GYMN-L Digest - 29 Mar 1995 to 30 Mar 1995

There are 13 messages totalling 330 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Onodi
  2. Kim Zmeskal
  3. STUFF
  4. GYMN-L Digest - 28 Mar 19...
  5. Moscow News (2)
  6. Introduction
  7. Comebacks
  8. The Adrenalin Invite
  9. Russian Nationals
 10. Zmeskal
 11. Ruling in Brown Title IX suit
 12. more romanian questions


Date:    Wed, 29 Mar 1995 22:19:02 -0600
From:    ***@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: Onodi

I am writing in reference to Henrietta Onodi.  She is currently residing in San
Antonio working at the gym that hosts the Alamo Invitational and going to
school.  I saw the owner of the gym about 2 months ago and can get in touch
with him if there is anything else you would like to know.



Date:    Wed, 29 Mar 1995 22:22:54 -0600
From:    ***@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: Kim Zmeskal

IG just did a comeback section featuring Bogi, Kimbo, and Brandy Johnson!  Kim
recently performed the compulsary floor ex at ucla and looked superb.  She said
there is no more pain in her knee, so we'll have to wait and see when she


Date:    Thu, 30 Mar 1995 01:04:47 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: STUFF

Just thought I'd throw everything I had to say into one post!

IG:  I personally thought this month's edition of International Gymnast was
great, especially the comeback feature.  It's weird to see Bela and Kim with
Svetlana, but it is good to see that the past is the past.  Kim has now
graced the cover 8 times (either alone or with others) if I've counted
correctly.  Anyone know who holds the record?
I was suprised that Brandy Johnson is attempting a comeback.  I only saw her
in one competition (1990 USA's).  Why isn't she training with Kevin Brown?

On T.V.:  2 gymnastics programs on this week.  The Peachtree Invitational is
on Monday, April 3 at 8 pm on ESPN, and the Pac-10 Women's Championships are
on Thursday, April 6 at 11:30 pm on ESPN  (both times are central--I'm in

Re-post:  I'm re-posting the following info because I'm not sure it went
through the first time.  I'm still fairly new to this on-line stuff, so
forgive me if this is appearing
Regarding the comments about gymnastics never being able to beat the
NBA--ABC's broadcast of the 1991 World Gymnastics Championships (5 months
after the competition) beat a live Chicago Bulls game on NBC in the ratings.
 True, it probably wouldn't win every time, but what program does?
Also, speaking of the NBA, Horace Grant (formally of the Chicago Bulls, now
with the Orlando Magic), says Kim Zmeskal is his all-time favorite athlete!
 He says he likes "gymnastics a lot because the girls get up on the beam and
their balance is so incredible.  Plus, the guys on the still rings.  I can't
believe their strength.  I think they're amazing."

Ann Marie


Date:    Thu, 30 Mar 1995 02:28:50 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 28 Mar 19...

I, too, am interested in ordering tickets for the '96 Olympic Games -
primarily the gymnastics competitions,,,  Do you have any idea as to how I
could go about receiving an order form for those tickets?  I would appreciate
any info you could give me.  Thanks !


Date:    Thu, 30 Mar 1995 12:23:15 +0200
From:    ***@DD.CHALMERS.SE
Subject: Moscow News

Here are some more info about Moscow News

One boy frome Spain did flying back whithout relesing his
hands in p-bars. When I saw it I could feel my shoulders
break into pieces.

A new Ucrainian gymnast did three releses over the bar in
high bar. He did Kovacs, Gaylord I, and Gaylord II and
dismounted whith a trippel. Unfortunately he fell on his

There was two nordic europeens in the medal positions.
Magnus Rosengren (SWE) won vault and Rasmus Brandtoft (DEN)
was third in floor.

Jukov and Nemov did piked Kovacs.

A russian girl did dubbel Minichelli direct punch front.
(Minichelli=dubbel with half twist in the first phase)

Khorkina did salto with full twist from one leg in the beam
final and got 9.9.

In the morning training before the finals I saw her doing
5 beam programs and all was perfect. She is the queen!

Vasilienko did not compete because he shall go threw a
foot operation next week.

In the Russian nationals there was a p-bars specialist.
He did a long program whith Tippelt, Tumolovich, dubbel back,
dubbel front, and finished with Healy-Healy-dubbel front out.

All men in the russian nationals did dubbel back piked from

We competed at american apparatus. AAI. Very good.

A Ucrainian girl did Comanetch in uneaven bars. (Kip direct

A russian girl did TRIPPEL from uneaven bars but touched her
hands in landing.

If I remember more highlights I will post them.


Date:    Thu, 30 Mar 1995 13:39:23 GMT
From:    ***@NEON.DCS.KCL.AC.UK
Subject: Introduction

Hi!  My names Aminur, (all my friends call me Bygsy though).  I've
been around for quite a while now but as yet I haven't got round to
introducing myself.  I found gymn through one of the internet "yellow

I've been doing gymnastics for the past three years and I've loved
every single minute of it!  I can't think of a sport which is so
enjoyable,  never gets boring cause there is so much variety in it.
I also love watching anything to do wiv gym.  Unfortunately,  here in
England they don't show much gym on t.v.  I've got a competition this
saturday which is being hosted by the BAGA for all the Universities
in UK.  This is the competition for which the competitors can qualify
for the world student games.

I'm quite well prepared for it!  The only apparatus that I'm not
ready for is the high bar.  We'll see what happens.  Wish me luck.

