GYMN-L Digest - 4 Apr 1996 to 5 Apr 1996

There are 7 messages totalling 221 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  2. GYMN-L Digest - 4 Apr 1996 - Special issue
  3. splinter gymnnastics lists (2)
  4. Plea for help!
  5. Forwaded message from Kim
  6. "truth" about gymnastics


Date:    Thu, 4 Apr 1996 21:50:46 -0500
From:    ***@POND.COM

First of all, I think we all need to stop judging Kim Zmeskal.  A situation
is totally different from the outside than it is when you're involved.
Obviously, Kim didn't feel like she wanted to be on the Olympic team again.
When you're in that situation, and you have an out (the injuries), you use
it.  I've been in her shoes before, and if you don't put all your effort
into it and don't want it bad enough, it won't work.  Of course I was
dissapointed with her not making a comeback...who, of her fans, isn't?  But
I've accepted it and respected her descision.  Who are we to say what she
should/shouldn't do?  And as for the "supposed" e-mail sent to that person
from Kim Zmeskal, I guarantee you it was not her.  I have always gotten the
impression that she was a really sweet and friendly person.  I think we, as
outsiders, think of her as an athlete-not a 20 yr. old human being.  We
can't expect her to do something that we all want her to do.  Some of you
need to calm down on this it really your whole life?  I hope not.
Maybe she's reading this...If she is, then I hope she's happy with what I
said.  Kim Zmeskal is a human being...and she should be treated like one!


Date:    Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:20:19 -0800
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 4 Apr 1996 - Special issue

Public reminder folks......

I shouldda had a clue when I noticed that a digest with 4 posts was well over
800 lines.....

When you reply to a post, howzxabout trimming down the size of the post ?
How bout NOT repeating the ENTIRE DIGEST !

Now if any of you think maybe Im a tad hot under the collar, I AM !
(Toying with the idea of switching someones chalk with talc !)

Come on folks!  Edit your posts ?


Date:    Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:42:05 -0800
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: splinter gymnnastics lists

OK heres the deal.
I recently went into the internet service provision biz.

Ill supply you with list service starting in August this year.
I have listserv software already but it will take that long
before the added bandwidth is ready to handle it.

But BEFORE I DO such a thing, I want some input from ppl if I SHOULD.
Rachele, Robin, George and the rest of the "big kids" on this list.
Lizza, and Andriana too !

SHOULD we split this list ?
Is this REALLY the right thing to do ?

Looking back in my mail queue, I dont quite understand WHY we need
to split the list.  If we were to split ANYTHING off,
I would say it should be mens gymnastics since this list is already
90% girls gymn.

But really isnt the youth topic really something that should stay here ?
I mean maybe it might displace some of the name calling of recent.

ANyway, private mail me with reasons why we SHOULD split the list.
If the reason justifies it, Ill add the list to my "majordomo system".
But I dont want to do anything to screw up what Rachele already got going.


Dont just do things right, do the right things right for the right reason !


Date:    Thu, 4 Apr 1996 22:40:21 -0600
From:    ***@SCOTT.NET
Subject: Re: Plea for help!

count me in!


Date:    Fri, 5 Apr 1996 00:30:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Forwaded message from Kim

This is the message that liar Michael Rogers sent me Thursday. A forged
e-mail message. He must have forged it then. I started not to do this,
because I respect people's privacy. But since Michael, a so-called friend of
Kim Zmeskal's, spoke lies of me publicly, I am posting what was sent to me
privately. Pay close attention to the e-mail addresses in the message. If it
is a fake, it's on him, not me. As I said, you people are not going to
intimidate me into silence. When you shut up, I will. If it is war you want,
so be it!!!

You asked for it, and here it is...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thurs, 04 Apr 1996 11:48:34 -500
From: ***
To: "***
Subject: To personally address Garlfar's claims - Fwd. to Garlfar

Hello, Garlfar...
   First of all, might I apologize for having to send this via a
forwarded message. Or rather, I won't apologize. You have, in the best
wording possible, made a rear end of yourself to my friend Michael and
the rest of GYMN. So, because of that, I refuse to mail you personally.
But I will send mail to you through Michael, if you have any questions to
ask me. So, here goes.

