GYMN-L Digest - 5 Dec 1995 to 6 Dec 1995

There are 14 messages totalling 549 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. Uneven Bar Questions
2. ALERT - T.V. BROADCAST
3. RESULTS: Trophee Massilia
4. RESULTS: Jr. European Team Champs.
5. RESULTS: Euro. Tramp/Tumbling
6. The Book again....
7. IBM Atlanta Invite - NBC coverage
8. BB: QUESTIONS
9. Job Openings
10. Gymnastics (what else would it be?)
11. FX QUESTIONS (4)

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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 07:58:19 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Uneven Bar Questions

As mentioned previously the settings on the Uneven Bars may be changed. The
FIG specifications are as follows: High Bar: 228 cm.+ or - 3 cm. Low Bar:
148 cm + or - 3. cm. The Unevens must close to 60 cm. and extend to a
minimum distance of 105 cm. The maximum spread for FIG competition is 150
cm.

There are a few LB release skills that are designed for the low bar. One
that we see all the time at the lower levels of competition is the straddle
cut catch. This IS considered a B release skill. There are others such as
hecht elements (ie # 4.302) and false eagles (# 4.204) which we rarely see
now. The USAG supplement which is applicable for J. O. competition is the
United States only lists the Tkachev and Jaeger on the low bar as C elements.
They are element number S2.331 and S4.325 respectively.

The RO tuck mount over the Low Bar (Jentsch) is a D element. It is element
number 1.405.

Element number 8.405 in the FIG Code is described as follows: Handstand on
HB-- Giant Circle backward through handstand with salto backward tucked over
the low bar. Note that this is just a single salto. The value of the skill
is a D. The gymnast ends up facing the LB.

Myra
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:44:32 +0000
From: ***@WLV.AC.UK
Subject: ALERT - T.V. BROADCAST

Dear all in U.K.

On Central at least and I think on all I.T.V.networks, Thursday,
a programme called

Peak Perfomance, 7pm

will be covering Milo's Olympic campaign.

The write up in the Telegraph's T.V. pages talks of a "19 year
old fighting against a maturing body"

For all those unable to catch this, I will post a synopisis
after it has been broadcast

Laterz

Vic

xxxx

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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:40:00 -0800
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: RESULTS: Trophee Massilia

Trophee Massilia
December 1-3, 1995
Marseille, France

Team:
1. ROM 78.412 5. BLR 75.275
2. FRA 77.537 6. USA 73.825
3. UKR 76.387 7. HUN 73.650
4. CHN 76.200

AA:
1. L. Milosovici (ROM) 39.187
2. G. Gogean (ROM) 39.050
3. C. Canqueteau (FRA) 38.725
4. L. Furnon (FRA) 38.475
5. L. Begue (FRA) 38.287
6. Mao Yanling (CHN) 38.137

Event Finals:

V:
1. Tarasevich (BLR) 9.906
2. Milosovici (ROM) 9.825
3. Gogean (ROM) 9.819
4. Mao (CHN) 9.688
5. Canqueteau (FRA) 9.675

UB:
1. Milosovici (ROM) 9.863
2. Teza (FRA) 9.850
3. Gogean (ROM) 9.800
4. Begue (FRA) 9.800
5. Mao (CHN) 9.788
6. Kulikowski (USA) 9.750

B:
1. Milosovici (ROM) 9.725
2. Teza (FRA) 9.525
3. Canqueteau (FRA) 9.388
4. Maloney (USA) 9.338
5. Knizhnik (UKR) 9.325
6. Mao (CHN) 9.300

FX:
1. Gogean (ROM) 9.900
2. Milosovici (ROM) 9.838
3. Furnon (FRA) 9.713
4. Canqueteaa (FRA) 9.700
5. Mao (CHN) 9.650
6. Knizhnik (UKR) 9.638


Debbie

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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:42:42 -0800
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: RESULTS: Jr. European Team Champs.

From _l'Equipe_, results of the Jr. Euro. Team Champs., which were held
over the weekend in Charleroi.

