GYMN-L Digest - 9 Jan 1996 to 10 Jan 1996

There are 15 messages totalling 545 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. national centres
  2. skill values
  3. IRC Chat
  4. RSG: Petrova (2)
  5. Doni Thompson
  6. Beam Dismounts (2)
  7. Bill Sands' article
  8. Moceanu's hop on FX
  9. IG
 10. Elite Canada Sr Telecast (long)
 11. Vitaly Scherbo's wife
 12. 1995 Aloha Gymfest results-at last
 13. 1995 Aloha Gymfest Level 8/9 results


Date:    Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:07:23 +0100
From:    ***@MICRONET.IT
Subject: national centres

Can anyone help me in this kind of research? I'm writing an article about
the National women technical centre in Milan, built, like the one in Deva
(Rom), to prepare the italian team for OGs, Worlds and Europeans. I'd like
to know where and when centres like this have been created in other countries.

Thank you.



Date:    Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:13:20 +0000
From:    ***@CS.BHAM.AC.UK
Subject: skill values

I've always thought that gym difficulty values were a little on the arbitrary
side. In trampolining each 1/4 somersault rotation (judged by change in upper
body position), and each 1/2 twist rotation gets a tariff (difficulty) of
0.1. There is also an extra 0.1 for piked or straight shapes in non-twisting
single somersaults, and 0.1 for each whole somersault in a double (or
triple), regardless of twist.

So a back somersault gets 0.4 and a 2 1/2 twist 0.5 (to use the current
gym examples). Isn't this more sensible than having moves graded in what
appears to be an semi-arbitrary fashion?



Date:    Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:18:12 -0500
Subject: IRC Chat

I know a lot of people were wondering how to connect to IRC.  If you have
Netscape, please e-mail me and I will send you great instructions and the
place to download the software.  I went to the chat for the first time
last night, and it was great!!


Date:    Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:13:13 -0800
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: RSG: Petrova

The following comes from a small paragraph in Friday's (Jan. 5) issue of

Maria Petrova has announced that she will not participate in the
Atlanta Olympics.  She said she "felt tired".  But at a celebration for
the 10 best Bulgarian sportspersons [Petrova was ranked 4th], Neshka
Robeva said that Petrova would be in Atlanta...



Date:    Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:35:23 -0800
Subject: Doni Thompson


        I'm new to GYMN. I was wondering about Doni Thompson. I have
heard from IG that she has recently retired. Is she plagued by injuries
or is just tired of the sport? I have been following her performances
ever since her debut on junior championship. She seems too young to
already have given up on the sport. The US National Team will certainly
miss her spunky charm and great talent in the Olympics and future
competitions. I know I will.

Chayanin M.


Date:    Tue, 9 Jan 1996 20:34:25 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Beam Dismounts

> I think that the D rating for the 2 1/2 twist is fair, but
>not for the double back.  I believe that the double back should have a C
>value.  A 2 1/2 twist is much more difficult and requires more air sense.

No way!  I do think the front landing on the 2 1/2 twist makes it hard enough
to be a D, but just think about how much power a gymnast has to have to be
able to rotate a double back off a surface 4 inches wide!  Landings aren't



Date:    Tue, 9 Jan 1996 20:39:54 -0500
From:    ***@WCHAT.ON.CA
Subject: Bill Sands' article

There was an article written by Bill Sands on the book "Little Girls in
Pretty Boxes" and I was wondering if anyone has read it or if they have
access to a copy of it.  Please e-mail me if you know anything about it.


Date:    Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:13:22 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Beam Dismounts

In a message dated 96-01-09 20:52:40 EST, you write:

>No way!  I do think the front landing on the 2 1/2 twist makes it hard
>to be a D, but just think about how much power a gymnast has to have to be
>able to rotate a double back off a surface 4 inches wide!  Landings aren't
Yes, but if a souble back was  a C, then a full in and a 2 1/2 twist and
triple twist could be D's, leaving E for really unique skills, as in a double
front, or a double double.


Date:    Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:44:19 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Moceanu's hop on FX

I noticed that back at the end of Nov and beginning of Dec, folks started
discussing Dom's hop after a pass on FX.  I thought I had read on this list
that it was something like this:  in a previous competition, she completed a
pass that had given her trouble.  She was so excited that she kinda jumped
with excitement.  Bela thought the judges and crowd found it cute, so they
added it as part of the routine.  Somebody else might want to confirm this
for me, though.

Dave "just trying to help out" the Watchdog


Date:    Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:45:17 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: IG

On Dec. 7, Beth Squires wrote an explanation about IG's lack of international
coverage.  Although I agree that having a small staff would make it difficult
to write reports on ALL meets, I can't help but to feel that they should be
trying to implement the following cycle:  small magazine starts publishing
and some people subscribe; magazine increases coverage to attract more
subscribers; with more subscribers comes more advertising; with the added
revenue, the mag expands staff and improves quality (more photos, etc.);
 this results in more subscribers....

