GYMN-L Digest - 8 Jan 1996 to 9 Jan 1996

There are 13 messages totalling 363 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. North American International Auto show
  2. Keswick & Korobchinsky
  3. Olympic predictions
  4. Recent trends in women's FX
  5. Beam Dismounts
  6. UPCOMING EVENTS:  "Battle of the Sexes" & Dynamo Classic
  7. beam dismount value
  8. Elodie Lussac
  9. UPCOMING EVENTS: "Battle of the Sexes" & Dynamo Classic
 10. Elite Canada Senior Airing
 11. Electromyography
 12. PRESS RELEASE: Post-Olympic Tour
 13. Tickets for American Cup


Date:    Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:29:13 EST
From:    ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject: North American International Auto show

Well, I am sure you all looked at this header and said What!!

I went to the show yesterday and performing in the Chevorlet area
were Kurt Thomas, John Pena, Domminick M., Richard Grace, Wendy Bruce
and Brandy Johnson.  Every looked great, they did a 10-15 minute set
really promoting cars, but they also had the biggest audience in the
hall.  I got to speak with Brandy and Wendy, the guys all left, and
they were both happy to be in the show.  Brandy's ankle/ligament is
not well enough to continue a comeback and Wendy has left coaching to
do the show.

Wendy asked me to pass a message to her mom, so I hope you are
reading today.

"I love you and I am having fun"--Wendy.

If you all get an opportunity to visit Detroit before Jan 15th, take
the time to visit the auto show and see some gymnast.



Date:    Mon, 8 Jan 1996 12:21:54 -0600
Subject: Keswick & Korobchinsky

Does anyone know the current status of Scott Keswick and IgorKorobchinsky?
I believe Keswick had surgery for a back problem and Korobchinsky ruptured
both achilles tendons at Sabae.


Date:    Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:08:29 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Olympic predictions

I think that the American team has amazing depth right now, and definitely
has a legitimate shot at any color medal.  I love the Russians, and even
though they do have great depth, I just don't think they can keep up with
Romania, the U. S., and China.  Russia is the least consistent of the top
teams.  I think that Romania will win, and the
U. S. and China will take the two other medals.

Many gymnasts have a shot at the all around, including Miller, Moceanu,
Milosovici, Amanar, Mo, Khorkina, and Podkopayeva.  If Dawes is back to her
old standards this year, she should definitely be up there as well.  The same
goes for Kochetkova and Gogean.  I'm not as impressed with Marinescu as
everyone else seems to be, but who knows?  Although Mo has been the top
Chinese gymnast lately, I bet there is plenty of Chinese talent that could
outshine her.

The U. S. has a ton of serious team contenders, including Miller, Moceanu,
Phelps, Borden, Dawes, Chow, Bhardwaj, Powell, Strug, M. B. Arnold,
Kulikowski, and hopefully Zmeskal ( I hope her other three events are as good
as her floor.  Wow!  What a double layout! )  Let's not forget those gymnasts
right there on the edge, like Katie Teft, Andree Pickens, and Heather Brink.
 1996 might be their coming-out.

By the way, I was incredibly impressed by Mohini Bhardwaj at the Atlanta
International.  She has improved 100% since International Mixed Pairs.  Her
move to Brown's in Houston has helped her improve immensely, and it's only
going to get better!  She has increased her difficulty and she looked
polished, confident, and happy!


Date:    Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:08:39 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Recent trends in women's FX

Troy recently asked what skills people like and what they are tired
of seeing:

Although floor competition was incredibly boring in Birmingham, with all of
the front tumbling, I feel that it has steadily improved since then.  The top
gymnasts have managed to achieve a nice balance.  I love Podkopayeva's double
front barani-out!  I like Amy Chow's  Arabian double front barani-out, too,
but I have to concentrate hard to differentiate between it and a half-in
half-out, and sometimes I'm still not sure.  I'm not tired of double layouts
yet, but I hate seeing full-in or triple twist mounts from top competitors (
Dominique Moceanu ).  A triple twist may be an E, but it's just not on the
same level as a double layout or double front.  2 1/2 twist dismounts are a
As far as vaults go, I prefer traditional style vaults ( anything but
Yurchenkos ), but I absolutely love Khorkina's and Podkopayeva's vaults.
On beam and bars, I love anything original ( Khorkina! ).  Please!  Do some
release moves besides Tkatchevs and Giengers!  I also love interesting

What do ya'll think?


