GYMN-L Digest - 11 Oct 1995 to 12 Oct 1995

There are 21 messages totalling 510 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. A Silly Article (3)
  2. Bonus on Vault
  3. The Book?  Allysia J.
  4. USAG fax number
  5. Boginskaya
  6. Worlds
  7. gymnastics magazines
  8. Ludivine Furnon
  9. Shannon's music
 10. Worlds Commentary (2)
 11. tough moves
 12. Back issues of CGA-L
 13. explanation of that last msg
 14. Bogin$kaya
 15. worlds questions
 16. Eating Disorders articles
 17. EF on TV
 18. Email address for 60 minutes


Date:    Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:23:50 -0700
From:    ***@MCN.ORG
Subject: A Silly Article

Hi everybody,

There was an amusing short article in the San Francisco Chronicle on Tuesday
the tenth. The headline was "U.S. Struggles at World Gymnastics". What? They
referred to the women's AA as a day of frustration for the U.S. gymnasts.
Maybe for Shannon Miller, but I'd think Dom M. and Kerri Strug should be
extactic over both finishing in the top seven.

They said China was struggling too because they settled for three silver
medals the first day of event finals. Ha! They won a team gold and silver
and the men's AA gold! How long has it been since they've done that well?

They even mentioned Yuri Chechi not being able to get pizza as if it
seriously put a damper on his world championships. Talk about focusing on
the negative! They said he won the rings gold but neglected to mention that
it's his third in a row.

The weakest part of the article is the fact that they didn't mention any
winners except Yuri Chechi and Li Donghua (who they mentioned because it was
bad news to the Chinese since he's now on the Swiss team). All they talked
about was what the U.S. and China didn't win. At least mention the U.S.
women's team bronze!

If anyone has an e-mail address for the Chronicle, please let me know so I
can pass my thoughts on to them.



Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 00:12:54 -0400
Subject: Re: A Silly Article

Yes, it sounds like a silly article.

I don't suppose that was Joan Ryan that wrote for the San Francisco
Chronicle.  The distorted information has a familiar ring to it.  ;^)
Check out the back flap of "Little Girls in Pretty Boxes", written by ugly
slotch journalist in pretty big coffin who also wrote for the SF Chronicle.


Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:31:24 BST
From:    ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject: Re: Bonus on Vault

> Am I to understand that if you demonstrate great distance on a vault you
> get bonus points awarded? I noticed this in Sherwin's report of Vault
> finals. Does this hold true for men and women?

Well I think (I'm no expert in rules and regulations!) for the mens only
they have white lines on the landing mat according to distance and they
are +0.2, +0.1, 0, -0.1 and -0.2. So if you land beyond the furthest
line you'll get +0.2 bonus, and landed before the closest line you get
-0.2. They don't have this for women though they've been talking about
putting this in (but they haven't).



Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:40:44 GMT
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: The Book?  Allysia J.

I am a new subscriber, and I am wondering what the title of "The
Book" is.  It is by Joan someone??  Can anyone help with info
about the book.  I can tell it sure is controversial.  Thanks


Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:11:55 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: USAG fax number

There is no fax.
The phone is (800) 4usa-gym.


Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:23:02 +0100
From:    ***@MICRONET.IT
Subject: Re: Boginskaya

I've been lurking for two weeks, being in Sabae. Sorry, but I can
participate only now on some old discussions.

>Yesterday's _l'Equipe_ ran an article about Boginskaya ("Svetlana,
>Already the Queen of Sabae").  Here's a recap:
>Not all of Boginskaya's compatriots are happy about her return, claiming
>that she's doing it only for the money she could get in appearance fees
>later on.  She replies, "The words of people don't interest me.  I'm here
>because Belarus needs me.  Why should I refuse?"

It's a not a scandal in considering gymnastics as a remunerative sport. If
Svetlana could have the chance to take money thanks to her 16th AA place,
why not? For example, all the World's apparatus winners are participating in
theese hours at two exhibitions in Tokyo and Osaka, taking 4,000 yen each. I
think they deserve it.

About Bogie, she has to decide if following with Brown's or going back to


Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:23:18 +0100
From:    ***@MICRONET.IT
Subject: Re: Worlds

This is the FIG's official communication (source: Fig Flash, newsletter for
press) about the qualifying mechanism to Atlanta.

- the whole top 12 teams;
- 3 individuals from the teams ranked 13, 14 and 15 in '95 Sabae WGC;
- 2 individuals from the teams ranked 16, 17 and 18 in '95 Sabae WGC;
- 3 individuals chosen by each of the 4 Continental Associations (i.g.,
African   Union will send to Atlanta the top 3 of AA in Harare) = total of 12;
- 4 wild cards for individuals chosen by FIG's Technical Committee, IOC or
the    Association of the National Olympic Committees. It could be the case
of   Aleksey Demianov, the rus-croatian who missed the qualification to the
rings    final beacuse of an unbelievable mistake during the compulsories
(he stopped    only 1 second, instead of the requested two, on cross) but is
one the best   competitors in that apparatus.