Men:

1. RUS 224.250
(Podgorny, Bondarenko, Kochevoy, Kryukov, Krichin, Kuzmin)
2. BLR 217.450
(Shkuratovich, Kasperovich....)
3. FRA 217.250
(E. Casimir, Landi, Stablo, Cucherat, Veytras, Mounard)
4. ROM 216.675

Women:

1. RUS 156.250
(Kuznetsova, Produnova, Korosteleva, Zamolodchikova...)
2. ROM 154.700
3. FRA 150.500
(Cottencin, Torrisi, Generaux, Payet, Volle)
4. ESP 150.100

Eric Casimir (FRA) received the highest mark of the men's competition --
9.650 for PH. High scores on the women's side were Elena Zamolodchikova
(9.775 V), Evgenia Kuznetsova (9.900 UB), Elena Produnova (9.825 B) and
Yulia Korosteleva (9.725 FX).

Debbie

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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 07:12:17 -0800
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: RESULTS: Euro. Tramp/Tumbling

From _l'Equipe_, results from the European Champs. in Trampoline and
Tumbling (no mention of when or where this was held, and I apologize if
this is old news).

TRAMPOLINE
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Men, Team

1. BLR 115.60
2. FRA 115.10
3. GER 112.60

Men, Individual

1. Poliarush (BLR) 105.60
2. Schwertz (FRA) 104.80
3. Durand (FRA) 104.00
3. Bukhovtsev (UKR) 104.00

Men, Synchro

1. Sishov/Kashpero (BLR) 134.50
2. Kadzahia/Dournev (RUS) 130.60
3. Troyan/Bukhovtsev (UKR) 128.70
4. Cornu/Martin (FRA) 128.10

Women, Team

1. RUS 110.60
2. GBR 106.60
2. BLR 106.60

Women, Individual

1. Karavaeva (RUS) 102.80
2. Lushina (RUS) 101.30
3. Lebedeva (BLR) 99.50

Women, Synchro

1. Chernova/Karavaeva (RUS) 131.60
2. Doganadze/Khoperia (GEO) 128.50
3. Wright/Challis (GBR) 127.80
4. Trouche/Besseige (FRA) 121.30

TUMBLING
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Men, Team

1. RUS 78.77
2. POL 76.00
3. FRA 73.76

Men, Individual

1. Krougiakov (RUS) 80.50
2. Kriyanovsky (RUS) 78.33
3. Francillon (FRA) 74.77

Women, Individual

1. Chrystel Robert (FRA) 73.34
2. Corinne Robert (FRA) 67.10 [Chrystel's sister]
3. Blovzhina (RUS) 66.33

DOUBLE-MINI TRAMP
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Men, Team

1. POR 33.99
2. GER 33.81
3. ESP 33.79

Men, Individual

1. Gerhke (GER) 22.53
2. Innala (SWE) 22.33
3. Castro (ESP) 22.20

Women, Team

1. POR 30.26
2. GER 29.44
3. RUS 27.94

Women, Individual

1. Oliveira (POR) 20.60
2. Reinemer (GER) 20.30
3. Ferreira (POR) 19.80


Debbie (whew!)

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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:11:49 -0600
From: ***@LULU.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject: Re: The Book again....

Hi Everyone!

I just wondered if any fellow Chicagoans had seen the advertisement for Joan
Ryan's book in the _Kid's_ section of the Chicago Tribune today... The
accompanying description was not too flattering of the sport, advertising it
as a chance to change your mind if you've ever wanted to trade places with one
of the gymnasts or figure skaters you've seen on TV. Now, I, personally, am
not as against the Book as some of the people I've encountered on the list,
but I think that trying to sell it to children is pushing it a little bit,
don't you? I mean, I definitely think that the writing is geared more towards
adults, or at least older teenagers (I hope I'm not offending any younger
people on the list!), and thought that a lot of the stories were graphic and
would be pretty scary for younger readers. A lot of people accuse the author
of trying to destroy the image of the sport-- I honestly think that she didn't
set out to do that; her original intention was more about exposing a system
that was filled with discrepancies and dangerous kinks than it was about
comdemning gymnastics. Flame away :)

Anyway, it saddened me to see that in the Trib today, adn just wanted to share
it with all of you...