Date:    Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:12:32 -0500
From:    ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: Beam Dismounts


     There has ben some discussion about the rating of beam dismounts,
specifically double backs and
2 1/2 twists.  I think that the D rating for the 2 1/2 twist is fair, but
not for the double back.  I believe that the double back should have a C
value.  A 2 1/2 twist is much more difficult and requires more air sense.  I
know that girls in levels 8-10  get a 0.1 (maybe 0.2) bonus for doing a
dismount with a direction change (1/2, 1 1/2, 2 1/2).  Is the same true for

Gymnastically yours,



Date:    Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:03:18 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: UPCOMING EVENTS:  "Battle of the Sexes" & Dynamo Classic

"Battle of the Sexes" --

IMG has put together a meet along the lines of "Ice Wars" for gymnastics;
with teams of men and women competing against each other.

They will use actual rules (comp 1B for W --  I think -- and NCAA for men)
and have actual judges (though the crowd will factor in via applause meter).
The rest of the event is pure "made for TV" but all the cash ($1500 for the
"winners" and $1000 for the "losers")  goes to charity (Special Olympics).

A team of women (Moceanu, Zmeskal, Boginskaya, Mary Beth Arnold, Chow, &
Dawes are scheduled) will compete against the guys (Roethlisberger, Bagiu,
etc. -- all Americans) with 4 athletes going up on each event in a
head-to-head kind of battle (only the higher score counts, I believe).

Bart (men) and Nadia (women) will serve as the "coaches" for each team;
choosing who goes up on what event and when, as well as performing an
exhibition during the intermission.

It's scheduled for the 14th of January (this Sunday) in Reno, Neveda and will
eventually air on some cable outlet (don't know where, so don't ask me please
-- If I find out I'll let you know).

Sorry, that this is all the info I have, but I got this word of mouth from
someone who's not so great with details. If someone knows of any
additions/corrections to what I've stated please feel free to post it.

Dynamo Classic --

The Dynamo Classic (a huge level invitational) will be held in the Oklahoma
City Myraid this Friday (?) and Saturday night. At 9 pm on Saturday there
will be an "elite exhibition" featuring the top girls from the Dynamo Club.
The cost to get in to the exhib. is $12 for an adult.



Date:    Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:40:28 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: beam dismount value

> I
>bwelieve that a double back is  a B, while a 2 1/2 is a D.  Am I correct?
> Those ratings seem much more fair.

Actually, a double back on floor is a C, and many people feel that a 2 1\2
twist is very overrated as a D.  We all know that a 2 1\2 twist is not nearly
as hard as a full-in, which is also a D.
Honestly, I think the comparison of the difficulty of the two skills depends
on the gymnast.  In general, a taller gymnast finds twisting easier, while a
shorter gymnast is better able to get the rotation for a double back.



Date:    Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:40:33 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Elodie Lussac

> Does anyone know what happened to Elodie Lussac?  I first saw her at
>the 1994 Amercian Cup.  She was graceful and threw alot of diffuclty.  Then,
>I had heard that she had broken her zygomatic process (cheek bone) in a
>crash on one of the events.  What actually happened?  Did she return to

Lussac was injured at the 1994 Brisbane World Championships on a beam fall.
 A few weeks later, however, she was back in competition, competing three
events for the French team at the 1994 European Championships (France was
4th).  She also competed in the 1994 Dortmund Team World Championships
(France was 7th).  She did not compete in the 1995 World Championships.  I
don't know if she has retired.  Maybe she is injured again.


