GYMN-L Digest - 9 Dec 1995 to 10 Dec 1995

There are 11 messages totalling 404 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. Julissa Gomez, again
2. Yerchenkos
3. Yurchenkos, 1995 NCAA moves
4. IG
5. Dominique Moceanu
6. Current Talk: IG's lack of International Information
7. SI for Kids
8. 1995 Women's Elite Canada - Day 1
9. Psychological Effects.........
10. Vault: front on.
11. Girl's Optional Coach needed in New Mexico

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 08:47:19 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Julissa Gomez, again

I have had a few girls who have competed Yerchenko Vault. Because it demands
a very good roundoff it's margine for error in preflight is small. All
Yercenko vaults have the same start value as their "traditional" counterpart.
(Tsukes etc.)

I have all the girls in the gym training Yerchenkos (But only a few that
actually go over the horse, by training it I mean doing drills etc.) Lets
face it, if by training a Yerchenko and their round off gets better that will
help round offs on beam (Where the margine for error is even smaller) and of
course floor. Even my Pre-team kids do some of the drills.

I do not believe that it is a technically complicated vault, just scarey!

In this country only Level 10's and elites may compete a round off entry
vault. This vault is not aloowed at the college level yet but I do think that
it will be. By keeping it at the upper levels that sort of keeps it in the
hands of the more serious athletes.

The girls that I have had compete the vault (all were elites) trained the
vault for 12-18 months before they could do it with confidence.

The safety zone around the board is a must. Also there are some oversized
boards out there to help train the vault. A prerequisite I have is that the
girls must be able to 2/1 back before they can start going over the horse.
This way if they miss a hand (which happens on all vaults) they can pull it
around (WHEN IN TROUBLE DO A DOUBLE).

I have heard that they will devalue all round off entry vaults in the next
cycle.
A YERCHENKO TIMER is one of the vaults that must be shown to enter the elite
program starting this year. The timer is done to mats stacked up to the horse
hight. They must also demonstrate a handspring to stacked mats (they actually
have a choice between a tsuke or yerchenko timer).

Tony

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 08:51:24 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Yerchenkos

>I have had a few girls who have competed Yerchenko Vault. Because it demands
>a very good roundoff it's margine for error in preflight is small. All
>Yercenko vaults have the same start value as their "traditional"
counterpart.
>(Tsukes etc.)
>
>I have all the girls in the gym training Yerchenkos (But only a few that
>actually go over the horse, by training it I mean doing drills etc.) Lets
>face it, if by training a Yerchenko and their round off gets better that
will
>help round offs on beam (Where the margine for error is even smaller) and of
>course floor. Even my Pre-team kids do some of the drills.
>
>I do not believe that it is a technically complicated vault, just scarey!
>
>In this country only Level 10's and elites may compete a round off entry
>vault. This vault is not aloowed at the college level yet but I do think
that
>it will be. By keeping it at the upper levels that sort of keeps it in the
>hands of the more serious athletes.
>
>The girls that I have had compete the vault (all were elites) trained the
>vault for 12-18 months before they could do it with confidence.
>
>The safety zone around the board is a must. Also there are some oversized
>boards out there to help train the vault. A prerequisite I have is that the
>girls must be able to 2/1 back before they can start going over the horse.
>This way if they miss a hand (which happens on all vaults) they can pull it
>around (WHEN IN TROUBLE DO A DOUBLE).
>
>I have heard that they will devalue all round off entry vaults in the next
>cycle.
>A YERCHENKO TIMER is one of the vaults that must be shown to enter the elite
>program starting this year. The timer is done to mats stacked up to the
horse
>hight. They must also demonstrate a handspring to stacked mats (they
actually
>have a choice between a tsuke or yerchenko timer).
>
>Tony

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 10:36:56 -0600
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>=
Subject: Yurchenkos, 1995 NCAA moves

1) If proper safety precautions are being taken, why can't we
all consider this vault, at least to some extent, safe? Heck, Julissa's
accident happened before the safety mats were allowed. Both of the
examples (Gomez and Tierney) both happened with no safety mat. I
think, while the Yurchenko's are inherently scary (watch Marlowe's
at the 1988 Olympics) they are rather safe if trained properly, at
least judging from the people who are here.

2) Went back and rewatched the 1995 NCAA tape. Nicole Garrett of
Arizona DID throw a Hindorff (free hip reverse hecht) on bars. The
form on the release was fine, but the form afterwards was a bit of
a mess. AND...Kim Bonoventura of Alabama threw a Rufola (sp) on beam.
Very nice form.