--Meighan

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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 10:04:54 -0800
From: ***@ENG.SUN.COM
Subject: IBM Atlanta Invite - NBC coverage

Okay, let's hear it from the Politburo (aka Gymn ;^)

Good to see that NBC picked up the pace of the meet with their editing. The
meet in Atlanta was molasses slow, especially the first day. The television
coverage made it seem like a normal meet in this regard.

Editing after the fact has its strengths and weaknesses. Did anyone that
watched the meet on television (and my apologies to those of us from other
countries than the U.S.) find it kind of weird that the meet appeared on TV
to occur on one day? All the girls changing their leotards between the 2nd
and 3rd rotation. Different size of audience. Bogie suddenly wearing a
GAP sweatshirt. And all the while the commentators sounding like they never
left the venue. (But then again, maybe they didn't ;^)

What was far more peculiar to me, other than the splicing of days one and two
was the editing out of the men. Okay, herewegoagainwhydon'ttheyshowmoremen's
gymnasticsontelevisionwhinewhinemoanmoan but it's so peculiar to see the
occasional guy setting up the apparatus in the background, never to be
mentioned, never to be heard from again. Relegated to the void. Swept away.
Nothing.

Aside from the usual wringing of hands, what did you guys think of the
gymnastics you did see? I'm dead impressed with the Chinese girls on
UB, as exampled by Liu Xuan's routine. In my opinion the Chinese girls'
UB is like a different apparatus compared to the rest of the countries.
Higgins to Yaeger? Who else is doing that kind of thing? And their
tumbling on FX as well as choreography has come a long way since '92.

Speaking of FX, they didn't show my favorite floor routine. But now I can't
remember who it was. Teza of France? Maybe it was one of the Spanish girls.
Notes are back at the office. Nice and innovative dance. (Dance? In a
gymnastics routine? I know I know. Very strange concept ;^)

Yours in Gymnastics,

-George

p.s. It's very peculiar (that must be the word for the day) when they show
a synopsis of sorts on television by highlighting a handful of routines, but
then talk through the routine about things other than that routine. NBC
did this for the men's meet by highlighting Wilson and Simon's SR routines and
Svetlichnyi's HB routine. I thought it would have been more appropriate
to showcase the routines as they were being shown, as opposed to talking
about the coaches, how the athletes did at Worlds, the upcoming Olympics,
etc. In my mind such a situation is a perfect opportunity for the media
to educate its audience about gymnastics in general and men's gymnastics
in particular. They could have mentioned the various skills, their
relative difficulty, stuff like that. Maybe with familiarity would come
a renewed interest.

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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:41:58 -0800
From: ***@UVIC.CA
Subject: Re: BB: QUESTIONS

>I heard somewhere (possibly on gymn-l) that a Russian girl is doing triple
>backs off beam and bars! Is this true? I've got to see it!
>Helen.
>
Well I have a pen friend in the US who has a video that was taped in Russia
and it shows a gymnast(s) performing triples off the UB. I have yet to see
the video, but just imagine.....

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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:05:01 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Job Openings

Full time position open for girl's coach. Ability to coach optional level
beam and floor and knowledge of USAG Compulsories a _must_. Choreography
skills desired. Strong developmental stance essential. Willingness to work
as a member of motivated, energetic team.
Excellent salary/benefits, super working atmosphere.
Interested? - Mail resume, salary requirements, references to:
***
2140 Range Road, Unit G
Clearwater, FL 34625
OR, fax to : 813- 449-0527
Thanks, Karl

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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 17:29:33 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Gymnastics (what else would it be?)

Was the coverage of the Atlanta Invitational on all across the US? Because I
have NBC, and when I checked to see if it was on, it wasn't. I live in
Madison, Wisconsin and does anyone know about that?
Can someone tell me anything about Robin Phelps?
What is a Korbut, Rulfova, and a Shushonova?
What levels are optional levels? I don't mean junior or senior, but before
that.
I'm glad that the age limit is going up because if there are 14-15 year olds,
they might fill up the spots for the Olympic team and the older gymnasts
might not get on the team and this might be their last chance for the Olympic
team and the younger girls have another chance in 4 years.
Who has the most difficult floor routine in women's gymnastics?

