GYMN-L Digest - 16 Feb 1996 to 17 Feb 1996

There are 20 messages totalling 479 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  2. JUDGES: please write me!
  3. favor (fwd)
  4. Looking for a Couch
  5. Team Gymnastics to be cut as Olympic Sport?
  6. Thank You
  7. Olympic torchbearer
  8. Cutting Team Gymnastics
  9. Rythmic's Popularity
 11. L. Portacarrero
 12. learning to coach... (2)
 13. ESPN times tommorrow
 14. learning to coach
 16. Gymnastics CD
 17. Kodak and Moceaneu
 18. Kodak and Olymipc hopefuls.
 19. RESULTS: American Classic, Jr & Sr National


Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:30:40 GMT
From:    ***@FS1.HO.MAN.AC.UK

My wife and I were sitting in the local pub (bar) her in the UK and
pondering over our latest training session. The discussion turned to
vault. We proceeded along the lines of Yurchenko vs Tsukahara. Any
body out there got any ideas !!
We currently have limited training facilities ( no pits)in our club
(Stockport School of Gymnastics, England,UK - currently undergoing
plans for development into a permanat training site !!) and are
limited to a maximum of 13 hours training time each week. In the past
I have heard of coaches claiming that the Yurchenko( round off)vault
requires many years of training and progressions to compete safely
whilst the Tsukahara vault can be achieved in a much shorter time. I
currently work with an elite group of gymnasts who Tsukahara and are
all over 12 years old, but I also have started wiorking along with my
wife with a group of young,potential future elite gymnasts who are 6
years old. With the limited time we have in the gym we are discussing
which way to go with these two vaults taking this into consideration.
any comments would be appreciated.
Also there has been some discussion in the UK between coaches as to
the technique used for the first flight in the Yurchenko. This has
ranged from treating the entire vault as a double straight salto, a
flic action onto the horse , or a whip salto action onto the horse.
Any comments......
I have been listening ? in to the communications on this site for
some months now and it sometimes seems that it is a general chit chat
between gymnasts and coaches. Personally I would like to see more
discussion into techniques and coaching progressions and situations
instead of comments on who will be the US coach at the olympics,
which at the end of the day will surely be decided by the USA
governing body and will have little to do with the coaches involved
in the sport at club level.
Yours in sport
                    Barry and Christine

Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 05:42:00 MST
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: JUDGES: please write me!

Every now and then, I receive email from judges (most often not in the USA)
who would like to get in touch with other judges.  If you would not mind
being contacted by one of these requests, please write me and let me know
your name, email address, M/W/R/other, and level of cert.  (I know this info
for some of you but it would be helpful if you could humor me and mail it
anyways.  ;)  Let me know you're out there!

I will not send out your address, but rather write to you with the
requestor's address.  Also, I will share this list of judges/emails to the
judges who submit their name to me (ie if you tell me you're out there, I'll
tell you who else told me that they're out there.  ;)

I AM NOT STARTING AN OFFICIAL LIST of any sort of "Gymn judges"... this is
just something for me to scribble down on a scrap of paper for the next time
I receive one of these emails... basically heightening my awareness of the
resources available on Gymn that I don't know about.

See below for an example of mail I have received.


>>>down here in NZ it's hard to keep up to date with the Int'l happenings.
>>>I am an FIG judge and really do need to keep in touch with what's what.
>>>Otherwise when Worlds come around and Olympics it takes a while to catch
>>>up.  I judged at Sabae ... Any other Judges out there?


Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 04:50:17 -0800
From:    ***@CS.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: Re: favor (fwd)

For those of you who follow men's college gymnastics or know Tim Dalrymple:

This week-end Stanford had a meet at San Jose and Tim D. broke his neck.
He just had surgery on it and is doing fine.  He was doing a triple back
off the High Bar and decided at the last minute to only do a double.  If
you know him or would like to just wish him well, please email him and
let him know, because being a good friend of his, I know he is pretty down
right now and needs all the support he can get.  His email address is:


Thanks very much for this big favor.