Although I am not yet a subcriber to IG ( I just moved, so I was waiting to
sign up for some gym mags. ), it sounds like many people on this list get it,
so I'm curious what their circulation is.  If they're aiming for an intnl.
target readership, then I would think they'd be open to intnl. advertisers.
 Also, don't they get any support from the intnl. gymn. organizations?

Dave the Watchdog


Date:    Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:53:16 -0400
Subject: Elite Canada Sr Telecast (long)

For the other 495 of you who don't get Rogers Cable...

This is what was shown in today's telecast of the Elite Canada Senior High
Performance (Day Two) competition on December 9, 1995.  The telecast was 1.5
hours long, pretty well commercial-free.  The hosts were Carol Orchard (on
"loan" from CBC) and Frank Stanicsi of Rogers Community 10.

Marilou Cousineau on vault - Hristakieva, big side step on 1st, long wait,
small hop on 2nd.  18.55

They only showed total Day 1 + Day 2 scores...

Natalie Barrington on beam - wobble on gym series, good layout layout,
scissor leap to flic-quarter, fall on front salto, double back dismount.
They don't show replays in slow motion...

Jennifer Exaltacion on beam - low front salto so no direct connection to jump,
standing layout layout, not quite Bo jump, pause, another Bo, double back
dismount (this is new). 18.525

Lena Degteva on bars - nice piked Jaeger, Tkatchev, but over-rotated
(rolled) the 1.5 front dismount.  17.40

Shanyn MacEachern on bars - her 2 giant fulls look like she should be able
to do hops, falls on a rather crooked Gienger, Frank keeps calling her
because the scorer misspelled almost everyone's name, her double-layout is great
but with small feet separation. 18.75

Jaime Hill on beam - ff layout ff, wobble on a double stag jump, switch 1/4,
wobble on straddle 1/2 jump, walkover-like flic-quarter lower to almost
planche, front full dismount.  17.15

Veronique Leclerc on vault - front pike with cush mat not open before
landing, 2nd vault was off-centre.  18.70

Annie Leclerc on beam - front tuck on, fish jump, pause fish jump, double
stag jump, ff layout, sheep jump, switch leap - fish jump, front tuck, fish
jump - ff, straddle jump straddle jump, front full dismount stuck.  18.425

Sia Kanellopoulos on floor - 2.5 back twist, frhs - front 1.5, frhs - front
full -punch front, frhs - front layout - punch front, exquisite dance &
nice gym
leaps & jumps, cat leap 2/1 to end.  18.85

Natalie Barrington on floor - frhs - fr full  - punch front, double back -
out of bounds, frhs - fr layout - punch front off centre.  17.85

Kim Allen on floor - double pike, frhs - layout - layout, 2.5 back twist,
plenty of 2/1 jumps, turns, & leaps.  18.00

Annie Leclerc on beam - punch double front!, fr - fr layout - punch front,
low but well-saved double tuck.  17.25

Jennifer Exaltacion on floor - double layout-pike (new for her),
over-rotated 2.5 back twist, frhs - fr full - punch front tuck.  18.825

Lena Degteva on beam - ff layout ff layout major wobble & bent legs, front
tuck, gainer ff-quarter to back support (new), double tuck dismount.

Jaime Hill on floor - the routine is only 1 week old! 1.5 turning fish
jump, frhs - fr full - fr layout, frhs - fr full - punch fr tuck, 2.5 back
twist - punch fr layout with a bit of pike.  18.40

Shanyn MacEachern on beam - front tuck mount fall, ff layout ff layout
fall, 2 flic-quarters, double tuck dismount.  17.70

Marilou Cousineau on bars - Gienger, piked Jaeger each to shoot overs,
double layout dismount rather piked and fall. 18.8

Chrissy Dumanski on beam - punch front, messy ff layout 2ft., swing front
tuck, ff ff double tuck.  17.75

Sia Kanellopoulos on vault - Yurchenko layout, neither stuck.  17.60

Natalie Barrington on vault - front tuck, both low, 2nd with a fall.  17.737

Kim Allen on vault - Yurchenko layout, 1st one stuck. 18.549

Jennifer Exaltaction on vault - front pike (new), no opening but 2nd one
stuck. 18.25

Lena Degteva on floor - Arabian double front out of bounds (new), frhs -
full - tuck, frhs - layout - tuck (across) steps out again, 2.5 back twist.

