GYMN-L Digest - 21 Jun 1995 to 22 Jun 1995

There are 17 messages totalling 468 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. USA video mag
  2. Scores
  3. Joan Ryan excerpt
  4. slip grip? (3)
  5. newbie
  6. TV Alert (4)
  7. <No subject given>
  8. personal experience
  9. Budget Invite - Men's Press Conference, pt 2
 10. USA vs. UKR
 11. Chinese Leos & Olomouc
 12. AS God is my witness......


Date:    Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:01:29 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: USA video mag

How do you order the video mag. and how much does it cost?


Date:    Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:50:44 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Scores

>How about the lowest score for a completed routine in international

A friend of mine got a 3.00 twice (C & O) on PH at the Central
American-Caribbean Games in '86.



Date:    Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:06:41 -0500
Subject: Joan Ryan excerpt

The June issue of Redbook magazine has an excerpt from Joan Ryan's
controversial book.  The article is entitled "Little Girl Lost:  The Tragedy
of a Teenage Gymnast".  The Julissa Gomez story is the main feature of the
article although Christy Henrich also receives a fair amount of attention.
The cover blurb is entitled "How Olympic Dreams Killed Her Little Girl".



Date:    Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:14:58 CST
From:    ***@CHSRA.WISC.EDU
Subject: slip grip?

Here's something I've been meaning to ask:  what is a "slip grip"?  I
haven't been able to figure it out from the context in which it's
been used.  I assume we're talking about some sort of move on bars,



Date:    Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:38:48 PDT
From:    ***@MAIL.LSS.CO.ZA
Subject: Re: slip grip?

A slip grip is a move on UB. It's in the Senior compulsories. In the set you
do clear circle to ! half turn swing through, almost for a giant and swing
back again into a back straddle to ! I suppose it's called a slip grip
because when you swing back you 'slip your grips!'  :)


Date:    Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:15:30 -0500
From:    ***@STOLAF.EDU
Subject: newbie

Hello everyone and how "many everyone's are on this list?"

I am new here and I wanted to give a brief intro.  I am not involved
in gymnastics to the extent of many of you I am sure but I coach part
time.  I work with the MAGA (midwest amatuer gymnastics association)
teams and also coached High School last year.  I have also worked with
gymnnastics at Lake Owen Training Camp for a few weeks the last few

Anyway, I love the sport, the girls (sorry I have no experience with
men's) and everything about it.  I hope to gain more knowledge and
become a better coach and resource for the girls I work with.  Thanks
for letting me be a part of your group.



Date:    Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:32:12 EDT
From:    ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject: slip grip?

A slip grip is like a front giant, but your hands are still in the
back giant position (I hate that move)- used to be in my UB routine.


Date:    Thu, 22 Jun 1995 13:01:41 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: TV Alert

NBC will be airing the USA vs UKR meet that took place in San Jose last
weekend this Sunday on Sportsworld at 3-5 PM Eastern time.


PS - Also I think that ABC will have the first part of it's European Cup
coverage on Saturday but check your local listings to make sure.


Date:    Thu, 22 Jun 1995 13:55:07 EDT
From:    ***@BBN.COM
Subject: Re: TV Alert

Susan writes:

>NBC will be airing the USA vs UKR meet that took place in San Jose last
>weekend this Sunday on Sportsworld at 3-5 PM Eastern time.

>PS - Also I think that ABC will have the first part of its European Cup
>coverage on Saturday but check your local listings to make sure.

This will be on Wide Worlds of Sports, Saturday 4:30 - 6 p.m. EDT, in
a split bill (I forget what other sporting event is being covered).
Local stations often change when they broadcast WWoS, so do
check your local listings!



Date:    Thu, 22 Jun 1995 13:34:43 -0600
Subject: <No subject given>

Two questions:

1) Does anyone know what the uniform violation that the Chinese female
gymnasts had forced upon them by the judges at Barcelona? It was, according to
J. Tesh "Because they didn't like how their leotards fit". What was the
problem- I couldn't tell.

2) Anyone know how to located video coverage of Olumouc, '84, the
alternaet Olympics where Mostepanova was awesome? I would love to see this,
since I never saw her perform. I checked Alix's list, but it wasn;t on there.
Does anyone know of Eurosports email? They might have been there as the
Britsth competed, I think?

Thanks Everyone.............Jeff

P.S. Homepage under construction.


Date:    Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:33:43 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: personal experience

Hi everyone!

