GYMN-L Digest - 7 Apr 1996 to 8 Apr 1996

There are 17 messages totalling 358 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Answers for Heather
  2. Judges payments. WAG
  3. Reduced airfare to Atlanta?
  5. MAG: Vault. (2)
  6. GYMN-L Digest - 6 Apr 1996 to 7 Apr 1996
  7. Kim Zmeskal
  8. Italy at Worlds
  9. USA vs France at the Budget Rent A Car Gymn. Invite
 10. Splitting Gymn-L
 11. Stormy Eaton
 12. Nadi & Bart at SeaWorld
 13. Coaches making money...
 14. Wanted - Olympic Trials Tickets
 15. Christina Bontas (sp)


Date:    Sun, 7 Apr 1996 09:15:44 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Answers for Heather

Heather writes:

>I thought that I knew a lot about gymnastics, but in some areas I am
>1) What does IMHO mean? (sorry if I'm stupid)
>2) When you write 1/1 or 2/1 etc., what do you mean? I know what most skills
>are, but I can't figure out what exactly you mean. I catch the gist of what
>you're saying about how many twists, but what's the other number for?
>3) I hope this is not a TABOO question, but do coaches and judges make very
>much money? Are there any training sessions to become either of these?

1. "IMHO" is net-ese for "in my humble opinion".

2. In the FIG code twists are expressed as fractions (probably for space
reasons) so "1/1" is a full twist and "2/1" is a double twist and so on.

3. Judges don't make a whole lot of money. I am a mens' FIG brevet judge in
Florida and i generally make $100 to $200 dollars for a meet (before
expenses). As a coach I make a decent living, but I wouldn't call it "alot of
money". I would not describe myself as financially secure by any stretch of
the imagination. The real money in gymnastics is in gym ownership. I know of
several successful gyms in my area that net in the hundreds of thousands of
dollars a year.



Date:    Sun, 7 Apr 1996 10:08:37 -0400
From:    ***@YALE.EDU
Subject: Re: Judges payments. WAG

In Puerto Rico we get paid $5 or $10 each day we judge.  I don't really
know exactly how the amount is determined.



Date:    Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:07:55 PDT
From:    ***@EPIX.NET
Subject: Reduced airfare to Atlanta?

Does anyone know of any reduced airfares or car rental rates
in Atlanta this summer?



Date:    Sun, 7 Apr 1996 13:49:27 -0600

Anyone know why they don't do vault?



Date:    Sun, 7 Apr 1996 15:00:18 -0400
From:    ***@YORKU.CA

> Anyone know why they don't do vault?
        Well, it was probably the same situation as mixed pairs in 1991
(and the 3 on 3 this year I believe):  not enough room in the arena!
This is just bad planning IMHO.


Date:    Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:02:03 -0600
Subject: MAG: Vault.

What is a "MAY" vault? Is that a RO-Arabian front to the horse?



Date:    Sun, 7 Apr 1996 15:06:38 -0400
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Re: MAG: Vault.

> What is a "MAY" vault? Is that a RO-Arabian front to the horse?
        Yes!  It's named after James May from Great Britain.


Date:    Sun, 7 Apr 1996 16:02:19 -0500
From:    ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 6 Apr 1996 to 7 Apr 1996


As a matter of fact, Danny won the class 7 target team title.
He was ecstatic to say the least!

See ya!



Date:    Thu, 4 Apr 1996 15:42:33 -0500
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Kim Zmeskal

        With all this talk about Kim Zmeskal ending her comeback, I just
thought I would add my two cents.  I agree that if she doesn't want to do
gymnastics anymore she should stop, no doubt about it.  As Doni
Thompson's mother said, sometimes it's harder to make the decision to
stop than it is to continue.
        My biggest concern with this situation is that Kim's fans have
been led on for some time now that she would be trying to make the next
Olympic team.  As a result, she has made the press, been on TV for
interviews, and drawn more media attention than she would have had she
not planned this "comeback".  It bothers me when someone sets out to do
something, tells everyone they are going to do something, and then
doesn't do it.  Why all the secrecy?  How long has she known that she
didn't want to comeback?  When she announced her comeback as part of the
USA/Romania meet in 1994 it was one of NBC's biggest stories during their
broadcast.  Yet nothing was said about it during their latest broadcast.
Has Kim given any interviews on TV or in print since she called off her
comeback?  All we have is speculation at this point.  I would really like
to hear from Kim herself to hear what she has to say about her reasons.
I totally respect her for her choice.  I just think it would have been
nice to hear it from her directly why she did this.  Perhaps an appology
for leading us on for so long?
        If anyone has any problem with what I have said here (this is
just  my opinion and nobody has to agree with it), I wouldn't mind
hearing about it (*privately* would be preferred).  Thanks.


