GYMN-L Digest - 23 Mar 1995 to 24 Mar 1995
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are 11 messages totalling 401 lines in this
issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Olga Chudina
2. France Telecom results (3)
3. if anyone,
chew on ABC (2)
4. info about World Gymnaestrada?
5. This, that, and door #3
6. If anyone, chew on ABC
7. preempting
(2)
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 00:33:53
-0700
From: ***@ASU.EDU
Subject:
Olga Chudina
This is random, but does anyone
know what republic Olga Chudina is from?
I know
they have camels in Uzbekistan, but I can't remember if she is
Kazakh or Uzbek or what.
PLEASE EMAIL!!!
Amanda
:-)
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 05:15:16
-0700
From: ***@ASU.EDU
Subject:
Re: France Telecom results
>- On womens
floor, Begue (FRA) has dynamic dance AND tumbles
which
is
nice to see. (Her dance movements are very expressive)<
Begue is very impressive to me. She has unreal leaps on beam also,
and
her floor (from 94 Jr
Euros, maybe she has a new one by now) is downright
funky
and the back spin is too cool of course.
>Mao Yanling
is a Chinese which can tumble (double layout for
starters).
I think we may be seeing that new generation of Chinese
women, much
stronger in the all-around. Since they came on the scene in the late
70's
the Chinese women have traditionally been
weak on floor and vault (power
wise) but strong on
beam and bars of course. The new
gymnasts from China
recently have really made
great strides in these areas. Mo Huilan of
course, is a great
tumbler and vaulter as well, and the Chinese gymnast
at
the recent American Cup (was it Li Jiya? It
escapes me) was doing a Y-1
1/2 vault as well as a double layout and full-in on floor.
I am really
glad that the Chinese gymnasts
are starting to get the scores they
deserve, such
as the girl on the team in Dortmund who, despite being
"unknown," still managed a 9.85 or so on optional
beam. It's difficult to
say this about all but a few teams, but the Chinese gymnasts
are real
ARTISTS. And it is ARTISTIC gymnastics of course.
>Dina
Kochetkova (somebody said she's dyed her hair black
during
Chunichi... don't know i
that's treu but her hair is definitely blonde
here)<
Her hair was definitely black in
Japan. Is it *blonde* blonde now,
like
her and Chusovitina
and Stovbchataya had slumber party and did each
other's hair, blonde?
Yes this is so pertinent to gymnastics but I still
wanna know. :-)
>didn't look too comfortable, she fell short in her last
tumble
(full-in back-out) and fell forwards...
which ended her not too happy
competition.<
Is
she still injured? Did the
announcers say anything about her old injury?
Amanda :-)
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 05:49:02
-0700
From: ***@ASU.EDU
Subject:
Re: if anyone, chew on ABC
>> I still think that if NBC can devote 7
hours to the World
>>Figure Skating Championships, they can give more
time to U.S. Nationals.
Who cares about Nationals, I notice Figure
Skating Worlds gets prime time.
Gymnastics worlds should get equal
coverage. I know our gym national
team
members aren't Dobre-ing
each other's knees for spots on teams and such,
but
gymnastics is more popular, and besides, that's a bad excuse because
Worlds has ALWAYS gone prime time for skating even before
Lillehammer.
And of course no coverage of Europeans last year was bad. ABC usually
always
covers that. But why don't we get
more international meets
throughout the year? Such as the French
Telecom for instance? Chunichi
and DTB would be
nice. Network crews go Neptune for
the tennis and golf
tour. Didn't the polls that show gymnastics
was #1 or #2 in the ratings
affect the network
people?
By the way, MOTOR RACING IS *NOT* A SPORT!!!!!!!!
>I
don't think NBC is the issue. Look
at ABC who showed all of 5 minutes of
>the Reeses Cup, and shows parts of Worlds 6 months later. What about CBS
>that doesn't cover gymnastics [except for 1 yearly hour of
NCAA] at all!
ABC is the guilty party for the Europeans letdown. And of course their
coverage of everything pretty much sucks, I'm trying to
think of an
exception, hmm, no, can't think of
one. Well let's see, Kathy
Johnson
walking on her hands, hmm, sure, I'd
rather see that than Fab on floor.
I
love routines. ABC should be #1 on the gymnastics fan's
hit list. I
can't
stand waiting through 3 hours of bowling to get 40 minutes of
gymnastics, cut out 15 of that for profiles on NFL stars
playing ultimate
frisbee
and of course Jim Mckay previewing next week's Nascar race.
BOOOOOOORRR-RRIINNNNGGGGG.
>If
you want to start a 'campaign,' my suggestion would be to focus it on
>ABC's
Worlds coverage of Sabae.