Jaime Hill on vault - front tuck, little hops, some cowboying.  18.474

Veronique Leclerc  on beam - front tuck mount, ff - layout - ff fall, front
tuck fall,   she was in 1st place before this, 2 straddle jumps, double
tuck dismount.  16.80

Marilou Cousineau on beam - front tuck mount, 2 straddle jumps, she's been
to 4 World Championships, switch leap quarter out, ff - ff - layout 2 ft.
fall, front tuck major wobble, full turn wobble, quarter in-quarter out
straddle jump, switch leap - gainer Chen flic, double tuck dismount.  18.15

Chrissy Dumanski on floor - double layout (2nd piked), triple turn, fr tuck
- frhs - layout - tuck,  double tuck.  18.15

They've skipped Shanyn MacEachern's gold medal-winning floor performance.

Natalie Barrington on bars - full in dismount with stumble

Kim Allen on bars - CBC is doing a special on her and a teammate ( they've
been following her around for a year for a documentary on the life of a
gymnast), everything's to handstand including a shoot over, double layout
dismount stuck.

Lena Degteva on vault - nice high Hristakieva.s 19.037

Jennifer Exaltacion on bars - Tkatchev, smooth swing and good form, toe on
front half dismount. 18.85

Jaime Hill on bars - Tkatchev, Gienger, toe on front half dismount stuck. 18.65

You can see Yvonne Tousek in her arm sling in the background.  She
dislocated her left elbow in practice on bars just days before Elite

Veronique Leclerc on floor - Arabian double front out of bounds?, frhs -
layout - layout, frhs - full.

Marilou Cousineau on floor - new 1st line: frhs - double tuck well-saved,
fr full - punch fr tuck - round off - 1.5 back twist, ro - whip - 1.5 back
twist - punch front, great choreography by Francine Bouffard.  17.85

Sia Kanellopoulous on bars - giant full - Tkatchev fall, another Tkatchev,
double pike dismount.  15.85

Hmmm... they didn't show Shanyn's gold medal-winning vaults either.

- Craig Stirton, President, Ontario Gymnastic Federation
- Lise Simard, Women's Program Director, Gymnastics Canada Gymnastique
- Brian McVey, Women's Technical Committee Chairperson, OGF
- Slava Corn, FIG board member and GCG Chairperson
- Shanyn MacEachern, AA winner - "had fun"

I wonder when Kim Allen's documentary will be on CBC Newsworld.  Perhaps
I'll see it on an Air Canada flight somewhere... (about the only time I ever
get to watch CBC Newsworld).

Please visit my www pages for full results:




Date:    Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:46:26 -0700
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Vitaly Scherbo's wife

>Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:51:03 -0500
>Subject: Vitaly Scherbo's wife
>Before Christmas, Irena Scherbo (who was an international-level tumbler in
>her day--not too many years ago) was in a terrible car accident. Nobody
>really knows what happened; she was on her way to get her hair cut, between
>State College and Woodward Gymnastics Camp, and she skidded off the road at
>a high speed and wrapped her car around a telephone pole. The car was
>literally sheared in half. Sitting in the driver's seat, one could stick
>his arm out the driver's side window and touch the back of the car. She's
>lucky to be alive.
>        Our local hospital could not help her b/c of internal injuries, so
>she was lifeflighted to a major medical center in Pennsylvania, where she
>remains in intensive care. She's not conscious, but reacts to Vitaly's
>presence, and can't breath on her own yet.
>        Many may know they have a young daughter. Fortunately Vitaly's
>mother had been visiting and is taking care of the baby.
>        Unfortunately, they had canceled their insurance just before the
>accident. I heard a *rumor* that some agency is picking up the bill, but
>can't confirm that yet. In any case, cards can be sent to:
>Irena and Vitaly Scherbo
>c/o Geisinger Medical Center
>100 North Academy Avenue
>Danville, PA  17822
>        If you have further questions, I can be reached at *** or
>814-863-1275. Woodward Gymnastics Camp is intimately involved:

Date:    Tue, 9 Jan 1996 20:32:38 -10
From:    ***@ALOHA.NET
Subject: 1995 Aloha Gymfest results-at last

Hello folks!  Finally got complete results on the 1995 Aloha
Gymfest(artistic).  Mahalo(Thank you) to Wendy Flath of Kokokahi
Gymnastics Club for providing the info.  Its pretty long so here

Team Results:  Senior Elite

1.  Toda City Sports Center, Japan 109.5
2.  Hawaii Gymnastics Academy, Honolulu, Hawaii 109.2
3.  Kokokahi Gymnastics, Kaneohe, Hawaii 107.75
4.  Clovis Academy of Gymnastics, California 106.82
5.  Australian Gymnastics Federation 105.85
6.  Earl's School of Gymnastics, UK 101.00
7.  Pantheon School of Gymnastics, California 100.325
8.  Northwest YMCA, Florida 87.475\