As I've said before, I'm not a gymnast, so I'm not too familiar with what
goes on behind the scenes.  I was hoping some of you would be willing to help
me with some research I'm doing (Don't worry--it's not for a gym-bashing
book!!!).  I am interested in leaning about the daily activities in a gym for
elite level girls: boring stuff, like your daily routine (training, school
and travel).  I need to know specifically what you do in the gym--what kind
of warm-ups, conditioning, time spent on each apparatus, that kind of stuff.
 Parents, coaches, or gymnasts who have this info, please feel free to e-mail
me.  I'm not writing a piece for a newspaper, so I won't be using any names
or personal info--I'm just trying to get a general composite of the training
schedule of an elite (or someone close to it).
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

Ann Marie


Date:    Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:50:58 -0700
From:    ***@ENG.SUN.COM
Subject: Budget Invite - Men's Press Conference, pt 2

Part two of the Budget press conference, men's.  Igor has left, so
it's the press and John Roethlesberger.

GYMN: Okay, John, you have to give your answers in Russian.

JR:  (Laughs) Sure, no problem.

GYMN: John, do you follow the score at these meets?  Or do you pretty
much blank out on that?

JR: I was hearing the scores as they announced them after each event.
I wasn't really aware how close it was.  I knew it was pretty tight in
the last event.  Not real closely do I follow the score.

GYMN:  You had a fall on highbar.  Was it hard for you to get back on

JR: For the rest of my routine?

GYMN: Yeah.

JR: A little bit.  It always is.  You don't...When I compete I don't
expect to miss.  I expect to do what I train to do.  So when you miss
it kind of throws you off a little bit.  But for the rest of my
routine I've done those skills for a long time, so it was relatively
automatic.  It wasn't too much of a problem.

GYMN:  Did you repeat the skill that you missed on?  I forget.

JR: No, I just continued my routine from there.

Q: John, how do you work dual meets in your head?  For example
training for U.S. championships and international competition.
Individual competition you're doing your own thing, but dual meets
you're always...

JR: The team competition you mean?

Q: Yes.

JR: It's difficult for me because I always am kind of withdrawn and
into myself when I compete, and in a team you don't want to be that
way.  You know, you want to be there for your teammates and be
supportive, so it's kind of a fine balance.  I prepare the same way. I
have to do my part.  I have to do my one-sixth or whatever, so I've
got to conentrate on what I'm doing.  But as far as when I'm competing
I try to keep track of my teammates and try to help them out but also
stay focused on what I'm doing.  So really I prepare the same way, but
I compete slightly differently.  You know, I'll help them set the bars
or congratulate them when they're done.

Q: Did you feel any more pressure today since Rob was injured?

JR: Umm... Not really, no.  We could have used him.  Definitely he
would have helped, but you know the bottom line is you just have to go
in and hit your stuff.  Actually I felt more pressure when I got here
and about six people came up to me and told me that, "You've got to
win, John."  (Laughs)  NBC came and did a thing on Minneapolis and
said, "John, you're the main guy in this meet.  You'd better win, you
know?"  After about six people said that to me, I'm like, "Give me a
break!" (Laughs) You know, "Leave me alone!"  But, you know it's like
you always got to go out and do your thing.  You know, hit your sets
and count on your teammates to hit there sets.

Q:  Along that same line.  You're obviously the person here with the
most experience.  Usually it's like you and Scott or you and, you
know, you and someone else, but this time you were far and above by
yourself.  Did that add pressure at all?

JR: Umm, well yeah it did a little bit, I felt... In a team situation
you'd like to lean on your teammates.  You know, I like to go, you
know like when I was in college I loved it, because, I'd go in there
and say "It doesn't matter what I do, because I know my teammates are
going to go in and hit", and I felt like (today) they were looking
towards me a little bit more and expecting me to do certain things.
And, it's a little bit nerveracking but I kind of like it at the same
time.  You know, as long as I can back it up with my performance.  It
definitely feels good.

GYMN:  Along those lines, do you think much about the '96 team?

JR:  Umm, yeah, I hope *I'm* on it (laughter).  You know gymnastics,
it's a crazy sport.  You know I went and watched the USA volleyball
team about a month ago?  And they have their team already.  They have
no questions.  They're just playing and trying to get better.  And I
can be the world champion on every event in every meet from '93 to May
of '96 and if I don't perform and the rest of the guys don't perform
in May and June of '96, well, you're *watching* the Olympics.  You
know and that's terrifying.  And I think about it.  I think, you know,
I guess I have somewhat of an opinion of who will or should or will be
good on the team, but that doesn't mean a damn thing because, hey, you
know, it's just a crapshoot kind of, you know.  I mean, you work as
hard as you can.  It's not like you go by luck, but you've got to be
right at the right time.  And ready and in shape. I mean Scott
Keswick's hurt right now and I don't know how serious it is.  But that
could be me.  That could be anybody.  So, it's crazy.  I can't, no one
can say.  Unfortunately, because if they could just, could just
average out these last three years where I placed I'd be happy.

Q: Who would you choose if you had to pick right now the US team?

JR: Am I in trouble? (Laughter)

Q: No, no, just right now, just an opinion.

