GYMN-L Digest - 14 Jun 1996 to 15 Jun 1996

There are 27 messages totalling 565 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. Amy Chow
2. Israelis in the Europeans
3. GYMN-L Digest - 12 Jun 1996 to 13 Jun 1996
4. Shannon may miss Trials and re: Israel in Euros
5. WWOS & stuff [no debating!]
6. Olympic Trial Tickets For Sale
7. Miller not at Trials
8. Israelis in Europeans (2)
9. nationals
10. USA:TV Alert on TBS
11. some simple questions
12. GYMN-L Digest - 13 Jun 1996 to 14 Jun 1996 - Special issue
13. OLYMPIC GYMNASTICS SPORTS PSYCHOLOGIST NAMED.
14. Kerri's choreography (3)
15. Hypothetical Trials Question (5)
16. UCLA choreography
17. Mina Kim
18. Israelis and Euros
19. ew: US Gymnasts
20. Canadian Info

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 06:26:08 -0400
From: ***@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: Amy Chow

I thought Amy Chow was something like 15 or 19 days to young to go to the
olympics. Is this not true? How old is she?

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:33:28 -0400
From: ***@VAXC.HOFSTRA.EDU
Subject: Re: Israelis in the Europeans

Hi,
I am a geography major so I think I can shed some light on the
israel/europe thing. The middle east is not its own continent and
therfore must be put onto a continent. Syria, Israel, lebonon, and
jordan, are considered european for sporting events. Iran iraq, saudi
arabia, and so on are considered asia. In reality, this is a separate
region of a completely different culture than any other continent.
Alisa

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:30:50 -0400
From: ***@VAXC.HOFSTRA.EDU
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 12 Jun 1996 to 13 Jun 1996

I really hope that shannon does not petition onto the team. I think she
deserves to be on the team and the team would suffer without her, but
didn't the usgf learn in 92?
JUST MY OPINION
Alisa

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 08:21:09 EDT
From: ***@EOS.NCSU.EDU
Subject: Shannon may miss Trials and re: Israel in Euros

Greetings fellow Gymners!

There is a blurb in today's USA TODAY saying that Shannon Miller may
miss the Olympic Trials due to her wrist injury. The blurb also says
that her Nationals all-around title makes her an automatic Olympic Team
qualifier. (Huh?)

And as to Israel being in the European Championships, I think a large
part of that has to do with Israel and its neighbors not being the very
best of friends. In most continental championships or whatever, I think
Israel competes in Euros.

--BRENT

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 08:56:46 -0400
From: ***@CAPITALNET.COM
Subject: Re: WWOS & stuff [no debating!]

Lisa wrote:

>Hmmm...and perhaps a Cdn can help me here - is it true that Kris Burley
>got some Athlete of the Year award? If so, way to go Kris :)
>
>Does anyone know who it is on rings in the Cdn Chysler commercial?
>

Yes, Kris Burley is Gymnastics Canada's Athlete of the Year for 1995-96.
He was the 1995 National Champion, ranked first from Elite Canada, and
placed 10th of floor at the 1996 World Championships. He will be competing
at the Olympics.

It's Alan Nolet in the Chrysler commercial!

Regards,

Grace

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:49:48 -0400
From: ***@CORNELL.EDU
Subject: Olympic Trial Tickets For Sale

My daughter's gymnastics team has purchased a block of strip tickets for the
Olympic Trials in Boston and several people are unable to use their tickets
for the Men's Compulsories on Thursday, June 27. These tickets are in the
1st and 2nd row of the balcony on the side of the arena (not at the ends).
The following tickets are for sale at $14.00 a piece.

Balcony 312
Row 1, Seats 1, 3, 6
Row 2, Seats 4, 7, 8

Since our team members have bought the tickets for the entire first and
second rows, the intervening seats either will be empty or you will easily
be able to switch seats so you can sit together. I am only posting the seats
for those gymnasts or parents who actually asked me to try to sell them so far.