Lauren

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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 17:49:31 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: FX QUESTIONS

Here we go:


1)Anyone ever seen anyone tumble out of side somersaults?

2)Is a full out rated differently than a full in?

3)HAs anyone seen a front with 2 and 1/2 twists?

4)What is the value of a Tsukahara on FX? C? D?

5)Is MOstepanova's dive front handpring with a full twist
still a rated element or is it not valued anymore like the
arabian handspring?

6)Has anyone seen a female do a double side somi?

7)Similar to #5, are full twisting back handsprings still rated?

8)Is there any distinction between a full and a whipback with a full
i
in the code of points?

9)Anyone seen anyone do a quad twist?

10)As teh SHUSHUMOVA and similar dance elements have the gymnast
landing in front support at the end of the move, are there any which
have the gymnast land in back support?


Thanks, coming soon: the vault.........Jeff

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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 22:13:38 -0500
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Re: FX QUESTIONS

> Subject: FX QUESTIONS
> Here we go:
>
>
> 1)Anyone ever seen anyone tumble out of side somersaults?
Lou Yun from China used to do a side somi step-out through to a 1
3/4 side-somi roll out.
Chris

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 01:06:28 -0600
From: ***@SASKNET.SK.CA
Subject: Re: FX QUESTIONS

> 9)Anyone seen anyone do a quad twist?

A Soviet power tumbler at the '91 Sports Acro World Cup (or Champs?) in
Japan did double layout through to quad twist. Only a small step on the
landing. Incredible.

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 03:04:55 -0600
From: ***@EDEN.COM
Subject: Re: FX QUESTIONS

At 05:49 PM 12/5/95 -0600, you wrote:
>Here we go:
>
>
> 1)Anyone ever seen anyone tumble out of side somersaults?
>
> 2)Is a full out rated differently than a full in?
Depends on the apparatus. For women, a full-in on UPB is a D while a
full-out is an E. (Kinda splitting hairs, at times, if you ask me.) I
realize there is a difference, partifularly in technique, but is a full-out
truly more difficult? And when must the gymnast initiate the twist to get
credit?

>
> 3)HAs anyone seen a front with 2 and 1/2 twists?
I've seen a couple of males perform it. One gymnast from Illinois was a
front twisting 'god', in my opinion. He used to demo whip to 2/1 punch
front front hs-front ff-2/1 1/2 -immediate punch front.
>
> 4)What is the value of a Tsukahara on FX? C? D?
>
I don't remember that it is even rated. How would the gymnast perform it?

> 5)Is MOstepanova's dive front handpring with a full twist
> still a rated element or is it not valued anymore like the
> arabian handspring?
>
> 6)Has anyone seen a female do a double side somi?
>
> 7)Similar to #5, are full twisting back handsprings still rated?
>
> 8)Is there any distinction between a full and a whipback with a full
>i
> in the code of points?
>
> 9)Anyone seen anyone do a quad twist?
>
> 10)As teh SHUSHUMOVA and similar dance elements have the gymnast
> landing in front support at the end of the move, are there any which
> have the gymnast land in back support?
>
I would think that a skill landing on the back would be inherently too
dangerous to even be considered. The front support skills involving a
cushioning of the force using the arms or the entire body. I can only
imagine how dangerous an ill timed skill to the back would be.

BTW--

Schuschunova (FX)= side slpit jump (180 separation) with landing to front
lying support. e.g. straddle jump to land on your face.
(BB)=same trick land in cross support. Very painfull looking IMHO.

Korbut (BB) = back HS to swing down (cross support)
(UBP) = back tuck to recatch same bar

Chen flic/Rueda flic (BB) = similar but with a clear flight/salto phase
before swing dow. (The different names refer to leg position)

Rulfova (BB) = Korbut with 1/1 twist. This is only a D skill, kids! (I say
only so lightly.)

Onodi (BB) = Arabian HS (backward take off, 1/2 twist to front HS). This
was NOT originated by Onodi. She was simply the first to submit the skill
and perform it at a Worlds. (And recognized as such.)

>
>Thanks, coming soon: the vault.........Jeff


Richard
>


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