GYMN-L Digest - 9 Nov 1995 to 10 Nov 1995

There are 16 messages totalling 374 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. IBM Atlanta Gymnastics Invitational
  2. Who was that girl (2)
  3. Zmeskal (2)
  4. Neil Thomas
  5. Olympics Watch
  6. After Gymnastics...
  7. Age requirement...
  8. Age Requirements. (2)
  9. e-mail
 10. Amy Jackson article
 11. How do you? (2)
 12. Olympic Gold CD-ROM


Date:    Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:09:17 -0700
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: IBM Atlanta Gymnastics Invitational

Hooray!  Gymn will be covering the IBM AGI, aka "Pre-Olympics",
November 16-17.  The Gymn reporters will be Rachele and George (if he
can get the vacation time!), and the Gymn photographer will be Debbie. 

We will publish her AGI photos on the Gymn WWW pages soon after
the conclusion of the meet.  As I did at USA Nationals and World
Trials, I will be sending the results to Gymn from the press room
directly after the close of competition.

Following is the official list of competitors as of 11/9/95.


IBM Atlanta Gymnastics Invitational
16-17 November 1995
Georgia Dome, Atlanta, GA, USA


Thursday, 16 November
6:00pm - 8:30pm         men: FX, PH, SR; women: VT, UB

Friday, 17 November
6:00pm - 8:30pm         men: VT, PB, HB; women: BB, FX


Svetlana Boguinskaya (BLR)
Elena Piskoun (BLR)
Ji Liya (CHN)
Liu Xuan (CHN)
Laetitia Begue (FRA)
Elvire Teza (FRA)
Miho Hashiguchi (JPN)
Risa Sugawara (JPN)
Alexandra Marinescu (ROM)
Mirela Turgurlan (ROM)
Roza Galieva (RUS)
Elena Grosheva (RUS)
Joanna Juarez Roura (ESP)
Mercedes Pacheco Del Barrio (ESP)
Oksana Knijnik (UKR)
Lyubev Sheremeta (UKR)
Mohini Bhardwaj (USA)
Katie Teft (USA)

Andrei Kan (BLR)
Vitaly Rudnitsky (BLR)
Krasimir Dunev (BUL)
Jordan Jovtchev (BUL)
Huang Huadong (CHN)
Peter Nikiferow (GER)
Oliver Walther (GER)
Masayoshi Maeda (JPN)
Masanora Suzuki (JPN)
Hong-Chui Yeo (KOR)
Alexei Bondarenko (RUS)
Eugeny Podgorni (RUS)
Rustam Sharipov (UKR)
Alexander Svetlichny (UKR)
Mihai Bagiu (USA)
Jair Lynch (USA)
Kip Simons (USA)
Blaine Wilson (USA)

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Date:    Thu, 9 Nov 1995 22:39:41 -0600
From:    ***@CARLETON.EDU
Subject: Who was that girl

I was just wondering who it was that won the McDonalds cup either
last winter or the winter before.  I know she was a member of the
Aerials. -Meg


Date:    Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:21:50 -0500
Subject: Zmeskal

Fellow Gymners,
It was brought to my attention that I was mistaken about Kim Zmeskal's
performance at an exhibition...I guess she did perform some top=line
moves.  I am sorry to all of those who I may have "offended".  But, I do
recall, and a few others I have spoken to, that she fell off beam more
than once.  Anyway, my biggest concern, I guess you could say, is that
she will take the place of someone else who hasn't been to an Olympics.
I hope I have been able to clarify my feelings.  Feel free to write me in
Gymnastically Yours,


Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:38:26 GMT
From:    ***@M4-ARTS.BHAM.AC.UK
Subject: Neil Thomas

Sorry, forgot to post this after the weekend.

This may be old news that I've missed, but I heard on the local news
here on Friday that Neil Thomas was quitting.  I didn't catch all of
it, being surrounded by mad noisy footie fans in my boyfriend's flat
at the time (!), but there was a short interview with him in which he
said that the time had come to quit (and the usual retirement-type
things) and he was interested perhaps in coaching or in the
promotional side of the sport.

Did anyone else catch this or know what's happening? I knew I hadn't
seen him competing at the Worlds.



Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:38:48 -0500
From:    ***@YALE.EDU
Subject: Re: Zmeskal

Anyway, my biggest concern, I guess you could say, is that
> [Zmeskal] will take the place of someone else who hasn't been to an

So will Miller, Dawes, and Strug.  And why shouldn't they?  The way you
put it, it's as if the place already belongs to someone else who is
losing something that is rightfully hers, and I just can't agree with that.



Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:14:15 -0600
Subject: Olympics Watch

Yes,  I typed Gordon for Borden!!

Sorry, it was late.



Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:23:22 -0400
Subject: After Gymnastics...

Around here, I have seen gymnasts go to trampolining and freestyle skiing.
John Ross and Anna Fraser are two local gymnasts who won World Cup Freestyle
events.  John also won a trampolining world championship.  Most of these
people are simply insane.

A number of athletes from my club, Nepean-Corona, have gone to Spring
Action Trampoline Centre and competed at Age group Worlds in Portugal.
A couple of girls have gone to diving and are doing well at the national

My case is a bit backwards.  I swam & dove BEFORE gymnastics.
I did trampoline for a year in between provincial and university level
gymnastics.  After a few detours into racquet sports and soccer, I'm now
figure skating -- something I've always wanted to do but couldn't afford
when I was a kid.  Ah, the second childhood is as happy as the first!




Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:26:45 -0500
Subject: Age requirement...

Why was the age requirement raised from 15 to 16, after the Atlanta
Olympics?  I don't think that is going to have a very good effect.  There
are a lot of "youngsters" that are up and coming that could end up
peaking before they are eligible for the next Olympics.  One example
could be Mina Kim.  I know that a lot of girls are starting to stay in
gymnastics longer, but a lot of girls are getting to be top competitors
at younger ages, i.e. Dominique Moceanu, and before her it was Kerri
Strug.  Hopefully this doesn't reduce the "supply" of very skilled,
deserving girls.  If I am not mistaken, didn't Phoebe Mills "peak" before
she had a chance to compete in an Olympics?
Gymnly Yours,


Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:15:13 -0500
From:    ***@STYX.IOS.COM
Subject: Re: Who was that girl

   I think you are referring to Kristy Powell who won the 1995 American
Cup.  The year before Dominique Dawes won. I wonder which American will
win this year.


> I was just wondering who it was that won the McDonalds cup either
> last winter or the winter before.  I know she was a member of the
> Aerials. -Meg


Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:02:43 -0500
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Age Requirements.

I agree with what was said.  When IG talked about Mina Kim's problem, and
she said that she will stay healthy  and active and so on; the first that
 came to me is how is she going to do this when Sydney is in 2000 and
 it is only 1995.  Is there a championship in 1997? Who will make up the
 US team then?
Will we finally see Vannesa Alter, Gail, Alexis and Mina Kim then?  Will
the "vetrens" of the 96  Olympics , have to go through the same question
as  i.e Borden Dawes Miller Strug and who ever else  are supposedly  going
through now?
        All I know is from what I read on Gymn and in IG there could be a
potential problem.6666


Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:34:15 -0600
Subject: Re: Age Requirements.

You'll recall that the age requirement was changed in the 1970's. I think it
prevented Nadia from competing in some meets. That change went through and
I am sure it effected her, one of the all time greats. I am in favor of an
age change, since it might prevent too intense training too early and then
fade away (example: Elena Gurova.)

Don't get me wrong. Alot of great gymnasts were child prodigies. But the
bulk were not, and should not be forced to be so just to compete. Some
gymnasts, and I believe there was a discussion about this in the past on
this list, peaked later in their careers. Some even in college. I think
it is favorable to the athlete to increase age requirements to prevent
early burn-out.


Never EVER trust anyone with YOUR gymnastics tickets!!


Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:09:40 -0500
Subject: e-mail

Dear Friends,

        I have changed my e-mail address once again!  It is:


        If you don't hear from me for a few days, it's because I've messed
up my e-mail dialer again!  I hope you get this!



Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:34:18 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Amy Jackson article

In my new Seventeen magazine, there is a long article about Amy Jackson.  It
tells about her depression, hatred for the sport, and her father's obsession
with it.  The bad part is it had a quote from Joan Ryan! It breifly explains
about the book.  It has two cute pictures of Amy when she was about nine.
 One of them is of her team and little Kim Zmeskal was in it too.  I didn't
post it cuz it was way too long and it's against Gymn rules.  Okay, back to
Bye bye,
Anne ;)


Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:40:02 -0600
From:    ***@VIPER.NET
Subject: How do you?

I was wondering on how one becomes a compulsory judge?...what all must you do
and how hard is it.



Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:43:48 -0800
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: Olympic Gold CD-ROM

I picked up a copy of "Olympic Gold: A 100 Year History of the Summer
Olympic Games" in Egghead Software today.  It's a multimedia CD-ROM for
Windows which has results of *all* Summer Olympic events from 1986 to
1992.  Also included are 2 winter sports, figure skating and ice hockey.

The gymnastics section is very thorough, including a history of the sport,
a "rule book" mentioning some of the requirements for each apparatus
(along with their dimensions), and a list of every medalist.  It is
illustrated with numerous photos and 4 video clips (Chukarin's PH from the
'56 Games; Caslavska highlights from '68; Comaneci '76; and Retton '84).

It's also possible to search the "athletes" section for individual gymnasts'
results.  Some of these bios are accompanied by smallish photos.  I found
it kind of strange that there were no photos for some AA winners -- Gutsu,
Scherbo, Gushiken, and Davydova for example.

In any event, I think that this CD-ROM could keep one busy for months,
and that the $40 price is well worth it. :)



Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 1995 21:07:01 -0500
Subject: Re: How do you?

At 07:40 PM 11/10/95 -0600, you wrote:
>I was wondering on how one becomes a compulsory judge?...what all must you do
>and how hard is it.
        First you should get in touch with a gym near you so you can watch
the kids do their routines, and you will need to talk with you're states
"head Judge"- they assign the judges to the meets.  Basically you just need
to pass a test for each of the levels which is given a few times a year
depending on where you are.  Once you pass the test you have to practice
judge twice- unpaid (but you can also do it before you're tested).  To
actually judge you must be a professional member of USA Gymnastics, and your
states judges association.  And of coarse you'll need the mandatory blue
suite.  They don't tell you that you need to buy the compulsory book, but it
is usefull. I don't think the test is that hard, especially if you've
watched a lot of gymnastics.
I hope this helps.



End of GYMN-L Digest - 9 Nov 1995 to 10 Nov 1995