3) Two more things on the NCAA's, then I am outta here. One, anyone
else notice that teams tend to get into certain types of dismounts?
Michigan threw a lot of punch front moves and Utah did alot of the
gainers off the side. Two, can someone tell me who is out there for
recruits, err...ummm...like who did OSU and ASU get? I found out the rest.

4) One more thjing.....anyone know where the following people have committed
to for NCAA yet?
1)Heather Brink
2)Mohini Bhardwaj
3)Elizabeth Reid
4)Maureen Kealey
5)Amy Chow (yes, she is getting up there)

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 17:42:50 +0100
From: ***@STH.FRONTEC.SE
Subject: Re: IG

> > While you have a point regarding the "international aspect", the majority
> > of subscribers are from the US and unfortunately for the forgein
> > subscribers business is business.
>
> On the other hand, though, the name of the magazine *is* _International
> Gymnast_. :) And there did used to be better coverage of non-US meets in
> the 1970's and 1980's, IMHO. Remember the good old days when we could
> look forward to reports about (or at least results from) Moscow News,
> Riga, Cottbus, Intl. Hungarian Champs., Balkan Champs., Kosice, various
> national champs., dual meets, etc.?


I think this is the strongest point in the discussion so far:
IG used to be better! A thousand color pictures cannot make up
for the fact that the magazine has abandoned its international
philosophy, and, as several people rightly have pointed out,
has turned into a promotional campaign for Paul Ziert's gymnasts.

/ Anja

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:55:53 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Dominique Moceanu

PJ Wrote:
>How did she make FX final in Sabae? Was it her exquisite dance >or her
state-of-the-art tumbling?



> -PJ

I think it was her state-of-the-art coach.

~Liz

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 18:13:55 +0100
From: ***@STH.FRONTEC.SE
Subject: Re: Current Talk: IG's lack of International Information

> Would be nice to see more international material, but I guess that there
> is less opportunity to send correspondents to teh four corners of the globe
> than to say the American Classic.


I'm sure there are good journalists in every country that would be
willing to sell their stuff to IG!


> Is there anyone from a non-US country (not canada, either) who knows of
> a source for such information to supply IG and others.


National federations? (Even Sweden has one!)


> You know, with the ever growing INTERNET and with the wealth of information
> obtained from this list about meets, I am surprised that they there can not
> be more information flowing to IG than there is now.

Very constructive suggestion - I hope someone from IG reads this.


/ Anja

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 12:14:08 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: SI for Kids

>Sports Illustrated for Kids (December) has a full page photo of Dominique
>Moceanu, accompanied by a short article that summarizes her career so far
and
>describes her relationship with Nadia. The magazine also contains a sheet
of
>sports cards, and one of them is of Dominique (picture on the front, vital
>stats and bio on the back).

Last year, (I think) there was an article in SI for Kids about Olympic
sports, and gymnastics had a big feature about skills to try, and streches to
do. On the cover, Jennie Thompson was in a spilt on the beam and Little Dom
was doing a straddle jump above her. The tittle was "1996 Olympic Hopefuls"
Dawn :)

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:32:44 -0600
From: ***@SASKNET.SK.CA
Subject: 1995 Women's Elite Canada - Day 1

Hey all. Here are complete results. I corrected a few spelling errors
of names from the official results. Also, I'm wondering about the club
affiliations of a few of the girls which may be incorrect. I didn't
bother proofreading all the scores but hopefully I didn't make any errors.

There appears to have been LOTS of mistakes and also keep in mind that
several of our top-ranked seniors did not participate. Note that we did
not bother with compulsories for the seniors (!!!) since we'll only
have three going to Atlanta. Thus several of the younger girls (that
otherwise likely would've gone junior) tried for senior.


