GYMN-L Digest - 20 Mar 1995 to 21 Mar 1995

There are 15 messages totalling 467 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. GYMN-L Digest - 19 Mar 1995 to 20 Mar 1995
  2. p.s. Re: Web photo pick
  3. UF-Utah Collegiate Gymnastics
  4. PAC-10 Championships (Collegiate Gymnastics)
  5. French Intl. Results
  6. gossip
  7. Nadia (2)
  8. France Telecom Trophy (AA) (2)
  9. Advil Invite (2)
 10. Chusovitina
 11. People Magazine
 12. Nadia at the 76 Olymipcs


Date:    Mon, 20 Mar 1995 23:34:52 -0500
From:    ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 19 Mar 1995 to 20 Mar 1995

Hi----I might be able to help with the movie NADIA.  I have acopy on BETA
 formatand as soon as the BetaMax is repaired I can transfer a copy to VHS for
If interested let me know.


Date:    Mon, 20 Mar 1995 21:32:19 -0700
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: p.s. Re: Web photo pick

Just a note to say that right now the four choices are women's
gymnastics.  This is not to slight men's gymnastics of course -- we'll
get photos to represent them too.  And hopefully rhythmic and sports



Date:    Tue, 21 Mar 1995 01:37:28 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: UF-Utah Collegiate Gymnastics

  Utah vs. Florida.
  Before the women's collegiate meet Monday in Gainesville even began, it
already had made history. Utah and Florida are the only two teams to qualify
for every NCAA national championship, yet this was the first time in the
storied history between the two that Utah had traveled to Florida for a
regular season meet.
  It was such a big meet that Yvonne Hodge, president of the National
Association of Women's Gymnastics Judges, was on hand to score. Toni Rand,
who is wife to the man who club coached both team's top all-arounders -
Utah's Suzanne Metz and Florida's Kristen Guise - was on hand to judge, too.
Adding to the excitement was the glare of television and the appearance of
pupils from some of Florida's top gymnastics clubs.
  In this historical meet, led by two National Coaches of the Year, Florida
went on to make history by defeating Utah for the first time ever. And it was
done in dramatic fashion, as Florida led by more than a point after two
rotations but let the lead dwindle to less than three tenths in pulling out
the victory, 194.95 to 194.725.
  "I feel great," Florida Head Coach Judi Avener said after the meet. "We
beat Utah. I know they had two kids out and we could have done better, but we
beat them. We beat Utah. We beat Utah."
  Utah was, indeed, short-handed at the meet. Aimee Trepanier and Sandy
Woolsey were both at the funeral of their club coach, Stormy Eaton. Because
of that, Utah competed only five gymnasts on vault and floor.
  "I think we did exceptional under the circumstances," Utah Head Coach Greg
Marsden said. "But we don't make any excuses. If we're here and we're going
to compete, there are no excuses."
  Florida almost lost the meet on its last event, floor, after counting a
full point in falls and step-outs. Even the battle for the all-around title,
between American Twisters Guise and Metz, boiled down to the last event,
where Guise's stumble and step-out on floor gave Metz the title, 39.65 to
39.375. Guise did win bars with a 9.925, but Metz won vault (9.95), beam
(9.925) and floor (9.9).
  "This was a little more than just another meet," Guise said afterwards. "We
wanted to win this so badly."
  A final, humorous note: After the second rotation, Marsden disappeared off
the floor, and the media was wondering where he went. Was he upset? Sick?
Hurt? Well, it seems the team was so short-handed that it lacked a babysitter
for the Marsdens' two children. So, once Greg Marsden realized his assistant
coaches could finish the job, he went into the stands and sat with his kids.
-- Ronald


Date:    Mon, 20 Mar 1995 23:16:14 -0800
Subject: PAC-10 Championships (Collegiate Gymnastics)

Hey, I'm a fan of PAC-10 women's gymnastics (especially the Beavers of
OSU). Does anyone know when the PAC-10's are being broadcast on ESPN or
whatever network is carrying it this year?

I tape these events every year and don't want to miss out....




Date:    Tue, 21 Mar 1995 06:08:35 -0800
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: French Intl. Results

From _l'Equipe_:

Men AA:
1. Misutin (UKR)        57.300
2. Shabaev (RUS)        56.925
3. Belenky (GER)        56.550
4. Sharipov (UKR)       56.250
5. Ivanov (BUL)         55.700
6. Toba (GER)           55.650
7. Ivankov (BLR)        55.600

1. Misutin              9.675
2. Ivankov              9.550
3. Nemov (RUS)          9.525
4. Aymes (FRA)          9.450
5. Korobchinsky         9.400
6. Shabaev              9.200

1. Poujade (FRA)        9.800
2. Casimir (FRA)        9.700
3. Misutin              9.625
4. Shabaev              9.600
5. Belenky              9.350
6. Mogilny              9.150

