GYMN-L Digest - 26 Apr 1995 to 27 Apr 1995

There are 11 messages totalling 181 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. Coaches treatment (3)
2. Bonus Questions
3. Barcelona scoring
4. Coaches Treatment
5. Addresses anyone? (2)
6. EUROPEAN CUP?
7. Coaches treatment--Helen
8. Novice Optional

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 00:09:58 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Coaches treatment

I am sorry this sounds so stupid but what does IMHO mean?
Emily

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 01:02:19 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Bonus Questions

I have a few questions about what's considered combination bonus and what's
not. Is a half-turn right into a straddle Yaeger worth 0.2? Or is it not a
combination and worth 0.1? How about a half-turn right into a double front?
Is it worth 0.3 for a combination? Or 0.2 for the "E" dismount? I was also
wondering if Pod's FF into a piked Chen received bonus? It seems with the
trend of routines that you need two ff's before an element to get bonus (i.e.
Piskun's two ff's to layout to two feet) Thanks for any help.---Brian

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:54:19 +0200
From: ***@MAIL.LSS.CO.ZA
Subject: Coaches treatment

My coaches are very tough but somewhere deep down inside they really want
what is best for us and want us to do the best that we can. We do get hit
but only if we really deserve it. It is hard to explain what my coaches
are really like because they are often in good moods but also often in
bad ones. I won't post any more mail with regards to this subject.

Helen.

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 19:18:22 EST-11
From: ***@DISINFORMATION.BF.RMIT.EDU.AU
Subject: Barcelona scoring

There is a lot of biased in scoring. Have a look at the gymnasts
face when they get a crummy score for a great routine.

American gymnasts were not the only ones shafted in Barcelona. Can
anyone explain why Lisa Read and Monique Allen did not get at least
9.90 for their optional bars - two releases, impeccable form,
sufficient difficulty....did they have the wrong leotard on or
something???????????

Then again, although I think Dominque Dawes is a great gymnast, the
judges don't seem to notice some of her more obvious form breaks,
especially during her backflips on beam.

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 07:23:40 -0400
From: ***@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU
Subject: Re: Coaches treatment

Helen:
If you don't want to discuss your coaches further that is up to you.
But no one DESERVES to be hit regardless of what they may have done.
Take care of yourself. Monica

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 07:57:01 -0400
From: ***@A1.CSOC.UMC.DUPONT.COM
Subject: Coaches Treatment

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Helen,

I am only going to say this once, since you don't seem disposed
to talk about it any more. Nobody ever, ever, ever deserves to
be hit. NEVER. Anybody who tells you, or makes you feel that you
deserve it is lying to you. Take care of yourself.

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:28:09 +0200
From: ***@MAIL.LSS.CO.ZA
Subject: Addresses anyone?

Could someone give some addresses where I could write to gymnasts, eg.
Onodi, Sylvia Mitova, Annika Reeder, Daniela Silivas, and any others you
think I might like to write to. Thanks.

Helen.

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 07:56:26 PDT
From: ***@MCM.COM
Subject: EUROPEAN CUP?

When is the European cup? How would one get tickets if they just might
be in Rome this summer.

Josh

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:50:00 -0400
From: ***@POSTOFFICE4.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU
Subject: Re: Addresses anyone?


> Could someone give some addresses where I could write to gymnasts, eg.
> Onodi, Sylvia Mitova, Annika Reeder, Daniela Silivas, and any others you
> think I might like to write to. Thanks.
>
> Helen.
>

I would like some addresses, too, but the one thing that I wonder about is
how good their English is. I'm sure many foreign gymnasts know English, but
what if we want to write to someone that doesn't?
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:07:01 +0500
From: ***@CAPITAL.EDU
Subject: Coaches treatment--Helen

Helen--you honestly seem to be in denial here, much as anyone who has
experienced these problems would be. You are enabling them to do what they
have been doing. You don't deserve to be hit--ever. Whether they are in
good or bad moods, you shouldn't put up with it. Not posting any more mail
on the subject will only make you hold it in longer and that is very unhealthy
and damaging to you. My mom is a recovered alchoholic and what you're doing
is the same as me saying, "She's not that bad. She only drinks once in awhile.
She's not like the other alcoholics." At one time I said things like that but
I realized that it was a problem and that I should not be making excuses for
her. Does this make sense?? I hope so. Hang in there and think positively
of yourself--I'm sure you're a great person and gymnast!!!

Marni

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:27:00 -0500
From: ***@MERCK.COM
Subject: Novice Optional

To all Gymners that responded to my questions about older gymnasts Thank you
I think it helped a lot I gauss I have more confidence now ore at least I am
doing a lot better. One person who responded to my E-Mail explained what
Novice Optional was and they were right that novice optional was suppose to
be that way but it is not turning out that way. It is turning out to be a
very competitive level. It is a breaker level to get people ready for
optional. I thought that there would be more older girls in this level but
including myself there were only 3 girls in ages 16 and up. I was very
disappointed. This was at a sectional meet. I qualified for states but I
hurt my back really bad I must have pulled something. I have one question
about an element. I don't know what is called but it is a drop from high bar
to low bar with a half turn to the low bar so when you get back on the low
bar your back is facing the high bar. If anybody could tell me what kind of
difficulty level that it is I would be very grateful.


Thanks for listening.
Sally

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