GYMN-L Digest - 17 Jan 1996 to 18 Jan 1996

There are 26 messages totalling 794 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. Kim Zmeskal (3)
2. Doni Thompson Again
3. Initial (3)
4. Bi-directional twisting (3)
5. ANYONE NEED A PAL? (2)
6. Olympic Trials.
7. KIM ZMESKAL (2)
8. Meredith King and Tina Brinkman (2)
9. Kim's age
10. Reno US Women vs. Men Challenge
11. Left-Right Twist: My $.02
12. twisting
13. GYMN-L Digest - 15 Jan 1996 to 16 Jan 1996
14. USA Gymnastics
15. Bars deductions?? (2)
16. Strugs move!

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:57:57 -0600
From: ***@MAIL.COIN.MISSOURI.EDU
Subject: Re: Kim Zmeskal

Hello, fellow Gymners...

In response to Mr. B's post, I feel that Kim has every chance
in the world to make the Olympic Team, and take the All-Around gold.

> all-around gold. I think that is very unrealistic. I am a huge Zmeskal
> fan, but Kim will be 20 years old, making a comeback to amateur competition

It is true that she will be twenty years old, but do you remember that
Bogie was on the Unified team at age 19, I beleive, and she did well,
too. So, I don't really think that she will not do well because of age.

> comeback from reconstructive knee surgery, which, is no small feat. If Kim
> succeeds in making the Olympic team, it will be an amazing, almost
> unbelievable accomplishment. We don't need to burden her with unfair
> expectations of all-around medals.

From what I have seen her do in the past, I don't think that it is
unimaginable for her to make the team. She has the will and the
competitive drive to do it, so I think she will. On the subject of just
seeing her do the floor ex., perhaps she is doing a routine that will
knock the socks of the judges and she wants to keep it between her and
her coach. Who knows?
Why is it unfair to expect an all-around medal? And is it really
burdening her? In '92 she was expected to win...that was an unfair
burden. But it is 1996 now, and some just want her to make the team.
Wouldn't it be great if she did win All-Around?

--Michael :)

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 09:04:05 -0700
From: ***@CSN.NET
Subject: Doni Thompson Again

I wasn't sure that Doni Thompson would be able to go for the gold after
leaving gymnastics, but in a meet last weekend, she took third overall. It
was a thrill to know that she was beaten by a kid who used to workout in the
same gym my daughter attended. Beth Waldo, I'm sure, has the thrill of a
lifetime beating Doni 402 to 355. Yep, that's right...Doni is diving for
Air Academy High School in Colorado Springs. And she's been working out for
maybe six weeks there. Beth, on the other hand, was a level 8 gymnast and
has been diving competitively for four years!

Olympics 2000...a real possibility. Let's see how quick she is on the
learning curve!

Cindy

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:10:33 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Initial

Hi.

Could anyone please tell me what the initials AAU and USAIGC stand for? I
have looked though all the books I have and can't seem to find it.

Thanks,
Sandi

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:39:03 -0500
From: ***@NORFOLK.INFI.NET
Subject: Re: Initial

>Hi.
>
>Could anyone please tell me what the initials AAU and USAIGC stand for? I
>have looked though all the books I have and can't seem to find it.
>
>Thanks,
>Sandi

USAIGC stand for United States Association of Independent Gymnastic Clubs

AAU for Amatuer Athletic Union ??? (the Union part I am not quite sure about)

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:54:57 -0500
From: ***@LEARN.SENECAC.ON.CA
Subject: Bi-directional twisting

In regard to the message asking about skills which involve twisting in
both directions:
The Kazamatsu (M) or Kim (W) vault is a bi-directional skill. It
consists of 1/4 on followed by 3/4 off in the opposite direction,
resulting in what looks like 1/1/2 rotations. This is why it is often
confused with Tsukahara full. Also, although this may not qualify as the
same thing since it's a combination of skills, most athletes do side
tumbling skills to the side that corresponds with their dominant twisting
direction. For example RO BHS 2/1. Although they are twisting right in
the 2/1 their RO, which is also to the right side, twists left.
-=-al-=-

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:12:09 EST
From: ***@NETMAIL.HSCBKLYN.EDU
Subject: ANYONE NEED A PAL?