Gish - Rhino


Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:57:55 -0500
From:    ***@ECN.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Looking for a Couch

The Purdue Gymnastics Club has a strong team this year.  Unfortunately, we
don't have a men's coach.  Are there any "old" ex-male-gymnasts out there
in the Lafayette area that haven't had the opportunity to jump up on the
apparatus in a while?  We want someone who would like to work out with the
team and give some "seniority advice".  It would be a volunteer position
since we do not have funding from the university but you would have full
access to the gym and its equipment.

We need Help



Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:07:33 -0600
Subject: Re: Team Gymnastics to be cut as Olympic Sport?

I really wonder about Rythmic being cut. According to what I read at the ACOG
home page, the tickets to that even sold out faster than for artistic. It may
noy be as popular as artistic GYM (do they EVER televise rythmic other than
at the Olympics?) but it makes money, which is what the Olympics wants all
events to do.



Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:07:05 -0800
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Thank You

>i called karoli's and asked. they said that she
>a while and she was only practicing floor and beam (for and up and
>pro meet) They said that she is now training full time now.  i asked
>she didnt compete at the classic and he went and asked marta and she
>that they felt she wasnt ready for the  comback.   I had to find

                        THANK YOU!!!! You can be my best-friend now. I
am soooo glad that you found this out!! They really scared me when they
said that she had quit. I think that it's good that she waits until
she's ready,don't you? I'm so happy that some one finally found out.
Anyone know of any other up coming meets? I'm hoping Kim will be in the
next one!!!!



Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:46:06 -0500
From:    ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: Olympic torchbearer

Hey ya'll!
I just thought that I'd share my good news with my gymnastics friends.
I've been selected to carry the Olympic torch on July 10 for 1 kilometer
on its way from Los Angeles to Atlanta!  Naturally I'm very excited!
Although 4/5 of the spots have been filled for torchbearers, if you are
interested in being one yourself or in nominating someone else, in a
couple of weeks, all across the country, Coca-Cola will put out displays
of nomination forms in discount stores, grocery stores, drug stores,
Good Luck!


Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:03:00 MST
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Re: Cutting Team Gymnastics

Don writes:

>Rachele writes:
>"Don't believe
>everything you read, including (sometimes especially!) what you read
>here on GYMN."

Well, I did not write that exactly, since "Gymn" is not all capitalized.=)
(It is all caps on the WWW page just because the logo looked better with all
caps.) Not that it particularly matters...

To anyone who is running around prepetuating the "rumor" that group RSG is
being eliminated from the Games: *THIS IS PURELY 100% GUESS on my part to
decode the puzzling original msg that was posted earlier* and is completely

>My hope is that they add more events such as  apparatus
>finals for RSG(both group and individuals), RSG team competition,
>mixed pairs artistic gymnastics--what do you all think?

Mixed pairs artistic -- if you mean mixed pairs where you just have one guy
and one girl competing three (or so) events each -- seems like this would
only wear out the gymnasts, who already have potentially as many as four
sessions of competition.

What I *would* like to see is Sports Acro (acrogymnastics)... men's four,
women's three, mixed pairs, duos, tumbling, etc.  (Imagine how "big" Steve
Elliot would become!)  What an overlooked sport!



Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:44:46 -0600
Subject: Rythmic's Popularity

I really wondered about the popularity of Rythmic Gymnastics with th e
masses. I thought that it owould not be that big, but maybe people do like
it for it's asthetic appeal. I mean, at the AGI-aka. Pre-Olympics, the
rythmic demonstration got alot of attention and people seemed to like
it. I was just surprised that it sold out at the Olympics. Perhaps it was
more a connection of the word "gymnastics" verses teh connection with the
rythmic portion of the sport. Who knows.



Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:47:03 -0600

Double-Doubles have been done on FX and UB by women, and R, FX, HB for men
andyone seen ANYONE do a double-double off BB or PB.




Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:11:19 -0500
From:    ***@MOOSE.UVM.EDU
Subject: L. Portacarrero

I was just reading the NCAA standings for the beam and I saw someone from
I think California (I'm not quite sure) with the name L. Portacarrero. Is
this THE Luisa Portacarrero from Guatemala, the really flexible one with
the front flip on beam named after her?



Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:45:46 -0800
Subject: learning to coach...

Learning to coach is, i think, one of the more undefined, un-set in stone
things that there is in gymn (at least in the us). I've heard that in the
UK they have a training program and you take tests and things (anyone
from there want to confirm this?), but in the us, as far as i know there
is no formal training program. do you learn to coach? A lot of people are ex-gymnasts who just
start helping out and then go from there. The problem with this is
that it's hard to learn to coach levels that you never reached--i
personally would not feel comfortable coaching higher than usag levels
5/6. There are some coaching clinics out there, but they usually aren't
publicized too well--at least i never hear of them-- and the ones i have
been to are pretty expensive. If you can get a club to pay for it, that's
great. But for those who either have no formal gymn experience or want to
learn to coach higher levels, it's pretty hard.

Anyone out there have any ideas for those who either want to learn to
coach new things or just learn to coach? This might be an interesting
topic of discussion, and i'd like to hear your responses...i know my
experience in gymn is not your typical club thing so i could be way wrong.



Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 18:43:03 -0600
Subject: ESPN times tommorrow

Can someone please email me and tell me when the Florida/LSU
is being broadcast tommorrow???? I accidently deleted the message
and I wanna watch!! :)

And could Christopher Scott please email me? I have a reply to something
he sent earlier this week, but I couldn't reply at the time.


Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:56:35 -0500
From:    ***@AIX1.UOTTAWA.CA
Subject: Re: learning to coach...

Here in Canada we have a National Coaching Certification Program which
requires you to successfully complete theory & technical courses at 3
different levels as well as have a certain number of years coaching
experience in your sport in order to obtain the "Technical"  portion.

With regards to the "Technical" portion, does anyone know how many years
you need to have coached for levels I and II?

Seneca College in Toronto even offers a two year diploma program called
"Coaching Techniques" specifically designed to train people to become
level III gymnastics coaches.  If I'm not mistaken, you can even train to
become a national level skating coach through their program.

> Learning to coach is, i think, one of the more undefined, un-set in stone
> things that there is in gymn (at least in the us). I've heard that in the
> UK they have a training program and you take tests and things (anyone
> from there want to confirm this?), but in the us, as far as i know there
> is no formal training program.
> do you learn to coach?


Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:01:51 -0500
From:    ***@AIX1.UOTTAWA.CA
Subject: Re: learning to coach

Sorry!  The years of experience count for the "Practical" portion of the
coaching certification program.


Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:29:39 EST
From:    ***@DARTMOUTH.EDU

Hi!  My name is Jen, and I'm a freshman at Dartmouth College in New
Hampshire.  I did USGF and high school gymnastics in Illinois for fourteen
years.  I'm certified to judge Levels 5, 6, and 7, and I coach pre-school
through Level 9 at home.  This is the first time in my life that I've not been
involved with gymnastics as a competitor, coach, or judge, and I am so sad.  I
love to keep up with what's going on in the gymnastics world and hope that
subscribing to Gymn will help me out.  I'm especially interested in women's
gymnastics, but love the sport in general.


Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:44:49 -0600
From:    ***@SCOTT.NET
Subject: Re: Gymnastics CD

I replied also to her request for young gymnast.  My daughter fits her
description to a tee.  I have yet heard anything from her.  If you hear
something please let me know and I will do the same.



Date:    Fri, 16 Feb 1996 22:58:44 EST
Subject: Kodak and Moceaneu

I just saw a Kodak commercial for the Olympics which show photos of athletes
from the past and then shows them as they are now. It included Nadia from 1976
(cool!). Then, at the end it shows Dom. Moceaneu with the caption Atlanta, 1996.

In one way it was great to see her and to see gymnasts featured, but then I
thought that this is kind of out of line. I mean, I hope Dom. is in Atlanta, but
she isn't on the team yet. Isn't it a bit presumptuous to show her as such? It
seems like that is just setting up expectations for her - kind of like what the
media did to Kim Zmeskal in 1992.