I'm an 18year old at King's College London,  reading for a degree in
Physics & Computer Science.  I'm still living at home cause it's much
cheaper than renting cause everything in London is so expensive!!

I have to travel far to go to my gym because there are'nt that many
faclilities to do gymanstics for my level.  I have to travel about 20
odd miles to go there.

Did anybody record the World Team Championships?  Cause if you did I
would be interested in purchasing,  swapping... if off you.  I have
many videos which I can swap.  If you send me a list of what you
have,  I'll get in touch with you,  so that something can be arranged.

That's all for now.  Keep all the good work up at gymn.  It's the only
way to keep upto date with whats going on around the gymnastics



Date:    Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:33:51 -0500
Subject: Comebacks

It was interesting to hear that Brandi Johnson was attempting a comeback.
Does anyone have any more information?  Where is she training?  What is
her purpose?

A few months ago they had a piece on the local news here in Orlando, FL
about Wendy Bruce.  Evidently, she is back in the gym at Brown's.  I'm
not sure exactly what she is planning either.  Does anyone know?



Date:    Thu, 30 Mar 1995 15:01:11 -0500
From:    ***@SIDWELL.EDU
Subject: Re: The Adrenalin Invite

> Any real gymnasts


> out there notice a keen difference between training and competition?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.  For me, the adrenaline makes a big
difference--usually I do a lot better in competition than I do in
practice.  For example, going into my last meet, I had never done a
full-difficulty (difficulty used loosely here :), no-fall bar routine.
Somehow I managed to do one in warmups and in the actual competition.
During warmups at a meet I can suddenly go down in all my splits :).  The
only event where I would say adrenaline doesn't help me just about all the
time is on beam.

Many of my teammates, however, don't do as well in competition as they do
in practice.  One girl on my team does all her routines just fine in
practice, but in meets she worries that people are watching her, so she
doesn't perform as well.

> Do the successful gymnasts use the situation to excel, or block out the
> crowd and pretend they're in the gym practicing by themselves?

Not being a successful gymnast, I couldn't tell you what successful
gymnasts do, but I can tell you what I do :).  On floor, especially, the
adrenaline helps me take my tumbling a little higher, make my poses a
little sharper, etc.  But on beam, I want to pretend like I'm in the gym
by myself.  This is probably because I do good beam routines all the time
in the gym, but floor...well...let's just say it's hard to do level 8
floor routines without a spring floor.  So I hope to do a beam routine in
a meet like I do it in the gym--not so with floor routines.



Date:    Thu, 30 Mar 1995 13:02:32 -0700
From:    ***@ASU.EDU
Subject: Re: Moscow News

>A russian girl did TRIPPEL from uneaven bars but touched her
>hands in landing.

Is this Alexandra Sorokina?  Is she alive still?

Amanda :-)


Date:    Thu, 30 Mar 1995 16:24:53 -0500
Subject: Russian Nationals

     As soon as I get the Sovetsky Sport that covers this competition, I'll let
you know what it was! Amanda is right that Russia held a championship meet in
the fall, but I think they called it "The Russian Cup." It was followed by "the
Russian Championships in the Individual Events." The Soviets used to do this
too - have the USSR Cup and then the USSR Champs in the individual events. So
maybe this recent meet was actually "the Russian Championships." I'll need to
see the Russian to be sure. But it's all very confusing, to put it mildly!
     The Russian mail has been unusually slow these days - I haaven't received
any copies of SS for WEEKS. But if they start showing up again, I'll post full
results of whatever competitions  it covers , plus any good quotes they might
have. :)



Date:    Thu, 30 Mar 1995 19:57:34 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Zmeskal

Well, I'm going to the gold gymnastics spectacular on the 7th and Kim is
scheduled to appear, so I'll see how she looks.  I hope shes not injured like
the one in mexico city.  Unfortunatly, i dont have VIP tickets so i cant see
her at the autograph session.  Kim is still my favorite gymnast and I hope
she can successfully comeback!


Date:    Thu, 30 Mar 1995 20:34:35 EST
From:    ***@BBN.COM
Subject: Ruling in Brown Title IX suit

According to a front-page article in Thursday's NY Times (3/30/95),
a Federal judge has ruled that Brown University discriminated
against female athletes when it droped women's gymnastics and
volleyball in 1991, in violation of Title IX.  The article
goes on to discuss the possible implications of the ruling:
actions by and on behalf of women at other universities,
cutting back on men's teams to equalize the support for
both sexes.

The judge based his decision on a proportionality
argument:  Brown's enrollment is 51% female, but women
make up only about 40% of its varsity athletes.  The judge
said Brown "failed to comply in every way with Title IX."
Brown will appeal; the judge stayed his order pending
the appeal.  If the appeal is denied, Brown will cut
funding for mean's sports instead of increasing it for
women's sports.

The suit was filed in 1992, and the judge had granted
a preliminary injuction requiring the funding for the
two women's teams be reinstated.

The trial last fall took 3 months, and featured expert testimony
for Brown that men are more interested in sports than women.



Date:    Thu, 30 Mar 1995 21:58:56 -0500
Subject: more romanian questions

does anybody have an old IG from nov. or dec. 1989-i am looking of rthe
article about the club with coaches named Petru and Christine Ioan-they
same group visited my old club in Portland OR and what i saw there (ch\ild
abuse) was completely opposite of what the article said the coaches were
like-i unfortunately gave my copy to a newspaper reporter (who never
followed through with his promise to return it :(...) for an article-if
anyone can send my a photocopy please let me


End of GYMN-L Digest - 29 Mar 1995 to 30 Mar 1995