JR: Well I think, uh, I think the top five guys from last summer at
Nationals are pretty solid.  The older guys, Bill, Scott, myself
hopefully, Miahi, Steve McCain.  Then, you know, there are a couple of
more spots.  I really have a lot of faith in... You know not to
diminish what some of the young guys have accomplished, but I have a
lot of faith in the older guys?  You know a lot of people are looking
past the older guys, but I think, you know Chris Waller hasn't been
near the top in the last couple years, but I competed with him in
Argentina and he's got the killer instinct that's competitive, and
he knows what it takes and there's Chainey Umphrey and Jerrod Hanks
even, so I mean, there's, I really have faith in a lot of the older
guys, not that the younger guys won't or couldn't help a tremendous
amount, but I think the experience might carry us a long way.

Q: Your tricks are, you've been doing a lot of the same routines in
the last few competitions at least and I was reading at Pan Ams you
dismounted a double double.  Are you working new crazy tricks like
that into your other routines?

JR:  Um, I'm trying to.  I'm always trying to do as much difficulty as
I can and still be consistent?  Today I did four new routines  I did a
new routine on horse.  I did a new one on rings, Pbars and highbar.
And, uh, yeah, I want to do a double double dismount.  I will do the
double double dismount on floor.  I have a couple of new tricks on
every event.  Actually, the highbar routine I did today, that's what I
want to do for the next year.  I don't want to change that.  I need to
get a new vault.  I've been working on that.  So, you know I'm always,
I always get criticised because people say I'm consistent and not
flashy, you know, not that I really care about that criticism, but,
you know, I'm always trying to do the most difficult things that I
can.  But I'm not going to sacrifice my consistency to take a risk on
more difficult skills.  Bottom line is if you don't hit, like I did
today... You know if I had done my easier, if I had done my old higbar
set that I did for the last year tonight, I would have won.  But I
didn't.  You know, so maybe, you know, maybe that was a mistake, but
maybe it was good to get the experience.  At any rate I'm always
trying to do more stuff.  And I'm, uh, going to try to get some more
stuff in for USA but chances are, if it's not 95% in practice then I'm
not going to do it.

Q:  What was different about Pbars and Rings?

JR:  Rings I added an L cross at the end which I held, uh, maybe for a
millisecond. (Laughter)  Uh, parallel bars the mount sequence, where I
did the hop to the outside of the bar.  That was new.  Actually the
parallel bar routine I did tonight I've never done before in my life,
because I actually screwed up.  I was supposed to do one Healy twirl
and then a hop, and the Healy twirl was really slow and couldn't have
done a hop out of it, so I had to do another Healy twirl and hopped
outside, and so that's why I was kind of chuckling to myself when I
landed my dismount, because I was happy that I managed to pull it off.
And highbar, the one-armed Tkatchev which, I missed.  And horse, just
kind of rearranged my routine.



Date:    Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:09:29 -0500
Subject: USA vs. UKR

Date sent:  22-JUN-1995 17:09:15
Could someone please post the scores from USA VS UKR?


Date:    Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:28:43 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Chinese Leos & Olomouc

>1) Does anyone know what the uniform violation that the Chinese female
gymnasts had forced upon them by the judges at Barcelona?

Believe it or not, they took the deduction becuase the leos were cut (or
pulled up) too high in the hips/bottom area!

>2) Anyone know how to located video coverage of Olumouc, '84, the
alternaet Olympics where Mostepanova was awesome?

If anyone does, *please* cc me on the info!



Date:    Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:54:40 -0700
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: TV Alert

> This will be on Wide Worlds of Sports, Saturday 4:30 - 6 p.m. EDT, in
> a split bill (I forget what other sporting event is being covered).
        Mountain biking!

Laura :)


Date:    Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:00:39 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: TV Alert

Unlike other entities which split up gymnastics with some arcane sports, NBC
will air 2 complete hours of USA-UKR with the usual commercial breaks. The
show airs Sunday from 3-5 edt, check your local listings in other markets.

It all begins with 3 minutes of the Live New York Studio. The only other
interruption will be 3 minutes of studio near the end of the show.

Featured Sunday is the Men's event. The top finishers will be seen on all six
apparatussesss (apparati in Latin!). Highlights of the women's event will be
seen: primarily focusing on Dominique Dawes and Amy Chow.

All the usual fluff stuff is in there (of course --- couldn't do without!!),
but lots of events get on which don't normally make air.

The field is thin, the stands are empty, but put your party hats on anyway.



Date:    Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:24:44 -0600
Subject: AS God is my witness......

I'm gonna find a way to see the Olumouc '84 Games!!!!

Still searching for a British connection to find out if Eurosports
still exists!!!!


(Insert Disclaimer about here)



End of GYMN-L Digest - 21 Jun 1995 to 22 Jun 1995