Date:    Sat, 17 Feb 1996 03:49:49 -0500
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Kodak and Olymipc hopefuls.

Even though it is just a commercial and Dominique is popular, a country
always has it favorite.
        Anyways  I am kind of tired of hearing about the comparisons between
 Dominique and Nadia and the fact that the Olympics are in the United
States and the anniversity of the perfect
ten translates for gold for Dominique.   I mean it is as if Dominique is
the only  person that is going to win the all around and score perfect tens.
 With seven girls on a team and there are twelve teams competeting,
 who is going to win is up in the air. I know that there are favorites,
 but it always seems that who ever is predicted to win never does.  I
just hope that the athletes do not become seriously injured like some
athletes have all ready done in other sports.

Just my opinion



Date:    Sat, 17 Feb 1996 02:52:00 MST
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: RESULTS: American Classic, Jr & Sr National

Results for the National level of competition.  (The previous results that I
sent were for the International level of competition.)

1996 American Classic
9-10 February 1996
Oral Roberts University Mabee Center
Tulsa, OK, USA

Junior Nationals
                                             VT    UB    BB    FX     AA
  1 Nicole Lyme        Cincinnati          9.350 9.125 8.825 9.400 36.700
  2 Whitney Cashwell   Ocean Tumblers      9.350 8.775 8.975 9.100 36.200
  3 Annabeth Eberle    Gym Nevada          9.025 8.900 8.750 8.925 35.600
  4 Kristen Uransky    Gymstrada           9.050 9.000 8.725 8.750 35.525
  5 Sarah Dipasquale   Parkettes           9.075 9.275 7.975 9.150 35.475
  6 Caroline Fluhrer   Cascade Elite       9.225 8.875 8.500 8.775 35.375
  7 Tamara Diles       Puget Sound         9.000 8.500 8.650 8.875 35.025
  8 Linsey Lines       Starfires           9.300 8.275 8.200 9.000 34.775
  9 Nicole Romano      Parkettes           9.200 8.650 7.750 9.000 34.600
 10 Mary Skokut        Indy School         9.350 8.525 8.300 8.400 34.575
 11 Tami Harris        Ocean Tumblers      9.250 8.750 7.900 8.525 34.425
 12 Lindsay Conerly    MS Gym of Dreams    9.175 8.550 7.725 8.750 34.200
 13 Cassie Cosgrove    Gymcarolina         9.200 7.150 8.200 8.700 33.250

Senior Nationals
                                             VT    UB    BB    FX     AA
  1 Mary Ann Esposito  Hills               9.450 8.875 9.275 9.050 36.650
  2 Giselle Boniforti  American Twisters   9.025 9.200 8.875 8.950 36.050
  3 Jennifer White     Krafft Academy      9.275 8.950 8.725 8.900 35.850
  4 Michelle Hess      Buckeye             9.325 8.625 8.950 8.800 35.700
  5 Britnee Bowden     Olympus             9.375 8.150 8.650 9.050 35.225
  6 Amy Ringo          Xtreme Team         9.100 8.075 8.875 9.025 35.075
  7 Annie Campbell     Leading Edge        9.175 8.800 8.600 8.450 35.025
  8 Alisa Beckerman    North Stars         8.725 9.100 8.350 8.700 34.875
  9 Tiffani White      NASA                8.875 7.800 8.975 9.150 34.800
 10 Emily Prichard     Puget Sound         8.750 8.675 9.125 8.100 34.650
 11 Autumn Jeffries    Krafft Academy      9.275 7.675 8.500 8.800 34.250
 12 Katie Hornecker    Illinois Gym        9.450 7.500 8.000 9.125 34.075
 13 Alexis Norman      Karon               9.200 7.900 8.625 8.200 33.925
 14 Rhonda Robinette   Desert Lights       8.350 8.450 8.100 8.800 33.700

# # #


End of GYMN-L Digest - 16 Feb 1996 to 17 Feb 1996