HELLO,

MY NAME IS KIONA. I AM A LEVEL 6 GYMNAST AND I WAS WONDERING IF
THERE ARE ANY OTHER LEVEL 6 GYMNASTS WHO WANT TO START A PEN PAL WITH
ME?
IF YOU DO WRITE TO ME AND NOT TO THE GYMNET



THANKS
KIONA

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:12:51 -0600
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject: Re: Initial

On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Sandy - wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Could anyone please tell me what the initials AAU and USAIGC stand for? I
> have looked though all the books I have and can't seem to find it.


AAU is Amateur Athletic Union.
USAIGC is US Association of Indepedent Gymnastics Clubs, I think.

>
> Thanks,
> Sandi
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:31:34 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Olympic Trials.

Anyone called the number listed before or aware of how much the
tickets will cost? I might be able to swing a trip there if it is reasonably
priced. Also, would tickets still be available?



Jeff

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:05:47 -0600
From: ***@UALR.EDU
Subject: KIM ZMESKAL

This is in response to a message about Kim's comeback and possible
Atlanta hopes. Yes, Kim Zmeskal will be 20 1996, but let's not forget the 1988
Seoul Olympics where the top two girls were 18 and 19! Also, it's not
impossible to overcome a knee injury. Daniela Silivas competed in the 1989
World Championships with a bad knee, and still won 3 World Titles. I do agree
about the pressure that we have all been putting on her by saying that she
could win an all-around medal, but I didn't mean my predictions as any pressure.
My predictions, as well as others, were mostly "hopes." Kim is one of my
favorite gymnasts, and I feel like she is capable of an Olympic medal. I think
she was very unfortunate not to get one in Barcelona. There were lots of things
involved, and most were out of her control. So, I think Kim's being in Atlanta
is a very real possiblity, and I wish her all the luck in the world.

Britney

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:28:21 -0600
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject: Re: KIM ZMESKAL

I'm assuming you were referring to Shushunova and Silivas. After
all the age controversies were settled out when the Romanian govt.
was overthrown, it was shown Silivas was actually two years younger
than her listed age. So...she would've been 16 in Seoul.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:27:24 -0500
From: ***@PERFIT.ZKO.DEC.COM
Subject: Re: Bi-directional twisting

> The Kazamatsu (M) or Kim (W) vault is a bi-directional skill. It
>consists of 1/4 on followed by 3/4 off in the opposite direction,
>resulting in what looks like 1/1/2 rotations. This is why it is often
>confused with Tsukahara full.

This is not totally correct. Yes, a Kasamatsu consists of a cartwheel onto the
horse (1/4 twist) and then a 3/4 twisting somersault, but everything *is*
twisting is the same direction. I did this vault in college, and I was just
going through the motions here in my office (good thing noone walked by :) ),
and everything twists the same way.

I can't think of *anything* that has you twisting one way and then the next.
It would be tough to stop the momentum and then go the other way. If you
*could* do it, I don't think it would look too good (arms flailing, etc).

What *I'd* be interested in is if anyone knew of someone who could twist just
as easily to the left and to the right.

Steve

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:37:34 -0500
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: Re: Kim Zmeskal

First of all, I would like to say that the original intent of my letter was
to say that is extremely premature to predict an Olympic all-around medal
for Kim Zmeskal when she has not yet even returned to amateur competition.
We have only seen her floor exercise (at the Rock and Roll Championships),
which has historically been her best event. Actually, it is premature even
to predict that she will make the Olympic team, but that is a much more
easily attained goal.
Michael's point is well taken that none of the factors that I listed, by
itself, could eliminate Kim's chances. I was only listing factors that,
when combined, can affect a gymnast's performance.