Date:    Mon, 8 Jan 1996 17:07:06 -0800
From:    ***@EFN.ORG
Subject: Re: UPCOMING EVENTS: "Battle of the Sexes" & Dynamo Classic

> "Battle of the Sexes" --
> IMG has put together a meet along the lines of "Ice Wars" for gymnastics;
> with teams of men and women competing against each other.
> A team of women (Moceanu, Zmeskal, Boginskaya, Mary Beth Arnold, Chow, &
> Dawes are scheduled) will compete against the guys (Roethlisberger, Bagiu,
> etc. -- all Americans) with 4 athletes going up on each event in a
> head-to-head kind of battle (only the higher score counts, I believe).

I have the good fortune to be attending this meet, so I will post a
description to gymn as soon as it's over.  Feel free to email me
questions next week about how everybody looked and what skills they
performed.  Any other gymners going?


Date:    Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:54:35 -0400
Subject: Elite Canada Senior Airing

Last week's Elite Canada broadcast on Rogers Cable showed only the
Junior High Performance Women's competiton.  The Senior HP competition
will be shown on Rogers Cable THIS WEEK:

Tuesday January 9: 12:30pm (Eastern)
Thursday January 11:  9:00am (Eastern)

As far as I know, this coverage is only available to Rogers Cable subscribers
in Ontario. For those outside the viewing area who are interested in writing
to Rogers, the address is:

Rogers Community 10
855 York Mills Road
Don Mills, Ontario
Canada   M3B 1Z1



P.S. You can see the results on my web page:


Date:    Mon, 8 Jan 1996 23:04:46 -0400
Subject: Electromyography


A judging friend has asked me to help her find some information "out there"
on electromyography and gymnastics.  I'm no neuro-surgeon so I really can't
describe in detail what it is -- only it has something to do with measuring
neuro-muscular response like an EKG.  I think we're looking for papers or
findings on electromyographs of gymnasts in particular. Not much came up
in my InfoSeek of "electromyography", so any hints would be greatly appreciated.




Date:    Mon, 8 Jan 1996 23:02:11 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: PRESS RELEASE: Post-Olympic Tour

The following is a section from a Jan. 8 press release courtesy of John

Note that the line stating that this is the "first ever nationwide
post-Olympic tour of gymnastic Olympic champions" is incorrect.  There was an
extensive tour in '92 as well that included Miller, Scherbo, Gutsu,
Boginskaya, Dimas, Kurt Thomas, Misiutin, and many others.




Dominique Dawes, Shannon Miller, Dominique Moceanu And Kim Zmeskal Among

John Hancock Financial Services today announced the first ever nationwide
post-Olympic tour of gymnastic Olympic champions.  The tour, which is
scheduled to begin in September 1996, will be held in 30 cities across the
United States, including, Boston, New York and Los Angeles.

Participants in the tour will include top U.S. Olympic hopefuls such as
Dominique Dawes, Shannon Miller, Kim Zmeskal, Dominique Moceanu and Scott

To give young gymnasts an opportunity to learn directly from the touring
Olympians, Hancock is also hosting clinics at which Olympic champions will
work with young gymnasts in many of the major cities where the tour is held.
 The clinics, which will be held free of charge, will give participating
children tips on technique and training from the athletes.

The tour will begin directly after the summer Olympics, to give Americans a
chance to experience first hand some of the excitement of the Olympic games,
which most will only be able to watch on television. The clinics will also
give aspiring young athletes, who would normally not have the opportunity, a
chance to interact with Olympic champions.

"Other than the opening ceremony, gymnastics is the most popular event among
spectators at the Olympics," according to David F. D'Alessandro, John
Hancock's senior executive vice president.  He also noted that, "The number
of competitive female gymnasts has doubled in the past decade to more than
50,000, reflecting the growing interest in the sport among young athletes."


Date:    Mon, 8 Jan 1996 23:32:27 -0600
From:    ***@ACM.ORG
Subject: Tickets for American Cup

How do I get tickets for the upcoming American Cup in Ft. Worth?  Does
anyone have the phone number?



End of GYMN-L Digest - 8 Jan 1996 to 9 Jan 1996