1. Chechi (ITA)         9.825
2. Toba                 9.725
3. Belenky              9.650
4. Demjanov (CRO)       9.600
4. Misutin              9.600
6. Sharipov             9.550

1. Misutin              9.475
1. Ivankov              9.475
3. Shabaev              9.400
4. Nemov                9.325
5. Aymes                9.050
6. Jinjing Zhang (CHN)  8.950

1. Sharipov             9.600
2. Nemov                9.575
3. Casimir              9.450
4. Poujade              9.400
5. Misutin              9.300
6. Ivankov              9.200

1. Preti (ITA)          9.650
2. Tayac (FRA)          9.600
3. Chechi               9.550
4. Shabaev              9.500
5. Sharipov             9.350
6. Ivankov              9.000

Women AA:
1. Khorkina (RUS)      38.955
2. Cacovean (ROM)      38.787
3. Amanar (ROM)        38.762
4. Kochetkova (RUS)    38.736
5. Teza (FRA)          38.705
6. Canqueteau (FRA)    38.680

1. Khorkina            9.868
2. Podkopayeva (UKR)   9.831
3. Canqueteau          9.506
4. Begue (FRA)         9.256
5. Amanar              9.143
6. Kochetkova          8.956

1. Begue               9.875
2. Tsavdaridou (GRE)   9.825
3. Juarez (ESP)        9.775
4. Teza                9.737
5. Cacovean            9.662
6. Liapina (RUS)       8.025

1. Canqueteau          9.712
2. Podkopayeva         9.662
3. Amanar              9.575
4. Yanling Ma (CHN)    9.312
5. Cacovean            8.975
6. Khorkina            8.800

1. Khorkina            9.887
2. Begue               9.712
3. Yanling Ma          9.650
4. Amanar              9.637
5. Kochetkova          9.275
6. Teza                8.625



Date:    Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:24:04 +1000
Subject: gossip

I was fortunate enough last evening to have dinner with Bill Roth, Fred
Turoff, Stuart McMahon and Christina (can't think of her last name, was a
Temple gymnast).  Anyway, at the start of dinner I noticed a rather nice
reflection of light on Christina's left ring finger.  She and Bill are
engaged, they will be getting married in April of 1996.

Other piece of interesting news is that the men's team did not know they
had won the gold when at Pan Ams until they canme out for the awards
ceremony and saw the US delegation going crazy with joy.

It should also be noted that the rings were more of a challenge at this
meet than most -- the podium, because the arena was a tent like structure
and very make-shift, was not even i.e. the floor was crooked, so when
hanging from the rings one hand was lower than the other.

Well, there is my gossip.



Date:    Tue, 21 Mar 1995 11:49:34 -0500
From:    ***@TIGER.HSC.EDU
Subject: Nadia

If I remember correctly Nadia only needed, what, a 9.3 o9.4 to win the AA in
1976?  She used to mount with a double back, double full dismount.  She had a
"sore" ankle (ABC quote) during the '76 Olympics.



Date:    Tue, 21 Mar 1995 20:16:27 GMT
From:    ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject: France Telecom Trophy (AA)

France Telecom Trophy, Paris, France.   March 1995

All-Around Results:


 1. Grigori Misutin             (UKR)   57.300
 2. Evgeni Chabaev              (RUS)   56.925
 3. Valeri Belenki              (GER)   56.550
 4. Rustam Charipov             (UKR)   56.250
 5. Ivan Ivanov                 (BLR)   55.700
 6. Marius Toba                 (GER)   55.650
 7. Ivan Ivankov                (BLR)   55.600
 7. Yuri Chechi                 (ITA)   55.600
 9. Alexei Nemov                (RUS)   55.525
10. J. Zhang                    (CHN)   55.450
11. A. Demjanov                 (CRO)   55.350
12. J. Jovtchev                 (BUL)   55.300
13. Boris Preti                 (ITA)   55.000
14. Dan Burinca                 (ROM)   54.750
15. Sebestian Tayac             (FRA)   54.400
16. Brendan Dowrick             (AUS)   53.950


 1. Svetlana Khorkina           (RUS)   38.955
 2. Andrea Cacovean             (ROM)   38.787
 3. Simona Amanar               (ROM)   38.762
 4. Dina Kochetkova             (RUS)   38.736
 5. Elvira Teza                 (FRA)   38.705
 6. Cecile Canqueteau           (FRA)   38.680
 7. Oksana Chusovitina          (UZB)   38.568
 8. Laetitia Begue              (FRA)   38.572
 9. J. Juarez                   (ESP)   38.167
10. Liliya Podkopayeva          (UKR)   38.087
11. Y. Mao                      (CHN)   37.917
12. Ludmila Prince              (LAT)   37.886
13. Mercedes Pachecho           (ESP)   37.767
14. L. Furnon                   (FRA)   37.630
15. Vassou Tsavdaridou          (GRE)   37.555
16. Irina Boulakhova            (UKR)   37.529


- Although he's not officially competing, Valentin Mogilny was there performing
  on all the apparatus at the grand old age of 30. He is now of course living
  in France with his wife Olga Bicherova.

