GYMN-L Digest - 18 Nov 1995 to 19 Nov 1995 - Special issue

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Topics in this special issue:

  1. Atlanta Invitational
  2. IBM AGI - commentary part 1
  3. AGI: That Nutty Announcer
  4. IBM AGI - commentary
  5. S.A. Invitational Championships
  6. Chinese and French gymnasts
  7. IBM AGI commentary, day 2, part 2 of 2
  8. Ages
  9. champs please
 10. Champs (3)
 11. Gymn BIO: Huang Huadong (CHN)
 12. Doni Thompson- out
 13. Kim Young/College (2)


Date:    Sat, 18 Nov 1995 20:34:19 -0800
From:    ***@ENG.SUN.COM
Subject: Re: Atlanta Invitational

Amy writes, Re: the rhythmic demonstrations:

  I must admit that I'm not a big rhythmic gymnastics fan, but I was
  quite impressed!

I'll second that.  I was mesmerized by the rhythmic exhibitions both
nights.  The crowd really appreciated them as well.



Date:    Sat, 18 Nov 1995 23:36:34 -0500
Subject: Re: IBM AGI - commentary part 1


Question for those there --
I missed the opening pass of Jordan Jovtchev (BUL) on FX, anyone catch it?

>Men's pommels went pretty well, for most of the gymnasts, with two out of
>every three scoring 9.3 and higher. Huang recovered from his mistakes on
>floor to lead pommels with a 9.55, displaying never-ending sequences on one
>pommel and also a nice combination of flairs, up to handstand (but not
>quite), and right back into flairs

Ah, yes, spindeling flairs when he came down from the handstand that were
beyond beautiful, it looked like he would dismount but he decided to go back
down the horse with back moores and then back up in circles before dismounting.

.  Rudnitsky tied with Oliver Walther
>(GER) for second on pommels with a 9.500.  Rudnitsky was very aggressive on
>this event, mounting immediately into flairs, but almost missing a hand on
>his pirrouette off the horse.  Podgorny, Svetlichnyi, and Kan again were
>neck and neck, each scoring 9.45, a mark which surprised me for Svetlichnyi
>as his legs came apart several times and he had problems with his leg form.

What I remember most about that routine was a walk-around on the leather  -
very impressive!


Date:    Sat, 18 Nov 1995 20:39:27 -0800
From:    ***@ENG.SUN.COM
Subject: Re: AGI: That Nutty Announcer

Debbie writes, Re: The announcing at the IBM invitational:

  And my personal favorite...Hoo-WANG Hoo-ah-DONG

He truly botched this man's name.  Inexcusable really.  The gymnast was
only a member of the '95 Worlds gold medal Chinese team.  He deserves to
have his name pronounced at a gymnastics meet at least semi-correctly.

Maybe I'll put his bio out (tomorrow) in his honor.

Yours in Gymnastics,



Date:    Sat, 18 Nov 1995 21:00:38 -0800
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: IBM AGI - commentary

> basically.)  Begue bested her teammate (9.625 to Teza's 9.6) with some
> interesting combinations in the beginning of the routine (I didn't catch the

Begue did a FF stepout to Arabian front handspring stepout (a la Onodi and
Mostepanova).  Both French girls were excellent on every event, IMHO.
They have tons of difficulty, original skills, good form and great dance.
Teza's choreography on FX was *really* cool, and her eye contact with the
audience is reminiscent of Khorkina.

>I missed the opening pass of Jordan Jovtchev (BUL) on FX, anyone catch it?

Was it a Thomas (laid out)?  I think he did the same skill for his 2nd
pass, too.



Date:    Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:41:00 -0600
Subject: S.A. Invitational Championships

          A while ago I went to the Gymnastics S.A. Invitational
          Championships in Adelaide.It was kind of like another state
          champs. Levels 7-10 and Elite competed. I won't post all the
          results but if anyone wants more info just E mail me.

          Level 10 All Around
          1. Alice Lay
          2. Meagan Tillet
          3. Jennifer McBeath

          All of the above are from Koorana
          Alice Lay is the national L10 champion and basically had a
          great day. Meagan Tillet does a punch front on beam and is
          very powerful on vault and floor. Jenni made mistakes on
          some events including a fall on her double back on floor. I
          think that she has the nicest style of all the L10s and if
          she had hit would have placed higher.

          Sub Jnr Stage 3 Elite All Around
          1. Celeste Dixon (Koorana)
          2. Sophie Halamaj (Payneham)
          3. Tamara Albanus (Tri-Skills)

          Although all the stage 3's train at SASI they represent the
          clubs at which they first began gym.