The ticket for Row 1, Seat 1 (Balcony 312) also is available for the Women's
Compulsories on Friday, June 28.

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:19:31 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Miller not at Trials

I have heard that Miller will not be at trials. Her score from USA's will be
the score she uses at Trials which virtually assures her a spot on the Team.
I am very excited by the depth of our team this year.

Tony

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:33:46 PDT
From: ***@TIBCO.COM
Subject: Re: Israelis in Europeans

>If israel were on the border, than Lebanon would be a European country.
>israel does not lie on any border , but apparently they don't want to
>associate themselves with the rest of the Asian countries. Personally, I
>don't think they should be given a choice...

What continent are they on? Africa, Europe, or Asia? Don't know right?
They're in the middle of all three. Well if they want to compete in
Europeans MORE POWER TO THEM.

--
Amanda

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:59:07 -0400
From: ***@SCRANTON.COM
Subject: nationals

I have a couple of questions:
what were the resulst of event finals at nationals?
I thought that Amanda Borden and Dom M. can do double layouts? haw come
they dont use them. and is anyone going to woodward july 7- 13?
Donny

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:10:49 -0400
From: ***@PHARM.MED.UPENN.EDU
Subject: USA:TV Alert on TBS

At 9 p.m. EDT Sunday, June 30, TBS offers "America's Greatest Olympians,"
a two-hour special from Greenspan's Cappy Productions and Turner Original
Productions.

American athletes including Greg Louganis, Mary Lou Retton and Bob Beamon
-- along with lesser-known figures -- are featured in this look at a
century of U.S. achievement.

Also being aired is: "Greatest Moments of the Olympiad with Bud
Greenspan," an hour-long syndicated special that began airing nationally
this month (check local listings).

Greenspan also did the 1976 series "The Olympiad" on PBS.

He is famous for telling about people who came in last ...
He cites his favorite story of dedication, involving Tanzanian runner John
Stephen Akhwari.
"He finished an hour and a half after everybody else in the 1968
marathon," Greenspan says. "I asked him afterward, `Why'd you do this, with
no chance of winning?'

"He looked at me like I was crazy and said `Mr. Greenspan, I don't think
you understand -- my country did not send me 9,000 miles to start the race.
They sent me 9,000 miles to finish the race.' "

Mayland

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:41:33 -0700
From: ***@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: Re: Israelis in Europeans

Can we please end this thread before it turns into another Spantansburg?
(Apologies to those of you who have been on the list less than a month.
This was a thread that quickly lost relevance to gymnastics, just as this
one has now done.)

As long as I'm posting to the list, here's a relevant question which I
couldn't find answered in the FAQ: What's a Valdez? I've seen it mentioned
several times but have until now simply wallowed in my ignorance. Someone
please educate me.

-Patrick

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:56:03 -0400
From: ***@EE.NET
Subject: some simple questions

Hello all,

I have been unsubbed for a long time (had a baby last year - not really
up to date on things at all) but I wanted to subscribe to ask a few basic
questions about the Olympics that I thought you all would know. Thanks
for your help.

How, exactly, does one qualify for the Olympics?
When are the qualifying meets (nationals? the trials?)?
When will these be televised and on what stations?

Thanks very much for your help -

Amy

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:49:29 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 13 Jun 1996 to 14 Jun 1996 - Special issue

In a message dated 96-06-14 00:51:41 EDT, you write:

>
>Does anyone know why Mina Kim and Marianna Webster didn't compete at
>Nationals? I know Mina is too young to go to Atlanta, but I was pretty
>sure that it was a goal of Marianna's.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Katie
>
>

I would like to know to, but I think Mina Kim competed juniors, Maybe?, but I
would like to know about Marianna Webster
Thanks
Sara

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:05:34 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: OLYMPIC GYMNASTICS SPORTS PSYCHOLOGIST NAMED.