Really. By the way, has anyone heard if there
will be coverage of team,
and by who? NBC did Dortmund, but ESPN did Indy and
Stuttgart too, I
believe.
Amanda
:-)
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:17:16
CST
From: ***@ADMIN.STEDWARDS.EDU
Subject:
Re: if anyone, chew on ABC
> throughout
the year? Such as
the French Telecom for instance?
Chunichi
> and
DTB would be nice.
>
I seem to remember ESPN covering the DTB Cup a
few years ago (Silivas and Golea
were 1-2 on the women's side) and the coverage was pretty
decent. And IMHO,
ESPN's
coverage of the Stuttgart team optionals was
exceptional.
In a perfect world we'd see every big meet "Triplecast" style. Wouldn't that
be
great? I loved NBC's Triplecast in Barcelona. When, in the past, did we
EVER get
to see the individual entries compete?
How nice to have an opportunity
to see the
likes of Becks, Portacarrero, Mercer, etc.
:-)
Cole
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:26:08
+0600
From: ***@SCOTER.CDEV.COM
Subject:
info about World Gymnaestrada?
The message
below (slightly edited for brevity) is from a fellow
in
Belgium, Erik Laurent, who is looking for information about
teams attending the World Gymnaestrada.
If you can help him out,
please reply directly to
Erik at ***@vnet.atea.be. I've sent him
information
about subscribing to Gymn.
--John
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Begin Included Message -----
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 9:21:40 +0100
From:
***@vnet.atea.be> (Erik Laurent)
Subject: Gymnastics: 10th World Gymnaestrada
[ Gymn questions omitted ]
For some time now,
I've been hoping to find some e-mail addresses
where
I could get gymnastics-related information. Perhaps you could
provide me some more.
As I am responsible for one
of the teams which take part in the 10th
World Gymnaestrada,
my special interest goes to addresses which bring
me information about this event, or even better, the
addresses of
other Gymnaestrada-participants.
Could you, by any chance, tell me
how and where I
can get this kind of information.
Kind regards,
Erik
Laurent
[ home and work addresses & phone
numbers omitted ]
e-mail:
P82670@vnet.atea.be
----- End Included Message -----
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 11:35:00
PST
From: ***@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject:
This, that, and door #3
What is the story with Dina Kotchetkova?
She hasn't really been on since
Goodwill.. is her foot (?) still injured? I was a little disappointed
that she was ignored during the coverage of Dortmund... I
mean, shes
not my
favorite or anything, but she was the Goodwill Games champion at
the time..
Which brings us to TV coverage.. not since ESPN did Stuttgart and
showed
the teams 5-8 rotation have I been happy
with television coverage.. ESPN
usually does a
super job and it is almost worth me trying to make friends
with people who have cable in order to see it..
All
the networks' coverage sucks, and it is pointless to compare them as
it is clearly the lesser of 3 evils, which will always lead
to evil (see
1992 Presidential Election)..
For
all you people who have the Code of Points.. what is a pike tsuk
off beam worth.. is it in
there? I haven't seen one since Voinea did one
at '85
Worlds... it was way cool..
Thanks..
Brett
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 20:52:26
GMT
From: ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject:
Re: France Telecom results
Amanda wrote:
- [on Begue]
> and
> her floor (from 94 Jr Euros, maybe she has a new one by now) is downright
>
funky and the back spin is too cool of course.
I
think she is still having the same floor (the above mentioned
sounds
like it although I can't remember how her
94 Junior Euro floor was)
- [on Kochetkova]
> Her hair was definitely black in
Japan. Is it *blonde* blonde now,
like
> her and Chusovitina
and Stovbchataya had slumber party and did each
>
other's hair, blonde? Yes this is so pertinent to gymnastics
but I still
> wanna
know. :-)
Just to reply to this briefly :) no it wasn't *blonde*
blonde, it's like
what she looked like before (in
Dortmund, Brisbane, Stockholm, etc.)
- [still
on Kochetkova]
> Is she still
injured? Did the announcers say
anything about her old injury?
The announcer said
"$%$&%#&&%^&" (French) and the commentator said
"*#&%$(&*%("
(German).
......
Sherwin :)
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 21:03:28
GMT
From: ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject:
Re: France Telecom results
> The announcer said
"$%$&%#&&%^&" (French) and the commentator said
>
"*#&%$(&*%(" (German).
Ooops. My mistake. The commentary was actually in English
but they didn't
say anything about her injury. (I
even doubt that they know she had one)
And I managed to see the
Chunichi'94 too, yep Kochet's
hair was black.