          Junior Elite

          For the first time since Rebecca Stoyel became a senior Anne
          Marie Williamson had someone to compete against.Stage 4
          National Champ Karina Laenger has now moved up to Junior

          All Around
          1. Karina Laenger (Dynamic)
          2. Anne Marie Williamson (SASI)

          Karina, 12 was consistent for the win. Although I don't like
          her style she has a nice layout on beam and an excellent
          double front off bars. Anne Marie just had an off day. She
          fell off beam and fell on her bars dismount of a double
          pike. Although Karina took the AA and beam,vault and bars
          Anne Marie managed to win floor with a double back and
          double twist.

          Senior Elite
          Rebecca Stoyel won, if you can call being the only
          competitor winning!! The first night she performed
          compulsories and although it was the first time I had ever
          seen those routines I thought she was very good at them. The
          next night she competed VERY watered down optionals but
          still managed the Elite qualifying score and so won.

          I really enjoyed this comp. I think in future they should
          invite some other states to make it more competitive and

          Bye for now,



Date:    Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:55:00 -0600
Subject: Chinese and French gymnasts

          Hi everyone!
          If anyone has ANY information on these Chinese gymnasts
          please send it to me.
          -Mo Huilan(Who I think is the best all around gymnast ever.)
          -Meng Fei(I first saw her on the '95 worlds and her vault
          was almost perfect.)
          -Qiao Ya(Great on beam.)
          -Liu Xian(Got a cool bars routine.)
          -Liu Li(great on bars.)
          I would also like some information on these French girls:
          -Elvira Teza
          -Cecile Canqueto
          -Letitia Begue
          It would be great if I could get this information.
          Thanks.See you later,


Date:    Sat, 18 Nov 1995 22:48:00 MST
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: IBM AGI commentary, day 2, part 2 of 2

Men's competition, day 2

Alexandre Svetlichnyi continued with his winning ways on day two of the
Atlanta Gymnastics Invitational, despite placing 9th, 10th, and 7th
respectively in the vault, parallel bars, and high bar standings.  (In fact,
the only event medal he won was the previous day's bronze on floor.)  His
success was partly due to the mishaps of Rudnitsky, Jovtchev, and Kan, who
were 2nd through 4th after day one but all finished out of the all-around
medals.  Svetlichnyi started the night on pbars (9.25) with a couple nice
Healys and a Makuts (I believe -- somewhat like a back toss with a half
twist?).  His high bar included only one release, but what a release it
was!: a layout Jaeger from inverts!  His dismount was also strong, a
full-twisting double layout, with the twist delayed enough that I would
consider it a full-out (9.487).  His vault was a Yurchenko with 1.5 twists

Jumping from 5th to 2nd overall, Blaine Wilson's best score of the night was
on high bar, with a 9.5.  His set included a very high Thomas (hop-full), a
Tkatchev, and a delayed double twisting double back dismount (hop). I was
impressed with his vault (I believe it was a Kasamatsu 1.5 -- I know a
couple of you can correct me if I'm wrong!).  On p-bars, this guy's Tippelts
are huge, though they would be nicely polished with a little more foot form.
Wilson seems to be "an emerging force in USA men's gymnastics," and I, for
one, appreciate seeing some new faces around.

Following Wilson in his surge up the ranks, Podgorni pushed from 6th to 3rd.
His best event of day two was pbars, where he notched a 9.5 for 3rd on that
event with a smooth routine that concluded with a double front 1/2 out
dismount.  His vault, which scored 9.325, was a Yurchenko double full
(step), but I particularly liked his high bar (9.475) which included a
three-release sequence (layout Tkatchev, Tkatchev, Gienger) and a double
twisting double layout with a delay on the twist.

Holding fairly steady, Jovtchev slipped one place from 3rd to 4th.  Jovtchev
started the nice on pbars with *three* double saltos -- first a double front
piked, then two double backs tucked -- and a double back tucked for
dismount, so perhaps you could say four double saltos.  He dismounted high
bar with a sky high double twisting double layout (9.3), but scored his
highest on vault with a 9.45 for his Kas-1.5.

Lynch, like Wilson and Podgorni, jumped three places to finish fifth, with
particularly strong routines on pbars and high bar (he finished just out of
the medals on both of those events).  His layout Cuervo vault (?--I think
I'm getting better at identifying vaults, but still shaky) was strong off
the horse but his legs broke form (9.225).  His pbar set was beautiful,
however, with the best consecutive Diamadovs and a pair of back tosses, and
like Podgorny, a double front 1/2 out dismount (9.45).  Lynch's best score
of the meet, however, was a 9.55 on high bar, which included a Tkatchev to
Gienger (huge!) and a 1.5 twisting double layout dismount from front giants.