A professor from here at my place of work (Purdue University at West
Lafayette) was named to be the sport's psychologist for the
US Olympic Gymnastics Team yesterday. I Heard a 'blerb' about it on the
radio this morning (only the last half) but I did not catch the name.
There was nothing in the school newspaper today, either (pronounced 'i-ther)
Anyone know anything about this psychologist? I wil gather info about this
and maybe I could find the person via email and ask if she's sell
autographs or if she'll tell us stories about the trip.

Jeff

Once again, Dina Kotechova rules!
opps I spelled her name wrong!
-'Ouch!' (I just smashed my hand on the table as punishment!)


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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:42:35 -0700
From: ***@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: Kerri's choreography

>Kerri: Like the music, but her choreography has gone way downhill from
> last year's.
> an observation: with compulsories gone after '96, this gives college
> gymnasts more of a chance in international competition. I think
> Kerri, at UCLA, could possibly vie for another Olympics!

...and even if she doesn't, you'll definitely want to get a look at her
floor exercise after Valorie Kondos gets to work on it. Those of you who
haven't seen the UCLA women compete are really missing out here. Kondos is
possibly the best choreographer in the country. She really knows how to use
a gymnast's strengths, especially if back flexibility is one of them--see
Amy Smith and Luisa Portocarrero. :)

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:05:03 -0500
From: ***@MERLE.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject: Hypothetical Trials Question

Hey! Here's a hypothetical question. . .what if the top 7 US women petition
to the Olympic team? Does this mean there won't be a women's Olympic Trials?

Just wondering.

-Sue

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:31:49 -0700
From: ***@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU
Subject: Re: Kerri's choreography

> ...and even if she doesn't, you'll definitely want to get a look at her
> floor exercise after Valorie Kondos gets to work on it. Those of you who
> haven't seen the UCLA women compete are really missing out here. Kondos is
> possibly the best choreographer in the country. She really knows how to use
> a gymnast's strengths, especially if back flexibility is one of them--see
> Amy Smith and Luisa Portocarrero. :)

Oh wow!!!! You're making me anxious for *after* the Olympics!!!
The problem is, I wish Valorie could re-work that exercise *before* the
olympics....
Hey, I just realized something. Kerri will be the first Bela
Karolyi 2x Olympian in the US (hopefully!!!) and when she goes to UCLA
next fall, she will be the first Karolyi Olympic gymnast to compete
gymnastics in college! :)

Cara

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:21:01 +0100
From: ***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject: UCLA choreography

UCLA Choreography is really really good... There have been many memorable
floor routines like Leah Homma's from '93 (great music) and anything Stella
does and who can forget Amy Smith's great performance to that Offspring
song...

They dont use that bad Tijuana techno that the other schools tend to use.

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:20:21 -0400
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Re: Kerri's choreography

> Hey, I just realized something. Kerri will be the first Bela
> Karolyi 2x Olympian in the US (hopefully!!!) and when she goes to UCLA
> next fall, she will be the first Karolyi Olympic gymnast to compete
> gymnastics in college! :)
This is not entirely true. Chelle Stack competed for at least a
year with the University of Oklahoma. The only other former Karolyi
gymnasts (although not Olympians, which I know was what you are referring
to) that I know of who competed NCAA are Tina Snowden (Standford? I"m not
sure) and Carol Ulrich (UCLA). Both competed at the Olympic trials in
1988, but didn't make the team obviously.
I also hope that Kerri, and others (possibly Borden?) will remain
on the National team during college. This may be easier, now that there
are no compulsories, but if Kelly Garrison did it, we know that it's
possible. Hopefully the NCAA judging requirements will be more conducive
to this this next cycle.
Chris.

