Kathy Johnson-Clarke do a great job.
I especially appreciate their commentary in the men's competition where I
know less about scoring and need their comments more.  I love that both
Bart and Kathy have so much respect for originality in gymnastics.

BTW, was it just my mood or was the television coverage of the AA great?


Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:14:41 -0500
Subject: Tanya maiers

Date sent:  19-OCT-1995 16:13:30

I was talking to a friend of mine down in Georgia the other day, and
we got off on the topic of gymnastics. He mentioned Tanya Maiers to
me. Apparently, she retired due to the large amount of injuries she
has incurred. Her body coudln't handle it any longer.


Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:29:34 -0500
Subject: posters...?

Hello again.  I am looking for some information on posters.  The ones
listed in International Gymnast don't necessarily interest me.  I was
wondering if anyone could send me some information about maybe a catalogue
that contained a lot of posters (US girls preferably).  I am extremely
interested in Dominique Dawes, Amanda Borden, Dominique Moceanu, Shannon
Miller...I appreciate any information that will help.  Thanks in advance!

Gymnastically Yours,

P.S. Did ya hear?  Marianna Webster went to Hill's Angels!
Now maybe we will see her re-emerge into the spotlight.


Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:51:01 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Simona Amanar

Am I the only one on this list who LIKES Simona Amanar??  I agree that her
beam is a bit lacking but her other ruitines are great!  Everyone says how
bad her coreography is on floor, but I think she just doesn't have time for
great dance with 4 huge toubling runs.  Her floor at the European Cup with
three runs had really cute dance, I thought.  Nothing compared to Miller or
Khorkina, but certainly comperable to, say, Dominique Moceanu.  Her double
layout off bars is great, and her double twisting yurchenko is HUGE.

Just my 2 cents,


Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:53:16 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Oksana Fabrichnova

Did Oksana Fabrichnova compete at the Worlds this year??  What ever happened
to her?  She was such a great gymnast and I thought she had a shot to win the
AA, but she just dissapeared!


Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:20:04 -0500
Subject: Jennie Thompson

> Subject: Jennie Thomson article...

> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:23:18 -0500 (EST)
> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24]
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> I just received the October issue of International Gymnast.  They had a really
> nice article/interview with Jennie Thompson.  I don't get the impression
> that she is a spoiled brat.  I saw her compet in 1994, and i knew she was
> going to be "big".  I feel bad that her moves between gyms and her injuries
> have held her back.  She quite possibley would be in the same position as
> Dominique Moceanu.  I know next year will be promising for her, if things
> go well.  All I can say, is look at what Kerri Strug went through...
> My goodness, next year is going to be tough for everyone to earn a berth
> to Atlanta!  I hope she gets back into the "main stream" as soon as posssible.
> Aaron
I have been having a few e-mail problems, my address is
I am not sure if a reply to this message will get through.



Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:52:52 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Oksana Fabrichnova

Oksana was unable to compete at the Sabae World Championships due to an
injured back. Apparently, this is an old injury, which just flared up again
due to another illness (Arkaev described it as her having a "cold on her

Despite her absence, the Russians were pleased to see her promiently featured
on the promotional poster (the photo of her on beam was the largest of the 4
or 5 used) for the event and she should be back in competition soon from what
I gather.

She, along with Elena Grosheva, is on the list of "scheduled" competitors for
the upcoming pre-Olympic event in Atlanta, but who's supposed to be there and
who actually shows up are often two very different matters when it comes to
gymnastics meets.

Oksana has been plagued by injury and illness throughout her career. In
Brisbane she had a broken finger and could only perform on one event (beam)
and at last summer's Goodwill Games she was less than 100% due to a bout with
the flu and an accompanying fever.

To date her best result has been the '93 European Cup, where she won the AA
gold along with fellow Russian Dmitri Karbonenko.

 - Susan


Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 21:58:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Simona Amanar

Liz wrote:

>Am I the only one on this list who LIKES Simona Amanar??  I agree that her
>beam is a bit lacking but her other ruitines are great!  Everyone says how
>bad her coreography is on floor, but I think she just doesn't have time for
>great dance with 4 huge toubling runs.  Her floor at the European Cup with
>three runs had really cute dance, I thought.  Nothing compared to Miller or
>Khorkina, but certainly comperable to, say, Dominique Moceanu.  Her double
>layout off bars is great, and her double twisting yurchenko is HUGE.

IMHO, Simona Amanar is a very talented and skilled athlete, who is exciting
to watch. However, I agree that unfortunately she is not very well
choreographed.  She's still young...



Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 21:59:14 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: BART CONNOR

>Throughout ABC's coverage of Sabae, I've noticed that Bart Connnor's
comments and commentary of certain gymnasts has been quite rude and uncalled

I have yet to watch the ABC coverage, but I would like to comment that IMHO,
Bart is not a cruel person.  I do, however, think he's angry at the current
state of US Men's Gymnatics.



Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:29:28 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Hard Copy


Here is the story they had on Hard Copy (a tabloid news show) about
gymnastics. Enjoy :)

"Hard Copy investigates the ugly side of the world's most beatiful

"Now the heart breaking story of a young American gymnast. SHe appeared
headed for stardom until she literally starved herself to death.
Tonight some are saying that it was the pressures of the sport that
killed her."

"She got down to about 42 pounds at one point and the doctors were like
'how is she even walking?' but she could," said Christy's mom.

"In the highly competitive world of gymnastics, Christy's parents lost
a five year battle to try to save their daughter's life. But it was one
fight that their golden girl just couldn't win."

Christy was a hopeful for a medal in the '92 Olympics. On July 26, 1994
Christy died of anoerexia.

She weighed less than 40 pounds.

"More then anything I felt that she was robbed. Christy never had a
chance to live. The only thing she knew was that gym." said Bo Moreno,
Christy's fiancee.

He blames the death on a sport that demands perfect and coaches that
put medals before people.

Bo refers to gymnasts as victims.

It talks bout Cathy Rigby and her anorexia. SHe say that she does think
the coach plays a role n the eating disorders.

Christy's mom blames it on the system that does anything to turn up a
champion no matter what the cost.

Christy's mom would not let Christy start gymnastics of she could do it
again. She would just let her be  alittle girl.

All her parents have left is a room full of medals.
"All the medals and all the glory in the world is not worth it. My
beautiful daughter, she's gone forever."

Now a reporter is talking about it:

"Christy's death has forced USA Gymnastics into action. Now steps have
finally been taken to educate young gymnasts about eating disorders and
early warning signs. But there is still a long ways to go in a sport
that is already littered with broken bodies and shattered dreams."

That's it! Gotta go now! BYE!!!!!

You friends,
Margi and Mardi :)


End of GYMN-L Digest - 19 Oct 1995 - Special issue