On 4/10/95 Rachele wrote:

>Just a note to say that I know Adriana is correct for the team
>placements earning individual bertsh to the Olympics.  I don't know
>about the "9 more" part but hey, it sounds good.  ;)

>Also, countries who do not qualify as teams but do have individual
>berths DO get to pick their representatives.

>| > Sabae is the qualifier for the team -- all of the countries that have a
>| > team make it in the top 12 will be able to send a team to represent them at
>| > the olympics -- After that you have to be in the top 35 individuals and not
>| > have your team (country) make it, then you (the individual) may represent
>| > your country in the olympics.
>| Unless something has changed, it's the top 24, not the top 35
>| individuals -- 3 from the countries placing 13, 14, and 15; 2 from the
>| countries placing 16, 17, and 18; plus 9 more by score with a max of 1
>| per country.  And I *think*, but I'm *not* sure, that teams 13-18 can
>| decide later on who the 2 or 3 will be just as the top 12 can decide
>| later who will be on their team.
>| :)
>| Adriana


Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:55:37 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: gymnastics magazines

Can Someone please tell me the names and addresses of the 4or 5 major
gymnastics magazines.  I know some of this info was given before, but as I
was reading it, good old
aol disconnected, and the info was lost.  Thanks a lot.  Kathy :)


Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:10:47 -0400
From:    ***@PANIX.COM
Subject: Ludivine Furnon

Yesterday's _l'Equipe_ ran a little story about Ludivine Furnon (FX
bronze medalist in Sabae).

-  She's 15 years old, 1.42 cm and 36 kg.  At the '94 French Natls.
   she was 1st on B and 3rd on UB and FX.

-  Her current coach is Nelu Pop, a Romanian, and her first coaches
   were Sergiu and Tatiana Popa (Romanians who used to coach Gogean).

-  She began gymnastics 3.5 years ago (!).  Only 14 months after she
   began, she placed 2nd at the French Jr. Nationals.

-  She currently trains in her hometown of Nimes but will transfer
   to the center in Marseille in January.

-  She was the first alternate for the FX final but got to compete
   when Shannon Miller withdrew.

-  For a while, Furnon was in the lead but "I didn't believe it would
   last, because 3 more girls were still to compete."



Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:46:43 CDT
From:    ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject: Shannon's music

Does anyone know the name of Shannon Miller's music?



Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:13:15 -0500
Subject: Worlds Commentary

Date sent:  12-OCT-1995 16:08:06

I'm surprised that discussion hasn't swamped this forum yet. :) Oh, well,
here are a couple of quick comments.

1)The Chinese men and women certainly have a lot to look forward to in
Atlanta. Could we possibly see one team sweep both titles yet again, only
this time its the Chinese? The men certainly are quite sharp, and the
Chinese women are only about one step away from the gold. The women
especially intrigued me, from what I saw. Sharp, quick movements, clean
lines, amplitude, risk...mmm...they have it all.

2)The US men and women will have long hauls on their home court. The women
will have a lot of pressure on them, but I forsee a silver or bronze in
their future. A gold is possible, but they will need to hit everything, and
step it up a notch from this year. With Borden, Dawes and Powell back, they
will have a strong team, but I don't think they have quite enough.

3)A quick congratz to Moceanu for the silver on beam. I'm happy to see her
get the international recognition before the games. 5th all-around, silver
on beam, who did this in 1991...Tatiana Gutsu. The same? Could be, if
Moceanu continues to clean up her form.


Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:46:31 CDT
From:    ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject: tough moves

I saw the first double twisting double layout at worlds, some Chinese
guy, that I have ever seen?  Does anyone know who it is named after?
Has anyone ever seen a layout full-in layout full-out?



Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:30:01 -0600
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Back issues of CGA-L

| Subject:      Title IX on the web
| I'm not sure if this listserv is set-up to retrieve
| previous postings, Rachele?

Previous postings of CGA-L can be retrieved via anonymous ftp, gopher,
or WWW.

The ftp/gopher site is, directory /pub/gymn/cga-l.

That ends in an L, not a 1.  The directory is updated at my
convenience (ie once a week or so) with digests.

You can reach this via the Gymn pages on the WWW and clicking on
several links ("More about Gymn", "Archives", "cga-l").  Perhaps Joe
could facilitate this buy putting a link directly to the ftp site on
the Title IX pages.

By the way, I want to point out that these Title IX pages are an
outstanding resource of information.  Good job, Joe.



Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:36:50 -0600
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: explanation of that last msg

I didn't plan to send that last msg before this one... sorry.