> In response to Mr. Bleasdale's post, I feel that Kim has every chance
>in the world to make the Olympic Team, and take the All-Around gold.
>
By the way, it's Ms. I'm Kerry. Our account won't let us have two screennames.

> It is true that she will be twenty years old, but do you remember that
>Bogie was on the Unified team at age 19, I beleive, and she did well,
>too. So, I don't really think that she will not do well because of age.

That point is obsolete. Although the present-day Code of Points does have
its loopholes, the Code under which the athletes were competing in Barcelona
was, completely obsolete, and did not correctly separate the gymnasts
according to levels of difficulty. Boginskaya did not have nearly the
difficulty of Miller, Bontas, Gutsu, Milosovici, or Lisenko. Today's code
requires top difficulty to get a top score.

> From what I have seen her do in the past, I don't think that it is
>unimaginable for her to make the team. She has the will and the
>competitive drive to do it, so I think she will.

I didn't say anything about her making the team being unimaginable. As a
matter of fact, I think there's a good chance that she will. I said that it
would be almost unbelievable, which means, since I think she can do it, that
I think very highly of Kim's abilities.

>On the subject of just
>seeing her do the floor ex., perhaps she is doing a routine that will
>knock the socks of the judges and she wants to keep it between her and
>her coach. Who knows?

Okay, I don't know what he's talking about there. I loved Kim's floor routine.

> Why is it unfair to expect an all-around medal? And is it really
>burdening her? In '92 she was expected to win...that was an unfair
>burden. But it is 1996 now, and some just want her to make the team.
>Wouldn't it be great if she did win All-Around?
>
>--Michael :)

As I said before, it is unfair to expect an all-around medal from a gymnast
who we have not seen perform a vault, bar routine, or beam routine in 4 years!

Yes, it would be awesome if Kim won the all-around!

GOOD LUCK, KIM!

Kerry

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:37:18 -0600
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject: Meredith King and Tina Brinkman

*smiles* Nope, they don't go together.

1) There is a Meredith King coaching at Olympus gymnastics, at least
according to USA Gymnastics. Is this the same Meredith King who competed
for the University of Utah?

2) Does anyone have any background information on Tina brinkman? I know
she is from Sun Prarie, Wisconsin, my home state, but I'd like to know
what level she competed, and how she did if anyone has some info.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:09:44 -0500
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: Kim's age

Several people have replied to my comment about Kim Zmeskal's age. I was
not stating that it was an obstacle that she could not overcome, simply one
of several factors that she will have to deal with.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:22:27 -0800
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: Kim Zmeskal

>In the recent messages regarding Olympic predictions, several people
have
>predicted Kim Zmeskal winning several individual medals, including the
>all-around gold. I think that is very unrealistic. I am a huge
Zmeskal
>fan, but Kim will be 20 years old, making a comeback to amateur
competition
>for the first time since the 1992 Olympics. We have not yet seen any
of her
>routines with the exception of floor exercise. In addition, she is
making a
>comeback from reconstructive knee surgery, which, is no small feat.
If Kim
>succeeds in making the Olympic team, it will be an amazing, almost
>unbelievable accomplishment. We don't need to burden her with unfair
>expectations of all-around medals.

I was one of the people to put Kim on my all-around gold
medal list. I agree with you that we should not put expectations on her
but I think that she'll do great. She has the determination and
competitive drive that is essential to win the all-around gold. Lets
not forget who her coach is also. I'm sure she is working harder than
ever. She's said that nothing is harder for her to do now than it was
before, after all she's only grown 1" since 1992. She also says that
her knee is 100% better now and she no longer wears any sort of brace.
I think that as you get older, you get better because you know how to
deal with nerves better and what to expect in a major competition.
I saw her very soon after her knee surgery in a exibition.
I saw her do beam and bars so I know that she is still a world class
performer on these events. She was great a year ago so just imagine how
she is today.(I do respect your opinion though)
One more thing: the "Battle of the Sexes" meet was Monday,
was it not? If so, does anyone know how it went?
Laura

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:30:00 +0600
From: ***@ZGS.COM
Subject: Re: Bi-directional twisting