Charipov, who was 11th yesterday, climbed all the way to 6th today with a
strong high bar set which scored a 9.562 (second place on that apparatus,
tied with Maeda).  His set included a piked Gaylord (double front somersault
over the bar) -- which lost some rhythm on the regrasp -- two orbiting
Tkatchevs (tm), and a triple back dismount.  His pbars is actually stronger
than his high bar (some picked him to win that event) but he lost his rhythm
after his double front piked (hmm, just like on high bar...).  (And yes, I
do normally write "Sharipov" but I always try to write the names as they
appear on the scoresheet in these meet reports.)

The most unfortunate gymnast of the night was Vitaly Rudnitsky, who fell
from 2nd place after day one to16th overall.  His vault amounted to a tucked
Yurchenko, and not a good one at that (7.95) -- I don't know what he was
planning to vault.  His pbars went all right (9.2), but he only mustered an
8.175 on high bar after missing his Kovacs, among other skills.  Another
gymnast who would probably rather forget this particular competition is
Mihai Bagiu. He started out on high bar missing his one-arm giant to one-arm
Gienger and needed several hops on his triple back dismount (although he
caught his Kovacs).  His hands almost missed the horse on his
Yurchenko-full, but his hands did manage to find the ground on the landing.
Then on pbars, Bagiu missed his Manna.

Tops on vault was Korean Yeo, who competed what I might call a layout Cuervo
full (help me out here) -- essentially a front handspring layout with 1.5
twists (9.687).  Suzuki threw the same vault for a 9.525 and 2nd on that
event, while Dounev beat out Jovtchev for the last vault medal with a
Kas-1.5 (9.475). Maeda doubled over in his parallel bar victory (I'm tired
people, give me a break), with two double backs on this event (at least one
was from a giant) and a double pike dismount - 9.587.  Equally (not doubly)
impressive was Huang in his silver medal effort (9.537), who also threw two
double backs, with extremely pointed toes. The best high bar score of the
night came from Bondarenko (9.575) who finished 8th overall.  His set
included a Kovacs to Thomas; a piked Tkatchev to Tkatchev; and a
full-twisting double layout dismount, stuck.  Tying Charipov for 2nd on high
bar was Maeda, with his second medal of the night after a great Kovacs and
full-twisting double layout.

Other notables: Suzuki threw a back somi with 1/2 twist on pbars, as did
Dounev; like Svetlichnyi, Huang threw only one release in his high bar
routine, a layout Jaeger from inverts, but he added an extra twist to
Svetlichnyi's dismount, sticking a double twisting double layout.  Kip
Simons would have improved his final rank with his Kas 1.5 (9.40) vault and
9.462 high bar (double double dismount that twists so quickly that it might
even be a double full-in), but he almost sat on the parallel bars with his
Tippelt and put his hands down on his double pike dismount (8.825).  German
Walther faltered on his vault (8.85) to fall to 10th, while Nikiferow's high
bar (8.725 - fall on Tkatchev) prevented him from ascending the ranks.

I really liked Andrei Kan's gymnastics (7th overall). His vault is difficult
(Tsuk 1.5 -- harder than a Kas 1.5), but more importantly, he's just fun to
watch.  His pbars dismount was a double twist (eh?).  He caught his Kovacs
and layout Tkatchev-Tkatchev sequence, but crashed his double twisting
double layout high bar dismount to fall to 7th place overall.  Yeo's high
bar dismount was... unexpected, to say the least: a very vertical flank
vault with 1.5 twists.  You kinda want to put a beanie cap on him and spin
the propellers.  <grin>  Yeo's pbars were fun, with two Makuts (although
like I said, I'm not sure they're Makuts, but I believe they're the same
skill that Steve McCain uses in his pbars routine, if that helps any of you
judges figure out what I'm trying to say).

Dounev, the six release man, unfortunately missed the sixth release in the
sequence (piked Tkatchev, Tkatchev, Tkatchev, Thomas, Thomas (very high!),
Gienger). One day, high bar with just be ten release moves and a dismount.

