GYMN-L Digest - 17 Sep 1995 to 18 Sep 1995

There are 15 messages totalling 429 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. trials questions
  2. Intro (sort of) and questions
  3. Retton (Comments from Sarah)
  4. Moceanu's floor
  5. Eating disorders
  6. FWD>Little Girls In....
  7. Information about financial aid for gymnast
  8. Eating disorders, and som...
  9. TV Alert (for USA)
 10. world coach
 11. World Team Roster, U.S.
 12. Questions
 13. TV Alert
 14. Tereasa Kulikowski


Date:    Sun, 17 Sep 1995 22:23:10 -0600
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: trials questions

| Sorry to be a bit gymnastics illiterate here, but could someone explain to me
| Amy Chow's new move on the bars. I can't picture it.

I'm not sure how to explain an Endo... in the roughest and most unjust
description possible, it's a straddled swing around the bar that opens
to a handstand.  So Chow does (if I remember right, memory is a bit
fuzzy so someone please feel free to correct) an Endo, full
pirrouette, immediate drop into another Endo.

| Also, what did Moceanu change to make her routine at 10.0 at trials when it
| was out of a 9.9 at Nationals.

Which routine?

| And another also, is Borden definitely not going to Worlds?

Borden is definitely a no.



Date:    Sun, 17 Sep 1995 22:31:32 -0600
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Intro (sort of) and questions

| 2.  Is Jennie Thompson still at Dynamo?  How was she injured so that she
| has not competed much all year (she did compulsories at U.S. Classic,
| though)?

Last I heard, she was at Dynamo.  She's had various injuries from bone
chip in elbow (??) to something with her foot (don't remember what,
but I have a distinct memory of her limping) to who knows.

| 3.  Any more news about Dawes missing worlds?  How is she injured?  It
| must have happened in the past week since she was fine at trials, right?

No, Dawes was not fine at Trials, nor at Nationals.  At USA Nationals
she commented that she had not been doing her usual workout schedule
because of wrist problems.  (And ironically, she won bars, the hardest
event for her wrist, at Nationals.)  I am not sure exactly what is
wrong with her wrist, but I do know that Coach Hill was talking about
how it needed to be in a cast.

Her performances at Trials were "fine" but she was competing still
with that wrist injury.  Apparently the injury is serious enough that
the rigorous training schedule up till and including Japan was not a
wise decision for her to make.



Date:    Mon, 18 Sep 1995 04:32:52 -0400
From:    ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject: Retton (Comments from Sarah)

This is a message from Sarah (_Gym Stars_ Editor) regarding Mary
Lou Retton:


At the risk of upsetting many gym fans, and Retton fans, in
America, I thought I would put across the British point of view
about Mary Lou. I remember watching the Los Angeles Olympics with
my friends and all of us found her demeanour very embarrassing.
We cringed every time she grinned and punched the air. In Britain
we respect modesty, and Mary Lou was not modest. Nor do we think
of her as "cute" or "bubbly". She was as subtle as a sledgehammer!
I don't want to detract from her achievements, or what she has
done for gymnastics in America, which is fantastic and much needed
at the time. However she had very little impact in Europe. If she
had been British I would quietly side-step the issue whenever her
name was raised. Of course I seriously doubt any British gymnast
would behave like she did when she "won the Olympics". Just my
2 cents worth!


Posted by Sherwin


Date:    Mon, 18 Sep 1995 06:10:56 CST
Subject: Re: Moceanu's floor

     If I remember right, Kristy Phillips left Bela to go to another coach,
     She was doing great while she was with Bela but she did not have to
     work as hard on the new gym and lost her shape. When she decided to go
     back to Bela, she started to get better again but it was too late for
     the Olympics. After that she retired.

     The biggest difference I see between Kristy Phillips and Dominique
     Moceanu is that Dominique's parents are friends of Bela and will not
     be taking her away. Like it or not, Bela produces champions!

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Subject: Moceanu's floor
Author:  ***@AOL.COM at cclink
Date:    9/15/95 8:06 PM

I remember reading in IG that at the Visa Challenge Dominique Moceanu was so
excited to hit her second toumbling run that she jumped for joy at the end.
 The audience seemed to think it was really cute, so maybe Bela decided to
have her do it everytime.
Also, I think the comparison between Moceanu and Kristy Phillips is very
interesting.  I personally don't think Moceanu will last past puberty, and I
think what happened to Kristy could very well happen to Dominique.
Liz : - )


Date:    Mon, 18 Sep 1995 08:27:26 PDT
Subject: Eating disorders

I heard a rumor this weekend that really upset me.
Since this was a rumor, I will give no particulars.
The rumor involved a coach "teaching girls how to
purge."  I guess I was under the impression that
this kind of stuff was no longer happening in the
enlightened times of the '90s.  But this was alleged
to have happened in the last couple of years.
I think that any coach doing this should
be banned from contact with minors.  It reminded
me that parents have to be *very* careful who they
trust to influence their children.

Sorry to bring up bad subjects, but as long as it
is out there, we parents have to be on the look out.



Date:    Mon, 18 Sep 1995 12:23:50 -0400
From:    ***@TSO.CIN.IX.NET
Subject: FWD>Little Girls In....

Thought you might find this interesting!