> > The Kazamatsu (M) or Kim (W) vault is a bi-directional skill. It
> >consists of 1/4 on followed by 3/4 off in the opposite direction,
> >resulting in what looks like 1/1/2 rotations. This is why it is often
> >confused with Tsukahara full.
>
> This is not totally correct. Yes, a Kasamatsu consists of a cartwheel onto
the
> horse (1/4 twist) and then a 3/4 twisting somersault, but everything *is*
> twisting is the same direction. I did this vault in college, and I was just
> going through the motions here in my office (good thing noone walked by :) ),
> and everything twists the same way.

I'm afraid that I'm going to have to go with Allan on this one.
I can do a Kasamatsu also and if I did a 1/4 twist and then 3/4 twist
in the same direction, I would end up standing facing the way I started
(I would end up facing away from the vault.)
I mentioned in other discussions that I roundoff and twist in opposite
directions (which is why I do a Kasamatsu and not a Tuskahara 1/1.)
When I am blocking off the vault, I am facing the left wall. Then I do
a 1/4 turn back the other way so that I am now facing the way I started.
(If I kept twisting 1/4 turn in the same direction it would be a
roundoff and I would then be looking back at the vault - with another
1/1 twist to go). Finally, it's one big barani (1/2 twist) to land on
my feet. I will face the right wall on this one. BTW - I CAN'T barani
the same direction I cartweel/roundoff. Note that I only face the
direction I came once. This means I ended up doing 1/2 twist.
The whole which direction are you twisting gets kinda confusing when
you are going upside-down. I have always used the "which-wall-are-you-
facing" way of thinking about it. If your body faces the wall to the
right of where you started, you have just done 1/4 turn to the right.


On a similar note: when teaching front-fulls, some people have the
tendency to want to 1/2 twist one way and then 1/2 twist the other way.
Aside from the fact that 1/2 twist and then another 1/2 twist being
bad technique - it is really necessary to make sure that the body faces
both walls during the execution of the skill. (Just a little help for
anyone who is thinking about learning a front full).


Troy

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:42:37 -0800
From: ***@EFN.ORG
Subject: Reno US Women vs. Men Challenge

I just returned from the "meet" in Reno which featured the US Women vs.
the US Men. Competing were:

Women - Shannon Miller, Kerri Strugg, Dominique Moceanu, Vanessa Atler,
Mary Beth Arnold and Amy Chow.

Men - John Rothlesberger, Mihai Bagiu, Mark Booth, Chainey Umphrey, (Two
others who I did not know)

The format was nice in that you got to see four of the women on each
event, yes, that's right, exhibitions CAN include vault if you can
beleive that. The men competed vault, rings, high bar and floor.
However, the "winner" of each round was determined by applause-o-meter,
which was pretty cheesy, although the crowd seemed to love it.

I don't want to give all the details, although you can email me privately
and I will tell you anything you want to know. Bogi was scheduled to
compete but had to withdraw due to injury. Shannon only competed bars,
which was surprising because she and Steve looked so intense you would
have thought she was competing at Worlds.

Kerri, although I am her biggest fan, was probably not the best choice
for this type of format. She made no effort to play to the crowd and
didn't even crack a smile throughout all the crazy antics that occurred
everywhere. She competed all her regular routines, but had problems on
all her floor passes. Amy Chow has added so much difficulty to her bar
routine I couldn't even follow it with the human eye. She fell twice,
but it made you wonder how she didn't fall six times. Dom also competed
her regular routines, no one seemed to water down anything. Mary Beth,
the home crowd favorite, does a layout step-out mount that is so high and
floaty, you don't even hear her land on the beam. She has beautiful
technique and body line as well.