On Wed, 3 Apr 1996 *** wrote:

> Oh, thank you for for your response, O great smart-assed one. I really don't
> care that you so fit to run all the way to Kim Zmeskal to show her a post by
> some stranger on a gymnastics forum. It is OBVIOUS that you gymanstics
> people are VERY sensitive to unpleasant information. A lot of what I said
> was OLD news. What was the point of running and showing this girl this. If
> you want and have the guts, tell her to e-mail me. I would love to talk with
> her and clear up any misconceptions that may have occurred.

   Wow. What school do you go to? I'll bet you are still in high school.
The way you write, it sure sounds like it.
   Well, Michael had the guts to have me talk to you, and here I am. The
thing that I really don't see is why you came onto the scene of GYMN just
to cause trouble. This list was really fine until you decided to tell all
of your 'facts.' What was the point in Michael running to me? Well, I take
it very personally when you say bad things about my coach and my friends.
Sure, Bela was rough at times, but he was _never_ abusive. I know this for a
fact because I have been with him since I was six or seven.
   It is my opinion, take it or leave it, that you are just here to cause
trouble. We have never really heard from you before this. Why did you
want to cause a stir? I can see that you have the right to your own
opinion, but you do not have this right when you make accusations that
you can't back up with verifiable sources. Why don't you ever tell us any
of them? Or is it because you don't really have any, and you just wanted
to be noticed.
   Any responses to this can be sent to Michael, as I have set a kill
file for you on my mail program. He will send them to me.
   Food for thought, huh?


---------- End Forwarded message ----------


Date:    Fri, 5 Apr 1996 00:36:02 -0500
From:    ***@YALE.EDU
Subject: Re: splinter gymnnastics lists

On Thu, 4 Apr 1996, Texx wrote:

> But BEFORE I DO such a thing, I want some input from ppl if I SHOULD.
> Rachele, Robin, George and the rest of the "big kids" on this list.
> Lizza, and Andriana too !
> SHOULD we split this list ?
> Is this REALLY the right thing to do ?

Since I've been asked (and had thought about putting in my $0.02 anyway),
I think it would be nice not to split.  I think the parents should feel
totally free to discuss their interests.  The one thing I'd suggest is
the labeling that has been mentioned before (in general, not just for
these posts).  If the parents (et al) are still dissatisfied with
discussion on the main list or simply find a more focused list more
convenient, starting their own is of course their prerogative.



Date:    Fri, 5 Apr 1996 20:11:15 +1000
From:    ***@OZEMAIL.COM.AU
Subject: "truth" about gymnastics

The reaction to the posts made by Garfal amazes me.

Come on people, is there ANYTHING left in the world today that isn't tainted
by scandal, corruption, abuse???  HELLO!!!!

I love gymnastics with all my heart, but it hurts me more than anything that
some gymnasts may be suffering abuse and pressure.  The important thing is
to prevent it happening, rather than abusing people for saying that it does

Only last year a Romanian coach was jailed for causing the death of a 10
year old girl.

But that must have happened because it didn't happen in America, right???
Sometimes I get the impression that Americans only accept the negative side
of gymnastics happens in Russia, China and other former East European countries.

Sure you guys aren't just reacting to something that couldn't possibly
happen in America???

Out of interest, I'm I the only person on this forum not from America who
has read "Little girls in pretty boxes"?  Because I certainly cannot believe
a whole book was written about lies, especially from reputable gymnasts such
as Phillips, Stack, Stokes, B&K Johnson.  While I realise that this topic
has already been covered, the book does contain some facts, eg Gomez and
Henrich are dead, and Kim Kelly was kicked off the Olympic team in
controversial circumstances.

Remember, the important thing is that if abuses are happening, then they
should be stopped, and prevented.  Because if nothing is done, then this
theme is going to occur over and over again.

Flame away,



End of GYMN-L Digest - 4 Apr 1996 to 5 Apr 1996