1995 WOMEN'S ELITE CANADA
DECEMBER 8 & 9, 1995
SPORT SENECA - TORONTO, ON
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SENIOR HIGH-PERFORMANCE (Day 1 optionals) Vault Ubars Bbeam Floor Total

1. Shanyn MacEachern (Mississauga) 9.637 9.600 9.300 9.400 37.937
2. Veronique Leclerc (Richelieu) 9.325 9.650 8.550 9.250 36.775
3. Marilou Cousineau (Gymnix) 9.000 9.600 9.350 8.800 36.750
4t Jennifer Exaltacion (Winstonettes) 8.750 9.400 9.000 9.400 36.550
4t Natalie Barrington (Mississauga) 8.900 9.400 9.300 8.950 36.550
6. Annie Leclerc (Richelieu) 9.187 9.550 9.075 8.650 36.462
7. Kim Allen (Omega) 9.262 9.150 8.650 9.100 36.162
8t Chrissy Dumanski (Mount Royal) 9.350 8.500 8.900 9.050 35.800
8t Lisa Campagnola (Mississauga) 9.250 8.650 8.750 9.150 35.800
10. Krista Hirose (Panthers) 9.225 8.450 9.100 8.950 35.725
11. Jaime Hill (Mississauga) 9.162 9.250 8.000 9.250 35.662
12. Katie Rowland (Winstonettes) 9.050 8.950 8.300 9.350 35.550
13. Sondra Holmes (Altadore) 8.950 8.650 8.950 9.100 35.650
14. Michelle Sill (Panthers) 9.825 8.200 8.550 8.950 35.525
15. Celine Bisson (Richelieu) 8.950 8.850 8.500 9.100 35.400
16. Lena Degteva (Mississauga) 9.500 8.300 9.375 8.150 35.325
17. Kovia Lovell (Gym City S.C.) 9.300 8.700 8.300 9.000 35.300
18. Breanne Holmes (Altadore) 9.075 9.000 8.150 9.050 35.275
19. Marie-Claude Boucher (Gymnacentre) 8.300 9.500 8.150 8.700 34.650
20. Amelie Bourke (Gym TRM) 9.025 8.600 8.500 8.500 34.625
21. Genevieve Garneau (Gym-Alliance) 9.187 8.800 8.150 8.450 34.587
22. Sia Kanellopoulos (Mississauga) 8.500 7.550 9.000 9.500 34.550
23. Chantel Debert (Mount Royal) 8.325 8.700 8.850 8.600 34.475
24. Stevanna Yau (Bluewater) 8.675 8.450 8.650 8.600 34.375
25. Lori Cellupica (Gym City S.C.) 8.650 8.950 8.000 8.500 34.100
26. Josianne Levasseur (Gym TRM) 8.600 8.500 8.800 8.050 33.950
27. Melanie Montambault (Gym TRM) 9.375 8.400 7.350 8.800 33.925
28. Atlin Mitchell (Flicka) 8.725 8.300 7.950 8.850 33.825
29. Michelle Bruneau (Flicka) 8.300 8.450 8.100 8.750 33.600
30. Martine Dugrenier (Les Icares) 9.362 8.350 7.950 7.900 33.562
31. Christine Fortin (Club L'Envol) 8.750 7.150 7.500 8.550 31.950
32. Marie-Pascale Dore (Gym-Alliance) 8.975 6.200 7.950 8.550 31.675
33. Ashley Geris (Woodstock) 8.225 6.800 8.400 8.150 31.575
34. Annie Baillargeon (Club L'Envol) 8.275 7.000 7.700 8.000 30.975
35. Karine Marin (Gymnix) 0.000 0.000 8.150 8.450 16.600
36. Anne-Renee Samson (Gym-Alliance) 8.475 7.850 0.000 0.000 16.325
37. Genevieve Cliche (Gym-Alliance) 0.000 8.800 0.000 0.000 8.800