The men, despite quite a few mistakes, were the life of the meet, doing
anything they could to get the crowd behind them. They had lots of
low scores due to technical errors and start values, most of the
crowd did not know this and booed their scores to the delight of the
men, who later thanked the crowd by taking almost all of their
clothing off. Several people sitting near me talked quite a lot about
the lack of team spirit on the part of the women. The women didn't even
shake each other's hands, even though they were all on the same team.
In fact, both Amy and Kerri broke into tears and the other gymnasts
didn't even acknowledge them. The men, on the other hand, jumped all
over each other after every routine, even if their teammate fell.

Bart and Nadia served as the coaches, and for one of the more amusing
moments of the meet, Bela tried to kill some time by talking to the crowd
about coaching Nadia. Sadly, no one could understand a single word he
said, despite the fact he talked for about five minutes!

Kathy Johnson was commentating one row in front of me, so look for the
meet to be televised sometime soon. Also, for those who have made
comments lately on Shannon's gain of height and weight, those who have
seen her in person will agree with me when I say that she is so thin
she's almost knock-kneed and so tiny she's hard to see from the stands!
It makes me wonder what kind of cameras the networks are using that makes
these girls look so much older and bigger!

If anyone wants to hear more, or different information about the meet,
just let me know!

Katie

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:43:47 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Left-Right Twist: My $.02

Howdy.
I'd just like to contribute one small tidbit of information to the discussion
on which way is most 'advantagious' to twist vs. whether one is 'lefty' or
'righty.'
In my limited experience as a gymnast, my dominant side was the right -
cartwheel, roundoff, most flexible splits/leaps. Unfortunately (I soon
discovered at that time) I turned best and twisted only 'lefty.' This, of
course was not a problem until I was (as one astute list subscriber noted)
beginning to learn passes which required more than one move.
A good example of this was when I was trying to learn a cartwheel into a back
with a full twist off of BB. I landed the righty cartwheel on the beam with
my left foot first, took off of the beam with the ball of my right foot (You
can try this at home, folks, stand with your left foot in front of your
right! -- so my body was slightly turned to the right) and needed to twist
lefty off the beam, already starting out the trick with crossed legs, facing
the right, needing to twist left. It got hopeless after awhile, and the
coach even told me, 'You're twisting the wrong way!'
I hadn't known there WAS a wrong way, but to concur with the general
concensus, if you can learn to twist on the same side you cartwheel (i.e.,
righty cartwheel, righty twist) do it before it's too late!
Thanx,
Michele in Joisey

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:49:02 -0500
From: ***@EAGLE.LHUP.EDU
Subject: twisting

Hi gang:

I've been sitting here reading post after post about twisting. So I
finally thought I'd put in my two cents worth. From experience as both
an athlete and a coach I have found that "righties" and "lefties" are
determined in an inate sense, much the way a dominant eye is. What side
of gymnast you are has no relationship whatsoever to your hand writing
skills. Twisting is also independent of your handwriting and your
gymnastics side. One national team coach told me that he had his young
athletes walk away from him. After a few steps he would call them and
see which way they turned to learn which side they twisted to naturally.
This was done several times before the athlete was informed what he was
doing. I found it an interesting method.

Anyway, I don't believe the side of an athlete has anything to do with
his or her success. There are too many other variables that influence
the outcome. But it has been an interesting disucssion.

Julie

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 16:53:12 MDT
From: ***@DEANS.HEALTH.UTAH.EDU
Subject: Re: Meredith King and Tina Brinkman

1) There is a Meredith King coaching at Olympus gymnastics, at least
according to USA Gymnastics. Is this the same Meredith King who competed
for the University of Utah?

--Yes, they are one in the same.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:07:27 CST
From: ***@MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 15 Jan 1996 to 16 Jan 1996

>
>>Speaking of the out-of-bounds, how much is the deduction and does it
>matter how many feet are out? The reason I ask is that I don't know if
>the scores of some I've seen with both feet out look right with .2 instead
>of .1, and I'm wondering what the .2 for beth Wymer's floor in the Super
>Six was. I know she was out with a fall with both feet on her first pass.
>
Jennifer--any part of the body going with weight out of bounds = .1 (So
both feet out = .1, 1 foot stepped out = .1, running steps out of bounds =
.1)

While I was not on floor at the "Super 6" NCAA's last year (I was on
vault), if Beth Wymer had .2 off, she stepped out 2 different times. (I
vaguely remember some talk of that, but there have been many, many meets
since!)

