GYMN-L Digest - 3 Mar 1996 - Special issue

There are 18 messages totalling 1016 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. OGF - Athlete Model
  2. The American Cup
  3. I saw  the AC Live!
  5. Kim Zmeskal
  6. Pike's Peak
  7. GYMN-L Digest - 2 Mar 1996 to 3 Mar 1996
  8. Half-in half-out and Arabian double front-half (2)
  9. Kristy Powell's Floor
 10. American Cup (3)
 11. Pikes Peak
 12. Doni Thompson
 13. Women defending American Cup
 14. American Cup: AA Results
 15. American Cup: Women's AA Finals


Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 08:02:39 -0500
From:    ***@SYMPATICO.CA
Subject: OGF - Athlete Model

Gymners in Ontario

The Women's Technical Committee of the Ontario Gymnastic Federation is
proposing a new "Athlete Model".  If accepted, this will change the rules
for Provincial Stream Women's Gymnastics.  Clearly, this is a critical issue
and should be debated thoroughly so as to arrive at the best possible end
result.  The basic outline was presented to Regional Coaching and Judging
Reps on February 17th.  Regional Chairpeople and Metro West clubs should
receive some written info this coming week.  Look into this issue, give
input, get involved!



Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 09:36:46 -0500
From:    ***@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU
Subject: Re: The American Cup

Hi... I was wondering if there was a kind sould out there who had taped
the American Cup and would be kind enough, in exchange for costs and a
return of the favor with respect to the meets I have on tape, to make me
a copy or mail me the tape so that I may copy it?  I would be very
grateful... Thank You!  Monica


Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:10:55 -0500
From:    ***@RAPIDRAMP.COM
Subject: Re: I saw  the AC Live!

While most of you watched the American Cup at home Isaw it up close (well a
was in sec.313 row E.)  Igot 2 autographs the little girl from China and one
of the men.  2 of the people in my gym got Kerri Strug's.  Well if you know
who Robbie Kiefer is his former coach Doug Stockton is also my coach.


Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:03:05 -0500
From:    ***@HICOM.NET

Howdy, folks:

Perhaps I need to articulate a bit better what 'Fantasy Gymnastics' would or
could be.

First, we would need to have a list of the international class gymnasts out
there that regularly compete in the international meets.  Then, through a random
'draft' process, each GYMN member playing would need to choose their team
members, and NOT necessarily from the same country (i.e., six competing gymnasts
from any countries to represent their team(that's the 'Fantasy' part of it, like
your own personal 'Dream Team')--the selection process for this would really
need to be hammered out with soooo many people on the list...In Fantasy
Football, there are usually only 10-15 regular folks who are playing).

Now that each participant has her/his teams, YOU get your own personal score by
adding up the individual scores of your six gymnasts competing.  If one of your
gymnasts gets injured, oh well--you're stuck without a gymnast, and hence,
without a score.

I will attempt to give you an example using the results of yesterday's American
Cup, since I have the results here in front of me (thanks to the Newark _Star

I have chosen, by some yet-to-be-determined method, the following gymnasts for
my team:  Strug, Miller, Piskun, Chusovitina, Boguinskaya, and Tousek.  Here is
how my team score looks, using all-around scores:

        TEAM C:
        Strug           39.13
        Miller          0       (Neither Miller or Piskun competed today, though
        Piskun          0       both are on my hypothetical team, so I don't
        Chusovitina     38.635  gain any points for them today)
        Boguinskaya     38.687
        Tousek          37.861
C's Total
for Am Cup of
3/2/96  :              154.313

The way this works in American Football is the game takes place over a football
season--so your individual players' performances are tallied up over the course
of 16 games.  Perhaps this would be the case in a Fantasy Gymnastics
game--include not just one meet, but a series of meets.

As I said before, this is a very sketchy outline, but as I also said, I am
willing to hammer some concrete specifications out if anyone is interested in
participating and also interested in helping set this up.

Hope to hear some feedback soon...



Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:56:30 -0500
From:    ***@CHELSEA.IOS.COM
Subject: Re: Kim Zmeskal

At the Am Cup comp yesterday, Karolyi said that he's leaving the decision
to compete at Trials up to Kim. She has been training everyday and her
weaknesses as of now are the beam and bars. She says that she'll make her
decision in mid-March as to whether or not she'll continue her comeback.
I hope this isn't old news, I just read it this morning.



Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:59:12 EST
Subject: Pike's Peak

On Saturday, 2 March, Christina asked if there was updated information
about Pike' Peak being televised.