Date: 9.15.95 3:28 PM
From: Deb
I was discussing Little Girls In Pretty Boxes with a journalism professor
and he wants to use it in a journalism class as an example of what happens
when well-meaning journalists with a potentially good topic overstep the
bounds of good journalistic practice and thus undercut their subject matter
and their own credibility.  I'm supposed to give him a few examples of
obvious inaccuracies or leaps in logic (ie. the statement about Michelle
Kwan that opens the Epilogue and that I've already objected to on the list)
to discuss in class.  So, does anyone have any particularly favorite
egregious examples to share?  They can be from skating or gymnastics.  Oh,
unless you feel they'd be of particular interest to the list, respond to
me personally at ***


got this from a friend off one of the skating lists.  She asked
me to pass it along to see if anyone else could contribute on it.


Date:    Mon, 18 Sep 1995 12:43:43 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Information about financial aid for gymnast

I have a parent who has a daughter that is pretty good and will probably go
far.  But unfortunately the parents are not that well off financially.  Is
there somewhere they can get financial aid for training and not effect her
amateur status?  Also what are the requirements of keeping an amateur status?



Date:    Mon, 18 Sep 1995 13:09:02 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Eating disorders, and som...

>when we were discussing african-american gymnasts
>last week, I was reminded of something. One of the athletes they
>mentioned was someone who made the 1980 Olympic team, and >was black.
>was that Luci Collins?

Yes.  During a T.V. feature at the '88 Olympic Trials, it was mentioned that
Luci had struggled with an eating disorder.

>Finally, I remember watching a broadcast way way WAY back >when and
>someone was attempting a triple turn on beam. She fell, and did
>not gt credit, even though she did complete the skill. I'm just curious
>if this was Dana Dobransky, and whether it was the 1987 nationals.

This was Juliet Bangater (spelling?) of Desert Devils and she attempted the
triple turn on beam during the event finals of the 1987 Olympic Festival.  I
attended this competition and even though she overrotated it and fell, it was
quite impressive to see! She also performed one on FX during that meet.  It
seems so long ago!

Hope this helps! :)



Date:    Mon, 18 Sep 1995 15:51:07 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: TV Alert (for USA)

For those of you who get "Prime Ticket Sports" on your cable outlet they are
re-showing the '95 USAIGC Championships (held in Haines, FL) twice this week.

Check your local listings for times and stations. Here in California it will
be on at 1 PM on Monday the 18th and at 2 *AM* on Thursday the 21st.

The Monday show is listed as 2.5 hours and the Thursday show at 1.5 hours.
Not sure which is correct or if Thursday will be an edited version.



Date:    Mon, 18 Sep 1995 16:00:56 -0400
Subject: world coach

I'm confused about the procedures used to pick the coaches for
international competition.  I thought I read on the gymn page on the web
that the men's Olympic coach was already picked, and yet the women's
world coach is still unsure.  If it were to be Karolyi and Nunno (each
with only one athlete, granted that they are the top two), what rationale
would be behind the exclusion of Forster (with three athletes, if Dawes
withdraws)?  Also, do the athletes get any say in who is chosen?  If a
vote is used, is it by the coaches of the team members or by USA
gymnastics officials?


Date:    Mon, 18 Sep 1995 14:01:04 -0700
From:    ***@ENG.SUN.COM
Subject: World Team Roster, U.S.

This just in from USAG:

Amy Chow
Theresa Kulikowski
Shannon Miller
Dominique Moceanu
Jacie Phelps
Kerri Strug
Doni Thompson

Mihai Bagiu
Jair Lynch
John Macready
John Roethlisberger
Kip Simons
Josh Stein
Blaine Wilson
Brian Yee

Yours in Gymnastics,



Date:    Mon, 18 Sep 1995 18:02:23 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Questions

Here are the answers to some questions that have been posted-----

 < I read that Tanya Maiers had quit gymnastics, but I did not see a
reason or a date that this happened.  Was she still at Aerials?  She had
not competed in so long, I wonder if she got fed up with all the injuries??>

Tanya was still at Aerials. She quit a short time after the US Classic, after
she hurt her foot in training. As of now, I don't have a reason for her
quitting, but I should soon.

 < Is Jennie Thompson still at Dynamo?>

As of Championships, yes, but with her, we never know.....

< Any more news about Dawes missing worlds?  How is she injured?  It
must have happened in the past week since she was fine at trials, right?>

Dawes' stress fracture in her wrist must be bothering her quite a bit. That's
the only reason I was given for her absence.

Some other World Trials news & rumors---

Theresa Kulikowski is officialy "in" Congrats to her for one of her most
consistant meets of the year.
 ---This moved Mary Beth Arnold into Alternate, and Andree Pickens and Monica
Flammer into the 2nd and 3rd alternate spots------

Rumor has it that Mary Beth Arnold *may* and I stress MAY resign, due to some
reasons I don't know as of now. That would make Pickens alternate, and
Flammer 2nd alternate.

If I get any other news, I will post it immediately. See everyone later!!!



Date:    Mon, 18 Sep 1995 18:59:41 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: TV Alert

About Retton hosting a sports show, what a shame that she doesn't have any
talent for it.



Date:    Mon, 18 Sep 1995 22:49:05 -0400
From:    ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: Tereasa Kulikowski

Howdy Gymners,

     Jennifer said that Tereasa Kulikowski is now OFFICIALLY
competing at Worlds.  Is she taking Dominique D.'s spot or Jaycie's spot?


Date:    Mon, 18 Sep 1995 22:49:57 -0400
From:    ***@DELPHI.COM

Dear Gymners,

     Mohini Bhardwaj has left Brown's Central to train at Brown's Houston,
seeking the coaching of Alexander Alexandrov.  She has been there for about
a week or so now.  Just thought you'd like to know!

Gymnastically yours,
dave :)


End of GYMN-L Digest - 17 Sep 1995 to 18 Sep 1995