--Robin

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:35:48 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM>
Subject: USA Gymnastics

I am Kris (***@aol.com), wife of US National Gymnastics Team Member,
Mihai Bagiu. I was a gymnast, at SCATS, the home of Cathy Rigby and 5 of 8
of the 1984 Olympic Team. Mihai (MBagiu@aol.com) is with Gold Cup
Gymnastics, working toward '96 Worlds and the Olympics.

We get a lot of info from the offices of USA Gymnastics, and when it might be
interesting to everyone, I will post it. Look for the Jan. issue of "Sports
Illustrated for Kids", John Roethlisberger is the feature sports trading
card! Today I have the 1996 Proposed Event Schedule and the 1996 Televised
Event Schedule. I will be abbreviating to save space! M/W/R = MEN, WOMEN
RHYTHMIC

1996 PROPOSED EVENT SCHEDULE, Updated Jan. 10, 1996
*Dates, Locations, Events are Subj. to Change and Cancellation*

JANUARY
18-19 Summer Olympic Festival (M/W) @ Rio de Janeiro, BRA
20-21 Regional Qualifying Meets (M) @ Various Sites
20-21 Elite Regionals (W) @ Various Sites
27 Reese's Int'l Gymn. Cup @ Portland, OR

FEBRUARY
2-3 USAG Winter Cup Challenge (M) @ Colorado Springs, CO
9-11 American Classic Nationals (W) @ Tulsa, OK
16-17 USAG Rhythmic Challenge (R) @ Downers Grove, IL
18 USA/Belarus Exhibition (R) @ Downers Grove, IL

MARCH
29-2 McDonald's American Cup (M/W) @ Ft. Worth, TX
5 McDonald's Int'l Gymn. Champ. (3 ON 3)(M/W/R) @ Atlanta, GA

APRIL
6 Budget Rent A Car Gymn. Inv. (M/W) USA/France @ Miami, FL
13 NCAA Regional Meets (M/W) @ Various Sites
13-14 Level 10 Regionals (W) @ Various Sites
15-21 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS IEF (M/W) @ San Juan, PUR
18-20 USAG Collegiate Championships (M/W) @ Seattle Pac. Univ.
20-21 JO Championships (R) @ Maryland
21 USAG Nat'l Inv.Tournament (W) @ Cape Girardeau, MO
25-27 NCAA Nat'l Championships (W) @ Tuscaloosa, AL
26-27 NCAA Nat'l Championships (M) @ Stanford
27-28 Elite Regionals (W) @ Various Sites

MAY
2-5 JO Nationals JR & SR (W) @ Duluth, GA
4-5 Eastern Open (R) @ Macon, GA
10-12 JO Championships (M) @ Tulsa, OK
11-12 Western Open (R) @ Seattle, WA
16-19 US Classic Nationals (W) @ TBA
25-26 Nat'l Gymnastics Festival (W) @ TBA
31-2 USAG Rhythmic Nat'l Championships (R) @ Athens, GA

JUNE
5-8 Coca-Cola Nat'l Championships (M/W) @ Knoxville, TN
18-19 Elite Qualifiers (M) @ Various Sites
21-23 RHYTHMIC WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS @ Budapest, HUN
25-26 US OLYMPIC TRIALS (R) @ Boston, MA
27-30 US OLYMPIC TRIALS (M/W) @ Boston, MA
27-30 USAG National Congress @Boston, MA

JULY
13 Pre-Olympic Exhibition @ Greensboro, NC
20-30 GAMES OF THE XXVIth OLYMPIAD (M/W) @ Atlanta, GA

AUGUST
1-4 GAMES OF THE XXVIth OLYMPIAD (R) @ Atlanta, GA
TBA Post Olympic Tour (M/W/R)

SEPTEMBER
(None scheduled)