JUNIOR HIGH-PERFORMANCE (Day 1 optionals) Vault Ubars Bbeam Floor Total

1. Claudine Pinard (Richelieu) 9.200 9.300 9.300 8.850 36.650
2. Sarah Running (Bluewater) 9.200 9.400 8.350 9.400 36.350
3. Shannon Johnson (Mississauga) 9.150 9.000 8.550 8.950 35.650
4. Lise Leveille (Flicka) 8.550 9.000 9.300 8.650 35.500
5. Julie Beaulieu (Gymnix) 8.400 9.000 8.800 9.200 35.400
6t Alison Rudisi (Mississauga) 8.900 8.150 9.000 9.000 35.050
6t Crystal Gilmore (Cambridge) 8.650 8.550 8.850 9.000 35.050
8. Emillie Fournier (Gymnix) 8.550 9.000 8.350 9.125 35.025
9. Sherzel Weekes (Sport Seneca) 8.600 8.550 8.700 9.100 34.950
10. Desiree Day (Flicka) 8.850 8.550 8.550 8.850 34.800
11. Megan Dash (Marian) 8.200 8.850 9.000 8.650 34.700
12. Carly Dockendorf (Omega) 8.600 8.400 8.750 8.800 34.550
13t Jessika Houle (Gym TRM) 8.750 8.750 8.050 8.900 34.450
13t Myriam Prud'homme (Gymnix) 8.350 8.750 8.750 8.600 34.450
15t Michelle Conway (Sport Seneca) 8.200 8.900 8.100 9.200 34.400
15t Amelie Plante (Gymnix) 8.600 9.050 9.200 8.550 34.400
15t Laura McLaren (Winstonettes) 8.250 8.600 8.850 8.700 34.400
18. Jannifer Clark (Flicka) 8.550 7.850 9.250 8.700 34.350
19. Adrianne Begg (Marian) 8.600 8.550 8.100 8.850 34.100
20. Yuki Sudo (Flicka) 8.200 8.800 8.550 8.500 34.050
21. Sara Burtinsky? (Sport Seneca) 8.250 7.900 9.350 8.450 33.950
22. Tiffany Kwan (Winstonettes) 8.500 8.600 8.050 8.750 33.900
23. Amy Jordan (Sport Seneca) 8.350 8.250 8.500 8.600 33.700
24. Abby Pearson (Bluewater) 8.400 8.550 8.850 7.850 33.650
25. Jannelle Kolodka (Panthers) 8.500 8.550 8.750 7.800 33.600
26t Jessica Cronkhite (Island G.A.) 8.600 8.150 7.950 8.800 33.500
26t Elizabeth Vincente (Gymnix) 8.250 8.700 8.300 8.250 33.500
28. Audrey Perreault (Gym-Alliance0 8.800 8.100 7.850 8.650 33.400
29. Marie-Eve Marleau (Gymnova) 8.700 8.500 8.100 8.000 33.300
30. Caroline Lauzon (Gymnix) 8.600 8.550 7.500 8.400 33.050
31. Jennifer O'Neil (Gymelites) 8.250 8.500 7.500 8.700 32.950
32. Holly Manzer (Fredericton) 8.200 8.200 7.300 8.550 32.250
33. Melanie Mondou (Les Icares) 8.400 7.250 7.950 8.350 31.950
34. Susie Sules (Flicka) 8.500 7.800 0.000 0.000 16.300
35. Janice Creighton (Etobicoke) 0.000 7.200 0.000 0.000 7.200

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 13:23:35 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Psychological Effects.........

Jamie,
I'm sorry that you felt insulted by my statement. I was only trying to point
out that there was already something written that dealt with the very subject
that you were talking about. Have you read the book? If not, maybe you
should. I was merely trying to suggest that the positive things that
gymnastics brings to young boys and girls far outweighs the negatives. My
daughter has been doing gymnastics for four years. She started out doing
cartwheels and forward rolls one day a week. She is currently getting ready
to compete Level 9 which is a big accomplishment for someone who just turned
10 years old. She is a straight A student, has a strong work ethic, finishes
what she starts, knows what a proper diet is and on top of that she works out
20-22 hours per week. Her coach is a wonderful compassionate ex-Olympian who
knows first-hand what it takes to be an Elite gymnast. He doesn't pressure
them to "not" eat, he doesn't weigh them, and he never forces them to do
something that they are not ready for.
There are approximately 500,000 gymnasts in this country and only a
handful of them will ever make it to the Elite level and out of those Elite
gymnasts only a small percentage will have some psychological problem. If
you looked at ANY sport (baseball, football, basketball, soccer, etc.) you
would probably find the same percentage of psychological problems among the
Elite or Pro of those groups. The reason that so much emphasis is placed on
gymnastics is because the ones you and everybody sees on television are young
girls and people feel that this is some sort of exploitation. This is a
CHOICE and it is a SPORT.
I am not angry at YOU. I am just suggesting that something more POSITIVE
be written about gymnastics. I would be happy to talk to you further about
this and feel free to E-mail me again.

Sincerely,
Sherry (Gymnastics Mom)

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 14:04:08 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Vault: front on.

This was in the code in the 1980s, and I haven't seen the code since the
introduction of Ds (SCARY!). It said that any vault with a front somi
1 and 1/2 to thd horse from the board regardless of post flight was a
ten point vault. The dream vault I saw in the Code was a front on,
hect back somi off. Talk about one beautiful vault if ANYONE could ever
perform it.

Jeff


P.S. I thought that Nelli Kim wouldn't have been the first to do a
Tsuk on vault. But was she the first to do a Tsuk full?

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 18:28:55 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Girl's Optional Coach needed in New Mexico

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