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:25:21 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Hypothetical Trials Question


<< Hey! Here's a hypothetical question. . .what if the top 7 US women
petition
to the Olympic team? Does this mean there won't be a women's Olympic
Trials?
>>
Or how about just Chow, Powell, and Kulikowski in a threeway competition for
the seventh spot

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:44:46 -0400
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Re: Hypothetical Trials Question

On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Tim wrote:

> Or how about just Chow, Powell, and Kulikowski in a threeway competition for
> the seventh spot
I definitely agree that the top 6 from USA's are a lock for the
team, but I really think that any of the remaining trials competitors
could make it. The top 6 from USA's all have world championship
experience, as do Powell, Kulikowski, Arnold, and Chow. Thompson is
quickly getting back into form, and Mohini would have made Sabae (and a
top ten at USA"s this year) if she could get her compulsory BB and FX
together. US trials are going to be closest ever, very intense, full of
emotion etc. It's going to come down to the last routine for the last
spot IMO. Expect the standings to change often after each rotation
(especially since trials count 100% this time). Look how much the
standings at USA's changed as the meet when on? I can't wait to see it!
Chris.
'

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:36:41 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Mina Kim

>Does anyone know why Mina Kim and Marianna Webster didn't compete at
Nationals?

According to Peggy Liddick, Mina had not recovered from an injury sustained
at Classic.

>1) Any word yet on whether either Amy Chow or Andree Pickens were able to
successfully petition to trials ?

I was under the impression that the decisions on both Chow and Pickens would
have been made at the same time, last Sunday. I haven't heard a thing,
though. Btw, Pickens pulled out due to an injury in warmups on a slightly
undercooked Yurchenko 2/1 that she and the coaches decided for her to try
after she hit several gorgeous Y 1 1/2s.

Mara

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:36:53 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Israelis and Euros

>If israel were on the border, than Lebanon would be a European country.
israel does not lie on any border , but apparently they don't want to
associate themselves with the rest of the Asian countries.

My understanding is that Israel was placed in "Europe" for political reasons,
i.e. at the time the decision was made, several Muslim countries refused to
compete if Israel was included in their region.

Mara

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:36:57 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: ew: US Gymnasts

>And I don't get why everyone has such a problem w/Karolyi's >gymnasts floor
routines. You are supposed to express your >personality on the floor, not try
and suite someone else's.

I think that IS the reason . . . or do you believe that an 18 year-old like
Kerri enjoys doing, as Helen so well put it, a "shaky bum" routine?

I somehow doubt that any of the Karolyi gymnasts were/are as vapid as those
floor routines made them appear . . .

Mara

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:24:42 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Re: Hypothetical Trials Question

No gymnasts is a lock on anything when it comes to the Olympics. Many
have sat in tears when they realize that regardless of how much they
worked they aren't going to make it to the Games. Anyone remember Sabrina
Mar, Rhonda Faehn, Doe Yamishiro, and Dan Hayden? Things HAPPEN.

Someone could even petition onto the team and then get injured.

Opps add Joyce Wilborn and Sandy Woosely to the above list!!!



Jeff

Dina, Dina, Dina

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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:38:41 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Hypothetical Trials Question


<< No gymnasts is a lock on anything when it comes to the Olympics. Many
have sat in tears when they realize that regardless of how much they
worked they aren't going to make it to the Games. Anyone remember Sabrina
Mar, Rhonda Faehn, Doe Yamishiro, and Dan Hayden? Things HAPPEN. >>

Yeah, which is why I'm not crazy about having the Trials count 100%. Should
making it to the Olympics be based on only the performance at *one* meet? It
makes for a more exciting meet at Trials, sure, but does it select the best
team?

Along the same lines, I think the best way to determine an All-Around
champion is without New Life rules and *with* compulsories, but obviously
TPTB disagree

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:43:22 -0600
From: ***@GPU.SRV.UALBERTA.CA
Subject: Canadian Info

In regards to the question about the Canadian Chrysler commercial, I'm not
sure who it is on TV but I do know that Alan Nolet is on the back of this
weeks issue of Maclean's magazine. He is on rings in a Chrysler commercial.
It could be him on TV too.

While I'm here I will introduce myself. I am a varsity athlete on the
University of Alberta gym team and have done gym my whole life. I am also
coaching pre-comp here in Edmonton. I will be watching all the gym tomorrow
too!!!!!

Leanne

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