Yours in gymnastics,
Rachele and George


Date:    Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:47:23 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Ages

Hi everyone,

I was going through some letters, and I came across 2, one from Gail Kachura,
and one from Breanne Rutherford. What surprised me the most, was that both
were born in 1981, and could compete in 1996. Gail was born October 2, 1981,
and Breanne, November 15, 1981.  So I don't know why everyone is saying that
Gail can't compete in the Olympics, becuase she herself said that she could.
Other November birthdays:

Ashley Kever (Capital, TX) November 8, 1977
Alexis Brion (Gymstrada)  November 18, 1982 (yesterday)
Kerri Strug, November 19, 1977 (today)

Just thought I'd say what I knew.



Date:    Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:04:23 CST
Subject: champs please

Could someone email me a list of women who have won the world championships
in the last decade or 15 years, but not won Olympic gold medals? Thanks much.


Date:    Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:17:37 -0600
Subject: Re: Champs

Date sent:  19-NOV-1995 12:10:13

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the last person to win a world
championship and then the Olympics was Ludmilla Toursicheva in 1970
and then the Olympics in 1972.

Anyhow, here's the all-around list:
1970 Worlds: Ludmilla Tourischeva
1972 Olympics: Ludmilla Tourischeva
1974 Worlds: Ludmilla Tourischeva
1976 Olympics: Nadia Comaneci
1978 Worlds: Elena Mukhina
1979 Worlds: Nelli Kim
1980 Olympics: Elena Davidova
1981 Worlds: Olga Bicherova
1983 Worlds: Elena Yurchenko
1984 Olympics: Mary Lou Retton
1985 Worlds: (tie) Elena Shushunova and Oksana Omelianchik
1987 Worlds: Aurelia Dobre
1988 Olympics: Elena Shushunova
1989 Worlds: Svetlana Boginskaya
1991 Worlds: Kim Zmeskal
1992 Olympics: Tatiana Gutsu
1993 Worlds: Shannon Miller
1994 Worlds: Shannon Miller
1995 Worlds: Lilia Podkopayeva

Excuse me if I mispelled any names.


Date:    Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:17:49 -0800
From:    ***@ENG.SUN.COM
Subject: Gymn BIO: Huang Huadong (CHN)

Because a gymnast's claim to fame shouldn't be having his name mangled
by the Olympic Announcer... ;^)


Born January 2, 1972 in Zhanjiang, China.  Currently resides in
Beijing.  5'4" (1.63m), 121 lbs. (55kg).  Personal, coach Chenfei Pan.
Club: Guangdong Gymnastics Team, Guangzhou, China.

Huang began gymnastics in 1978.  His first competition was in 1986.
He trains 45 hours per week.  He has two brothers, Hua Hai and Hua
Hui, both former gymnasts.  His father, Zhou Qiang Huang, is a school
principal.  His mother, Shi Fen Wu, is a teacher. Huang would like to
learn English and, when he retires from competition, come to the
United States as a gymanstics coach.

Past Performances:

Men's Team

1995 FIG World Championships, Sabae, Japan      1       566.619
1994 FIG World Championships, Dortmung, Ger     1       283.333
1993 East Asian Games                           1

Men's Individual All-Around

1994 FIG World Championships, Brisbane, Aus     19      55.050
1993 FIG World Championships, Birmingham, GBr   13(T)   54.175

Men's Pommel Horse

1995 FIG World Championships, Sabae, Japan      2       9.737
1994 FIG World Championships, Brisbane, Aus     5       9.650
1993 Trophee France Telecom, Paris-Bercy, Fr    3
1993 National Championships                     1

Yours in Gymnastics,



Date:    Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:39:23 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Doni Thompson- out

 i'm not sure, my sister's friend is a level 10 and has a planned exhibition
to participate in with Doni and Kerri.


Date:    Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:47:48 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Kim Young/College

HI everyone,

I just heard from Kim Young of Colorado Aerials that she got a scholarship to
attend college at Stanford for gymnastics.

Also, a level 10, Beth Brown at Trevino's, who competed in 2 event finals at
J.O. Nationals this year, got a scholarship to Iowa, as did Christine Roselli
from American Twisters. Also, a former Desert Devil, Tiffany Chapman, did as



Date:    Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:51:48 -0500
From:    ***@YALE.EDU
Subject: Re: Champs

Wasn't '79 Natalia Shaposhnikova?

And Yurchenko is Natalia, not Elena.

Did the original question mean no Olympic AA gold, or no Olympic gold at all?



Date:    Sun, 19 Nov 1995 19:39:55 -0500
From:    ***@MOOSE.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: Kim Young/College

Isn't the former Desert Devil Tiffany Simpson???



Date:    Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:25:38 -18521200
Subject: Re: Champs

From your list, it looks like Shushunova is the most recent
gymnast to win World Championships and then the Olympics,
not Touriescheva (Shushunova- 85 worlds and 88 olympics).



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