OCTOBER
TBA National TOP Testing (W)

NOVEMBER
4-11 FIG Intercontinental Judge's Course (W) @ Athens, GA
12-17 Pacific Alliance Championships (M/W) @ Kuala Lumpur, MAS
23-30 FIG Intercontinental Judge's Course (R) @ Lahti, FIN

DECEMBER
3-9 PAGU Jr. Champ. and Congress (M/W/R) @ Guatemala City, GUA
8-15 FIG Intercontinental Judge's Course (M) @ Seattle, WA
TBA DTB Pokal (M/W) @ Stuttgart, GER
TBA National TOP Team Training Camp

1996 TELEVISED USAG EVENTS SCHEDULE
*Times are Eastern and the AIR DATE is shown, schedule is subject to change*

Reese's Int'l Gymn. Cup, Mar. 30 @2:00 CBS
McDonald's American Cup, Mar. 2 @4:00 Live NBC
3 ON 3 Int'l Gymn. Champ., Mar. 23 @2:00 NBC
Budget Rent A Car Gymn. Inv., Apr. 21 @1:00 CBS
World Championships IEF, TBA, ABC
Coca-Cola Nat'l Champ., Jun. 8 @4:00, Jun. 9 @3:00*
US Olympic Trials, Jun. 29 @4:00, Jun. 30 @2:00, Jun. 30 @7:00 Live*
*I lost the network, most likely to be NBC, but check local listing

Remember Team USA by supporting Rhythmic, Men, and Women, by seeing a meet
near you! Happy Gymnastics! Kris

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:09:04 -0500
From: ***@WAM.UMD.EDU
Subject: Bars deductions??

Here's a question:

Why is a gymnast deducted for for trying to complete a more difficult
skill that doesn't really detract from a routine...

I guess I couldn't see why Shannon Miller recevied the deduction she
got on bars. ON her transition to low bar she was suppose to hit a hand
stand on low bar but instead she when over, practically a plache position.
She was able to pull it back and didn't lose any flow. however if i recall
a sizable deduction was taken.

On the other hand you have anther athlete who just uses a simpler overshoot
with no handstand to low..i.e. nothing risky but no dedection.

How does the code work this out...I know if you miss a shill you are
using for bonus you wont get the credit and receive a dedution..is this
the case here?

thanks

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:14:52 -0500
From: ***@WAM.UMD.EDU
Subject: Strugs move!

Thus far reaction has been mixed on Kerri's move back to Karolyi.

One draw back that I forsee is tht Kerri might once again have to learn
all new routines which is definitly a disadvantage.

When she moved to Nuno's after 1992 she had all new routines. Shannon
and other on the other hand continued to used modified routines.

Then the move to Arizona..new routines again...then the move to
Colorado..new routines again.....I think she would be able to develop
more confidence if she would have been aloud to grow into some of her
older routines and move on from there as Shannon and other internation
gymnasts have...let not forget how long Miller used the same music...
she had the dance down and all the was added was newer passes..and
most of the cases the passes is not what lacks in a routine but the
presentaion....

One think that has remained pretty consisted for Kerri has been vault
since that hasnt really been a new changes....

what are you comments on these observations....

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:41:14 -0500
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: Re: Bars deductions??

>
> Here's a question:
>
> Why is a gymnast deducted for for trying to complete a more difficult
> skill that doesn't really detract from a routine...

I think that one way to look at it is as a safety measure. Judges don't want
gymnasts competing difficult skills before they are ready. If a gymnast will
score higher with an easier skill than with a missed more difficult skill,
she will be sure that she can hit the more difficult skill ten out of ten
times in practice before she competes it.
Also, since a gymnast doesn't receive any credit for any missed skill,
whether it is a more difficult one or not, she is not really being penalized
for trying harder tricks.

Kerry

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:36:29 -0600
From: ***@SCOTT.NET
Subject: Re: ANYONE NEED A PAL?

My daughter is a level 6...training level 7 & 8 right now..I am sure she would
love to have a pen-pal.

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