Cypress Academy is a participant with 43 girls, levels 8 thru elite.  We
received a letter on Friday, indicating that there were "42 clubs from 19 states
and 3 countries" registered to participate, but no mention of television
coverage or what 'countries' were expected. Some of the Level 8's are competing
Friday evening, and the rest on Sunday.  The level 10's will be competing
Saturday starting at 12:30 pm open stretch, and the Elites Saturday afternoon
with open stretch starting at 4:45 pm.  All sessions (except 10 and 11--10's and
elites) will be at the Air Force Academy West Gym, while the 10's and elites
will be at the Air Force Academy Field House, or Clune Arena as it is also

Cypress is looking forward to a great meet and recreational outings afterwards.
We hope to see a lot of you there.



Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 13:16:01 -0500
From:    ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 2 Mar 1996 to 3 Mar 1996

Recently, when I get my e-mail from you (I receive it in a
batch), after some messages, the words "Press Return for More"
are given.  Unfortunately, when I do this, nothing happens and
I don't receive the rest of the messages.  Previously, I never
had this problem or had to press return to get any messages.
Are you doing something different or is this a problem on my
end?  I'd appreciate your help in resolving this problem.


Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:28:34 -0400
From:    ***@HALCYON.COM
Subject: Half-in half-out and Arabian double front-half

Maybe somebody can answer my question. What is the difference between an
Arabian double front with an half twist and an half in half out on


Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:07:28 -0800
From:    ***@SEATTLEU.EDU
Subject: Re: Kristy Powell's Floor

Jennifer E.-  Kristy Powells floor music is Toccata in D and Fugue.  The
violinist who performed it in this particular "jazzed up" version is the
16 year old Vanessa Mae.  You should check out her CD "The Violin Player"
she is the Bogi of classical music.


Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:00:02 -0600
From:    ***@LULU.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject: Re: American Cup

Hi all!

I just wanted to add my $0.02 about this weekend's coverage-- I sure was
impressed with both Boginskaya and Chusovitina (where on earth did that girl
learn to tumble????) I just wondered what any of you thought about the
montage-special-interest pieces, namely the one on Kerri's past few years
switching coaches. I was really moved by it-- I have to say that I've been out
of the loop where gymnastics is concerned for the past few years, but even so,
I never knew much about this gymnast. The one thing I can't believe they
showed, though, was that unbelievable fall she took from the uneven bars--
have you ever seen anything so scary? Geez!! I wondered if that image stayed
with anyone the way it did with me.

Also, regarding Bela's and Bogi's remarks to Dominique at the end of the
program, did anyone else get the impression that they were both totally
condescending to her? I thought it was pretty weird-- I mean, even though she
looks about seven, she IS fourteen years old, after all.

As for the overall quality of the gymnastics, I thought it was good, but
nothing really even close to Worlds. And I don't mean to take anything away
from the gymnasts who won and did well, but I just wish that the competition
hadn't been so close between Americans-- it would have been nice if more of
the countries had been right there in the running (the coverage probably had
something to do with that; they did not show a wide variety of routines).
Like I said, I've been MIA for a while,
and the last time I saw an American Cup, Kim Zmeskal and Natalia Kalinina were
neck and neck, and it was quite a good competition. I wish that more countries
had sent their top gymnasts, but I understand it if they're saving them for
more important (and less rigged, if that is the case, based on what I've read
here) meets. Atlanta sure is going to be exciting!!!



Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:18:40 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Pikes Peak

Gymagic gymnastics from Sacramento is going there.  What we've been told is
that it will be telecast but no other details. Saludos, Ramon.


Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:07:20 -0500
From:    ***@WAM.UMD.EDU
Subject: Doni Thompson

Unfortunely, I missed the broadcast of the American Cup.  I know Thompson
retired, but thats all.  Can anything tell me any details surrounding
it?  Thanks.


Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:36:45 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: American Cup

So the American Cup was on NBC?  Hmm.....seems like the Madison, Wis.
channels have been skipping out on meets.  Anyone have their address for you
Madison-area people on this list?  I would kinda like to complain about lack
of gymnastics.


Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:58:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Half-in half-out and Arabian double front-half

Chloe asks:

>Maybe somebody can answer my question. What is the difference between an
>Arabian double front with an half twist and an half in half out on

The difference is in where the twist comes in.  In a half-in-half-out, the
gymnasts completes a full twist in the middle of the skill.  The first half
of the twist comes at the end of the first somi and the second half comes
at the beginning of the second somi.  In a Arabian double with a half, the
first half twist comes right at the beginning.  Most of the somersaulting
goes forwards (like a double front), and the gymnast completes another half
twist at the very end.


Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:58:43 -0500
Subject: American Cup

Am I the only one out here who still doesn't like Kerri Strug's gymnastics
very much?  I'll admit that she looks more confident and that her bars set
is _much_ better, but her form on beam is still sloppy.

As for the commentary, I thought it was pretty good, but I had one serious
complaint.  What's with the assumption that Dom M is going to be the
obvious frontrunner in Atlanta?  What about Pods, Khorkina, Mo, Milo,
Gina,...?  U.S. championships aside, I still think Miller is the best
American gymnast around.  I'd rank Dom M about fourth, behind Miller,
Dawes, and Borden.

I know everyone else has already said it, but I've got to chime in.
Chusovitina's tumbling is unbelievable.


Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:38:46 -0600
Subject: Women defending American Cup

The NBC announcers said yesterday that not since kristie Phillips had
a woman defended her title. For kicks, I put together this list, which
shows the defending champion and where she finished the following year.

1987 Kristie Phillips (did not compete in 88)
1988 Phoebe Mills (4th in 89)
1989 Brandy Johnson (22nd in prelims in 90)
1990 Kim Zmeskal (2nd in 1991)
1991 Betty Okino (did not compete in 92)
1992 Kim Zmeskal (did not compete in 93)
1993 Shannon Miller (did not compete in 94)
1994 Dom Dawes (did not compete in 95)
1995 Kristy Powell (8th in 96)


Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 21:15:25 -0500
From:    ***@CLOUD9.NET
Subject: American Cup: AA Results

McDonald's American Cup
Fort Worth, TX
March 2, 1996


1. Kerri Strug (USA)         9.731 9.812 9.750 9.837  39.130
2. Svetlana Boginskaya (BLR) 9.638 9.662 9.737 9.650  38.687
3. Oksana Chusovitina (UZB)  9.599 9.712 9.737 9.587  38.635
4. Alexandra Dobrescu (ROM)  9.218 9.450 9.687 9.700  38.055
5. Yvonne Tousek (CAN)       9.462 9.075 9.612 9.712  37.861
6. Joanna Juarez (ESP)       9.449 9.625 9.075 9.687  37.836
7. Lan Sang (CHN)            9.637 9.362 9.200 9.625  37.824
8. Kristy Powell (USA)       9.706 9.750 9.675 8.575  37.706

1. John Roethlisberger (USA) 9.587 9.587 9.700 9.325 9.625 9.787  57.611
2. Jair Lynch (USA)          9.650 9.687 9.400 9.375 9.025 9.750  56.887
3. Ilya Giogadze (GEO)       9.300 9.562 9.075 9.412 9.525 9.600  56.674
4. Andrei Kan (BLR)          9.375 9.250 9.250 9.475 9.450 9.437  56.237
5. Valery Belenky (GER)      9.275 9.025 9.575 9.300 9.637 9.300  56.112
6. Oleg Kuzmin (RUS)         9.350 8.900 9.500 9.200 9.512 9.475  55.937
7. Sigeru Kurihara (JPN)     9.325 8.775 9.6.7 9.250 9.450 9.375  55.812
8. Adrian Ianculescu (ROM)   8.925 9.700 9.125 9.450 8.675 9.300  55.175



Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 1996 21:15:32 -0500
From:    ***@CLOUD9.NET
Subject: American Cup: Women's AA Finals

One question after women's prelims was, "can Kerri Strug control her nerves
and take the title?".  It seems that returning to Karolyi's has done her
much good, both physically and mentally.  On both days of competition Strug
was focused, and pounded out routine after routine as if it were the easiest
thing in the world.  She also appeared much more relaxed and ready to smile
than in previous years.  So, on to the AA finals...

Four girls used the Hristakieva vault, and all of them showed a nice layout
position in the post-flight.  Juarez had excellent air form but took steps
on both of her landings.  Boginskaya's first attempt had a big step forward;
she improved the landing on her next attempt (small hop).  Strug landed her
first try with a rather high vertical hop (a la Moceanu's FX pass), but the
second attempt was much better.  Tousek had the loosest form in the air,
IMO, but both attempts were high with good landings.  Daring to be different
were Powell (nice 1.5 twisting Yurchenko), Lan (layout Cuervo), Dobrescu
(tucked front full, she sat down on her 1st attempt), and Chusovitina (piked
front 1/2). Chusovitina absolutely nailed her 2nd attempt, although I don't
think the scores reflected this.