- Ivan Ivankov's biggest error was to fell of the pommel horse twice which
  dropped him down to seventh place.

- Alexei Nemov fell on his straight release (similar to a Kovac except it's
  straight... what do you call that?) on high bar.

- Nice to see Cacovean back in good form after a terrible last year. Her beam
  was spot on.

- Podkopayeva had a foot outside the area on her floor in her first pass, then
  fell forwards and had hands down on her second pass. ONly scored 9.087 for
  that routine.

- The French really are looking good with Begue, Teza and Canqueteau all in the
  top eight.

The apparatus finals will be shown on EuroSport tomorrow.



Date:    Tue, 21 Mar 1995 11:30:13 -0800
From:    ***@ENG.SUN.COM
Subject: Advil Invite

Hey, Gymners!

There will be an "old-timers" meet of sorts this weekend in the Bay Area
(San Francisco, not Hudson ;^).  It is called the Advil Invite.  Promises
to be a good time.  Anyone interested in competing or attending, send me
some email and I will forward information to you.

I've actually been talked into competing at this thing.  I'll be doing a
highbar and a pommel routine.  First time I've actually performed any
skills in front of anyone other than Dave Litwin and the UC Gym Club
crowd (but they are some *serious* critics, so real judges should be a
piece of cake!)

The "Masters" circuit is a great chance for people interested in
practicing gymnastics to compete in a fun atmosphere.  There are usually
different skill categories, so if you've just been doing gymnastics for a
year or two there's no need to fear looking silly performing after someone
doing whips to double backs on floor.  I've found that training with an
actual competition in mind makes gymnastics much more fun.  It helps you
to focus more on presentation, form and artistic value as opposed to simply
practicing a string of disconnected skills.  It also makes you work a
lot harder!  It's *hard* to get through a routine without a break, even
a wimpy one!

Speaking of wimpy, here is my highbar routine (Did I ask you if you
cared? ;^)

hop kip
front giants
pirouette (or fake it, fall off, act upset, chalk up and remount in 30 sec's)
regular giants
lower to bar
free hip

So elegant!  So poetic!  The judges will cry like little children...

I'll give a rundown of the scene at the meet.

Yours in Gymnastics,



Date:    Tue, 21 Mar 1995 16:12:14 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: France Telecom Trophy (AA)

: Alexei Nemov fell on his straight release (similar to a Kovac except it's
: straight... what do you call that?) on high bar.

He does a laidout Tkatchev with stunning body position I might add. He can
also do that skill with a full ... simply beautiful. In '93 he made the
layout full and missed the plain laidout Tkatchev. So typically Nemov.



Date:    Tue, 21 Mar 1995 16:31:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Advil Invite

>hop kip
>front giants
>pirouette (or fake it, fall off, act upset, chalk up and remount in 30 sec's)
>regular giants
>lower to bar
>free hip

That's a *great* routine.  Wasn't it just last year that you were working on a
kip?  If so, you've made great progress.  Just remember, keep good form and
you won't get any form deductions.  That's how I was able to get passable scores
on pommels and rings back in high school.  Keep your legs straight, toes pointed
and you're all set.  Good luck!



Date:    Tue, 21 Mar 1995 16:18:00 PST
From:    ***@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Chusovitina

Oksana Chusovitina is just the total energizer bunny.. she keeps
going and going and going...


Date:    Tue, 21 Mar 1995 23:44:00 UTC
From:    ***@GENIE.GEIS.COM
Subject: People Magazine

This week's _People_ has an interesting article about Nadia and Bart, and it
has some decent photos, too! :)



Date:    Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:08:54 -0600
From:    ***@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: Nadia

About Nadia's tumbling at the olympics:

She did watered down tumbling because of a hurt ankle.  She performed much more
difficulty at the American Cup the same year.

I think it is a little odd that both of Bela's biggest stars suffered leg or
ankle injuries during the Olympics, but performed great difficulty just months
before.  RE:Nadia and Kim.

I have a VHS copy of the movie Nadia. I can also recite it word for word as it
came out when I was 11 and was totally engrossed in it(obviously).

Does any one remember hearing that Nadia was working on her own version of the
movie of her life because parts of it were "inaccurate"?  Does anyone know any
thing about this?

Also, I missed the first half of the Nadia special, did anyone get it recorded?



Date:    Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:17:44 -0600
From:    ***@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: Nadia at the 76 Olymipcs

One thing I just remembered Bela had said about Nadia's injury and her

Nadia was injured and knowing that she only needed a 9.?? they watered down her
tumbling so as to save the ankle from excess pounding.



End of GYMN-L Digest - 20 Mar 1995 to 21 Mar 1995