Date:    Sun, 7 Apr 1996 22:18:21 +0200
From:    ***@MICRONET.IT
Subject: Italy at Worlds

Gymnasts to compete at PR Worlds '95

Jury Chechi (PH, SR, PB, HB)
Bori Preti (PB, HB)
Andrea Massucchi (FX, PH, SR, V)

Elisa Lamperti (italian champion - V, UB, B, FX)
Ilenia Meneghesso (PB, B)
Tania Rebagliati (V, FX)


Date:    Sun, 7 Apr 1996 15:38:00 MDT
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: USA vs France at the Budget Rent A Car Gymn. Invite

Following are the scores from the Budget Dual.  More information
about the meet can be found at:


Event                          USA     France
Women's Bars                29.199     28.412
Women's Beam                28.812     27.962
Women's Floor               28.599     29.374
Men's Floor                 27.500     27.750
Men's Pommel Horse          28.275     27.850
Men's Rings                 28.450     27.500
Men's Parallel Bars         28.000     27.300
Men's High Bar              28.500     28.050
Total                      227.335    224.198

Women's Bars

    1 Jaycie Phelps        USA        9.825
    2 Isabelle Severino    FRA        9.750
    3 Amanda Borden        USA        9.737
    4 Jennie Thompson      USA        9.637
    5 Laetitia Begue       FRA        9.525
    6 Elvire Teza          FRA        9.137

Women's Balance Beam

    1 Amanda Borden        USA        9.775
    2 Jaycie Phelps        USA        9.762
    3 Laetitia Begue       FRA        9.725
    4 Jennie Thompson      USA        9.275
    5 Isabelle Severino    FRA        9.237
    6 Elvire Teza          FRA        9.000

Women's Floor Exercise

    1 Ludivine Furnon    FRA        9.837
    2 Laetitia Begue     FRA        9.800
    3 Elvire Teza        FRA        9.737
    4 Jennie Thompson    USA        9.662
    5 Amanda Borden      USA        9.512
    6 Alecia Ingram      USA        9.425

Men's Floor Exercise

    1 Thierry Aymes          FRA        9.450
    2 Jeff Lavallee          USA        9.400
    3 John Roethlisberger    USA        9.250
    4 Sebastien Tayac        FRA        9.200
    5 Jacky Loquin           FRA        9.100
    6 Jarrod Hanks           USA        8.850

Men's Pommel Horse

    1 Eric Poujade           FRA        9.750
    2 Mihai Bagiu            USA        9.650
    3 Drew Durbin            USA        9.625
    4 Sebastien Tayac        FRA        9.250
    5 John Roethlisberger    USA        9.000
    6 Sebastien Darrigade    FRA        8.850

Men's Still Rings

    1 Kip Simons             USA        9.600
    2 John Roethlisberger    USA        9.500
    3 Jarrod Hanks           USA        9.350
    4 Sebastien Tayac        FRA        9.300
    5 Sebastien Darrigade    FRA        9.150
    6 Jacky Loquin           FRA        9.050

Men's Parallel Bars

    1 John Roethlisberger    USA        9.500
    1 Eric Poujade           FRA        9.500
    3 Thierry Aymes          FRA        9.400
    4 Drew Durbin            USA        9.350
    5 Jeff Lavallee          USA        9.150
    6 Sebastien Darrigade    FRA        8.400

Men's High Bar

    1 Mihai Bagiu        USA        9.700
    2 Eric Poujade       FRA        9.450
    2 Thierry Aymes      FRA        9.450
    4 Kip Simons         USA        9.450
    5 Jeff Lavallee      USA        9.350
    6 Sebastien Tayac    FRA        9.150

# # #


Date:    Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:55:54 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Splitting Gymn-L

I'm sorry I am sending this out to the digest, but I forgot the name of the
person who first brought up the topic.

I personally feel that gymn-l should be split. I am a gymnast, and recently
all that I've been seeing in Gymn-L are long articles about controversial gym
topics, arguing about the code, and the lives of fdamous gymnasts. I think
that other gymnasts like myself, and parents of gymnasts would greatly
benefit from a new digest. I'd rather get two different digests each day,
then one extremely long one that requires downloading. If we really attempted
to combine the needs of gymnasts and parents with needs of fans and judges,
then the digest would get way too long. Two shorter digests would be great,
as long as we can stillsubscribe to both. As many of you gymners say, I just
wanted to give my "$0.02" on the issue.


Date:    Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:07:58 EST
From:    ***@MAIL.FIRN.EDU
Subject: Stormy Eaton

        When and how did Stormy Eaton die?  I never heard anything about


Date:    Sun, 7 Apr 1996 23:24:15 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Nadi & Bart at SeaWorld

Bart, Bart, Bart... strange how we never hear about why he didn't finish
college... or what ever happened to his coach at OU.... or maybe why they
both left???

HMMM... kinda makes you wonder ...

Gotta love this sport???


Date:    Sun, 7 Apr 1996 23:24:22 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Coaches making money...

I don't want to say coaches (or gym owners) make much... but I believe that a
gym that runs hundreds of girls through the (now) 10 classes of
competition... plus now powertumbling... there is not doubt in my mind that
there is money to be made in this sport... if you are in the business to make
money... and not cultivate the future athlete's of the sport.

Go figure??



Date:    Mon, 8 Apr 1996 01:45:12 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Wanted - Olympic Trials Tickets

I am looking for two tickets to men's and women's optionals at the Trials in

Anyone have a couple extra?



Date:    Mon, 8 Apr 1996 00:59:26 -0500
From:    ***@WCHAT.ON.CA
Subject: Christina Bontas (sp)

Just to let everyone know, Christina Bontas was at my club on Tuesday as my
coach had to interview her to see what level of coaching she should get.
She stuck around for a while and we talked.  She is coaching at Hamilton Gym
Elites and as it turns out she will probably be coaching at my gym for a bit
during the summer.  It's great to see yet another gymnast continue into
coaching.  Just thought all would like to know :)


End of GYMN-L Digest - 7 Apr 1996 to 8 Apr 1996