1.  Risa Sugawara, Toda City(Japan) 37.475
2.  Sara Harding, Hawaii Gymnastics Academy 37.175
3.  Tacia Labatte, Hawaii Gymnastics Academy 36.72
4.  Yuki Ohta, Toda City(Japan)  36.675
5.  Kristine Kaibara, Kokokahi Gymnastics 36.550
6.  Lauren Risenman Clovis Academy 36.550
7.  Bianca Wolloghan, Cromer(Australia) 35.875
8.  Denise Aurio, Kokokahi Gymnastics 35.65
9.  Dawn Taniguchi, Kokokahi Gymnastics 35.525
10.  Penny Glasson, Australian Gym Fed 35.375


1.  Risa Sugawara, Toda City(Japan) 19.15
2.  Tacia Labatte, Hawaii Gymnastics Acad. 18.975
3.  Yuki Ohta, Toda City(Japan) 18.85
4.  Michele Whitty, Australian Gym Fed 18.80


1.  Risa Sugawara, 19.175
2.  Sara Harding, 19.00
3.  Jesseca Conzen, Clovis Gym(California)  18.425
4.  Kristine Kaibara, Kokokahi 18.40


1.  Sara Harding, 18.45
2.  Lauren Riesenman, Clovis Gym(California) 18.30
3.  Risa Sugawara 18.150
4.  Tacia Labatte 18.00


1.  Risa Sugawara 19.525
2.  Tacia Labatte 18.975
3.  Sara Harding 18.915
4.  Yuki Ohta, Toda City(Japan) 18.675

If any of you want further info on who placed 5th to 10th in
apparatus finals, please email me and I will give you results.  See
next post on Level 8/9 competition results.


Date:    Tue, 9 Jan 1996 20:32:38 -10
From:    ***@ALOHA.NET
Subject: 1995 Aloha Gymfest Level 8/9 results

1995 Aloha Gymfest Level 8/9 competition results:

1.  Clovis Academy, California 108.6
2.  Toda City Sports Center "A", Japan 105.35
3.  Toda City Sports Center "B", Japan 104.675
4.  Cromer Gymnastics, Australia 103.825
5.  Pozsar's Gymnastics, California 102.75
6.  Washington Gymastics "A", Washington 102.7
7.  Hawaii Gymnastics Acad, Honolulu 102.3
8.  Central California Gymnastics, 100.8
9.  Chelsea Piers Gymnastics, New York 99.15
10.  Pantheon School of Gymnastics, California 99.10


1.  Brianna Pieroni, Clovis Academy(California) 35.90
2.  Jessica Blight, Cromer Gym(Australia) 35.775
3.  Kathy Jungman, Clovis 35.7
4.  Kumi Fugiwara, Toda City 35.7
5.  Toni Peterson, Clovis 35.35
6.  Taryn Francis, Clovis 35.3
7.  Asuka Sato, Toda City 35.025
8.  Aya Manabe, Toda City 34.8
9.  Nicole D'Aft, Cromer Gym 34.8
10.  Miyo Kubota, Toda City 34.75


1.  Taryn Francis, Clovis 18.35
2.  Jessica Blight, Cromer Gym 18.20
3.  Kumi Fugiwara, Toda 18.05
3.  Kerri Thomas, Central California Gym 18.05


1.  Asuka Sato, Toda 18.625
2.  Brianna Pieroni, Clovis 18.275
3.  Kumi Fugiwara, Toda 18.175
4.  Kathy Jungman, Clovis 18.1


1.  Kathy Jungman, Clovis 18.45
2.  Taryn Francis, Clovis 18.40
3.  Yoko Takahashi, Toda 17.90
4.  Kathryn Fong, Chelsea Piers Gym(New York) 17.80


1.  Taryn Francis, Clovis 18.40
2.  Toni Peterson, Clovis 18.325
3.  Kumi Fugiwara, Toda 18.175
3.  Tiffany Chin, Pozsar's, California 18.175

If any of you want more info on who placed 5th to 10th in apparatus
finals, please email me and I will forward.


Date:    Tue, 9 Jan 1996 20:32:38 -10
From:    ***@ALOHA.NET
Subject: Re: RSG: Petrova

Hi Debbie!

Regarding your post on Maria Petrova not participating in the Atlanta
Olympics because she "felt tired".  Well we've all heard that line
from her before so you can be sure we will see her in Atlanta.

I don't think her rivals are celebrating yet.


End of GYMN-L Digest - 9 Jan 1996 to 10 Jan 1996