On UB, Boginskaya was up first and did her 1.5 pirouette on the HB not quite
in vertical, and had a small problem in a handstand on the LB.  Her double
layout was impressive considering her height but she had to fight to stick
it.  Strug did 2 major releases (front pike; Tkachev) and dismounted with a
very high and stuck tucked full-out.  Powell was up next and showed a more
exciting routine: inverts to Gienger; huge Tkachev; full-out.  IMO, she
should have scored slightly higher than Strug.  The Chinese girl's routine
was very stock (but also clean), with a few front giants, a Tkachev and
double layout.  Dobrescu did a giant full to Gienger (leg separation) and
dismounted with a double front 1/2.  Like the CHN girl, she moved from LB to
HB by standing on the lower bar.  Tousek had the highest release move
(Hindorf) of anyone, which unfortunately she failed to regrasp.  She also
did a piked front, a Pak salto and a double layout off.  Chusovitina used an
interesting transition move (hecht to HB), did 2 consecutive hop fulls,
inverts, and nailed her tucked full-out.  Last up was Juarez, who has unreal
toe point: front giant, front pike; front giant, piked Jaeger; double layout

Beam was a solid event for almost everyone, with only 2 girls falling.
Strug was first up and set the pace for the others.  Her FF LO FF LO pass
was solid, as was her punch front and Popa jump.  She took a small step on
her double tuck dismount.  Powell's tumbling pass was very impressive: FF LO
Chen. She nailed her punch front (had been having problems on warm-ups), and
her leap to immediate Rulfova was cool.  She took a step forward on her
double tuck dismount.  Lan did a punch front on, FF LO FF, and came off
after her punch front.  Dobrescu also used the punch front mount and showed
the usual solid Romanian B routine, although she did nothing unusual or
outstanding.  It was this event's equivalent of Lan's UB.  Tousek's routine
had tons of original elements, and she showed crisp moves and poses.  Her
coolest pass was a front handspring punch front.  She also did an unusual
handstand, and her full turn was right on.  Can you tell that I really like
this gymnast? :-)  Chusovitina showed us a *real* front on (incredible
height), and did a punch front to back tuck; leap, FF; and drilled her
double tuck dismount into the floor.  She has improved so much on this
event.  Juarez came off after a tour jete (but she still had more height and
better form than Bogie).  Boginskaya also used a front on to immediate leap;
FF LO LO; punch front; double pirouette; and a double tuck (step). She does
it so well, but then again she's also been doing basically the same routine
since 1991 or so.

Powell had major problems on floor, falling on her opening double layout and
also on her piked full-in.  Her dance and expression were great, though, and
I think that overall she has the best FX of the US girls.  Lan was cute and
pranced about the mat, and her tumbles were strong (double layout; 3 whips,
FF, double twist; 2.5 twist).  Dobrescu also used a double layout and ended
with a triple twist.  Her choreography was good (I think she's from the
Bucharest club and not Deva).  I haven't watched NBC's coverage yet but I
understand that they didn't show Tousek's FX...  You guys were robbed!  This
routine is fantastic.  Her tumbling runs were Arabian double front; triple
twist; rudi immediate leap; and 2.5 twist punch front.  But it was the
choreography that woke up the audience, each move fitting perfectly with the
music.  Deservedly, Tousek received very loud cheers and the 2nd highest FX
score.  Chusovitina followed and amazed everyone with her tumbling runs of
layout full-out and tucked full-out.  She out-tumbled everyone, men
included.  Her front full to punch 1/2 layout was kind of off, and I think
the judges penalized her heavily for this (her SV was 9.9 -- how can this
be?!?) and she ranked 7th on this event.  How depressing.  Juarez used
Spanish-influenced dance and, like her teammates, she was precise and
expressive.  She also opened with a double layout.  Choreography is the main
thing in Boginskaya's routine, although her tumbles are comparable to
others' (except Chussy, of course).  Today she managed to control her 2.5
twist and gave her usual crisp presentation.  Strug was last up, and the
wait must have been difficult.  Her opening double layout was high (but with
a leg separation) and ending full-in was stuck.  The dance was on the cutesy
side for the most part, but she seemed to enjoy performing it.  At the end
of her routine it was hard to tell who was happier, Kerri or Bela.

At the press conference Strug said, "I'm really excited about today.  I was
glad to start 1996 out winning for myself."  Karolyi added, "Tonight we have
seen a revival of what everyone has been waiting for so long...maturity.
The greatest winner is the sport of gymnastics, and congratulations to the
'old ladies.'"  Yes, congratulations to the old ladies (aged 18, 20 and 23),
who had no trouble fending off the challenge of the youngsters!



End of GYMN-L Digest - 3 Mar 1996 - Special issue