Sherwin
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 19:19:45
-0500
From: ***@MHC.MTHOLYOKE.EDU
Subject:
Re: If anyone, chew on ABC
I deleted the original post about this, but
don't complain about NBC=20
showing 7 hrs of skating Worlds...=FBwe
over on the skating list have been=
=20
complaining
about a mere 7 compared to the 13 or so in Canada! I do,=20
however, agree, that not enough gymnastics is shown (though
I'd love to=20
see it anywhere but NBC, as their
commentators really annoy me) I think=20
it would
really help the sport if we got to see more than just Shannon=20
and Dom D., with a couple of Amanda's routines thrown in
when we do get=20
to see anything, and also more
than just 2 seconds of the top men, or=20
should I
say, man, in each event. And this is totally off the subject,=20
but someone was saying something about Amanda's smile
and=20
personality...did you know that she looks
almost exactly like Jayne=20
Torvill from around 1979?
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 20:31:16
-0500
From: ***@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
Subject:
preempting
I can sympathize with Lani and other people in
cities that preempt
gymnastics. Back when CBS had
the rights to American Cup, the local
affiliate
here in Columbus ALWAYS preempted it. I met a gym fan here who never
knew the meet was EVER shown on TV! When I moved here in
1989, CBS preempted it
for a rerun of Columbo. I was SO mad that I did write to the station, and
they
sent me the most ridiculous reply. The
program director said that there was NO
interest
in gymnastics in Columbus, whereas Columbo was very
popular. I could
not believe it. I mean, this was
1989, when Columbus hosted the US-USSR meet,
and
it's been host of the Buckeye Classic - the largest invitational in the US
- since 1983.
Not to mention the Ohio State men's team, which is usually
quite good (this was when Mike Racanelli
was on team). That was quite a bit of
gymnastics
for a city with "no interest" in the sport! Thank goodness NBC
got
the rights to American Cup, so now we can see
it here. But Nationals sometimes
get preempted for
movies like "Love Story." It's very aggravating, but I've
learned to rely on friends in other cities who are nice
enough to send me
copies of meets that are
preempted here or joined "in progress" because an
OSU basketball
game runs overtime... That drives me crazy too. These meets are
nearly always
taped, so I don't understand why the local affiliates can't
just start them late. The Reese's Cup this year was joined
"in progress," so I
missed everything
before the very end of Keswick's floor. Does anyone know
why
the local affiliates can't just start the show 10-15 minutes late and show
us the whole thing? It seems like they do that on Sunday
nights, when football
runs overtime.
Back to OSU
basketball, the local ABC affiliate here has a contract with
the team to air certain games NO MATTER WHAT ABC might be
showing nationally.
Last year an OSU game happened to fall at the same time
as the US Ladies'
Figure Skating Championships, in prime time. A coworker
and I both called the
station to complain, and
they explained about their contract with OSU (which I
believe
is a valid excuse), but then gave us this song-and-dance about how the
national network wouldn't allow them to show the skating at
a different time.
(We had suggested that they just put the skating on after
the ball game -what's
so
hard about that?) They INSISTED that this was utterly impossible, but
after
Nancy Kerrigan got whacked in the knee and suddenly the skating
became a BIG
story, the impossible
"magically" became possible, and they aired the skating
at 11 p.m.
Apparently they had gotten a LOT of viewer complaints, which caused
them to change their mind. So I advise everyone to call the
local affiliates
when they're going to preempt
gymnastics. It might not always work, but it's
worth
a try. And David is right - it's the LOCAL stations you have to complain
to, not the people in New York. The affiliates make the
decision about
preempting.
Beth
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 21:10:03
EST
From: ***@BBN.COM
Subject:
Re: preempting
>meets that are preempted
here or joined "in progress" because an
>OSU basketball game
runs overtime... That drives me crazy too. These meets are
>nearly always taped, so I don't understand why the local
affiliates can't
>just start them late. The
Reese's Cup this year was joined "in progress," so I
>missed everything before the very end of Keswick's floor.
Does anyone know
>why the local affiliates
can't just start the show 10-15 minutes late and show
>us the whole thing? It seems like they do that on Sunday
nights, when football
>runs overtime.
The
explanation (not an excuse) is that the OSU games are apparently
a non-network item, while the Sunday football is a network
program.
Thus the network "feed" for Sunday will be delayed by
however
long it takes to finish the football,
because it's all on the
network. However, the network neither knows nor
cares about any
local programming like OSU games,
so they send out the Wide
World of Sports (or whatever) feed at 4:30 Eastern,
and then
start feeding the regular network
programming at 8 p.m.
If the affiliate is showing something local when the
afternoon
feed starts, they can either join in
progress, or, as Beth noted
can
"magically" happen, they can tape the afternoon feed
and show it after the evening feed is completed.
But
they don't really have the option of bumping the
entire
evening's schedule by 15 minutes.
>>Kathy
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