At any rate, I wanted to announce that a new gymnastics-related
listserv is up and running.  Has been, for a couple weeks now.  It is
hosted by the Collegiate Gymnastics Assocation, which is the men's
gymnastics collegiate coaches organization.  The listserv is intended
to facilitate announcements and discussion concerning Title IX, gender
equity, amateur Olympic sports' existence at the collegiate level,
etc.  It was started because of the serious threat that men's
collegiate gymnastics faces in the USA.  The listserv is not limited
to gymnastics -- there are some wrestlers on the listserv too.  Any
interested in the issues are welcome to join.

To subscribe to the listserv send an email addressed to, and in the BODY, write

sub CGA-L Full Name

And as I specified in my last msg, back issues are available.



Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 19:50:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Bogin$kaya

>It's a not a scandal in considering gymnastics as a remunerative sport. If
>Svetlana could have the chance to take money thanks to her 16th AA place,
>why not? For example, all the World's apparatus winners are participating in
>theese hours at two exhibitions in Tokyo and Osaka, taking 4,000 yen each. I
>think they deserve it.

I'm charmed to hear about the exhibitions.  But 4,000 yen is about $50
Canadian (about 75 Yen = Cdn $1), not even enough for train fare from Tokyo
to Osaka, or two copies of the ORU (Japanese origami magazine). And at
least one-tenth of what figure skaters get.


Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 19:52:03 -0400
Subject: worlds questions

I have a question regarding qualifying to the all-around from the team
competition.  Will there be a way for gymnasts who are not competing all
8 events in the team portion of the Olympics to still qualify into the
all-around.  It is conceivable that a country, like the US women had last
week, in which only 3 gymnasts have the chance to make it to the AA
because they are the only ones who compete each event.  I
think it would be very unfortunate for someone like Kerri Strug to get
taken out of one event, and thus not have the chance to make it to the
AA.  Someone like Moceanu or Miller could fall in the team competition
and still qualify over her if she had to count a zero.  With all of the
politics in team coaching, I would hate to see the more powerful coaches
securing their gymnasts all-around births merely by the way they organize
the team line up.

P.S.  Does anyone know if ABC will ever air the EF?  I want to see Dom M.
win that silver medal:-)


Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:03:29 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Worlds Commentary

>The women will have a lot of pressure on them, but I forsee a silver or
>in their future.  A gold is possible....

and, later on

>...I don't think they have quite enough...

If they don't have enough, then how can they win a team medal of any kind?
 That doesn't make much sense.

>...but they will need to hit everything, and step it up a notch from this

Even though the US will profit from the home advantage, any team that hopes
to take the gold will need to hit everything.  And I think that the US women
could have placed higher in Japan if Dawes, Borden, Miller, etc. weren't
injured.  So maybe they don't have to "step it up a notch" but just recover
from their injuries and the team will be stronger immediately.

>5th all-around, silver on beam, who did this in 1991...Tatiana Gustu.  The
>Could be, if Moceanu continues to clean up her form.

I don't think so. There is too much that needs to be cleaned up for her to be
considered equal to Mo, Podkopayeva, Khorkina, Kochetkova, Miller, Borden,
Phelps, etc., etc., etc., who are all better in every way.  I think that
Moceanu is an excellent example of how having a famous coach can sometimes
earn you extra points with the judges...



Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:12:18 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: A Silly Article

Dear Gymners,
      I know that this topic has probably been discussed to it's end when
Joan Ryan's book came out, but i am relatively new on the list so mplease
forgive me for my comment if it's already been discussed.  Everyone seemed to
have nothing but criticism over her book, but i for one reallly enjoyed
hearing her point of view.  Afterall, what is this forum: a place where
everyone can express his or her point, without having  cynical sarcasm about
her particular point.  I for one do not believe that Karoyli has never said
anything to any of those girls about their weight.  Just because Ryan's book
is one sided does not mean that Kristy Philips, Erica Stokes or the Henrich
family was lying.  so before the one of you makes a rude comment about her
particular viewpoint, take a minute to consider that maybe she is telling the
truth, and maybe we all do need to look at our beloved sport a little closer.

Just my 2 cents,


Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 19:24:14 -0500
Subject: Eating Disorders articles

Date sent:  12-OCT-1995 19:21:26

Err...that is article. I offered to post the article on here, but Rachele
asked me to offer it through private email simply because of the amount of
email that the listserv is handling. So, if anyone wants a copy right away,
please mail me and I'll send it and let you mull it over. I think its a
pretty good article. I'm trying to get it submitted in a journalistic
writing competition, which I think it stands a good chance of getting
accepted to. It deals not only with gymnastics, but eating dosorders in
sports in general.

Mail me if you are interested.


Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 21:47:43 -0400
Subject: EF on TV

As far as I know, ABC will be airing the event finals in February. A long wait,
but but better than nothing at all. :)



Date:    Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:04:00 MDT
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Email address for 60 minutes

Took a quick peek at the WWW and found the email address for 60 Minutes.
Those wishing to express their comments about the segment on Sunday about
gymnastics can write to

This is the address that is given for comments regarding shows, programming,
and so forth.



End of GYMN-L Digest - 11 Oct 1995 to 12 Oct 1995 - Special issue