GYMN-L Digest - 21 Apr 1995
There are 7 messages totalling 223 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Double Layouts on FX (Women).
2. NCAA Men's Champs: Team prelims -- AA finals
3. Negativity (2)
4. Zmeskal's vault
5. Acrobat figlet
6. NCAA Men's Team Finals
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 18:03:52 -0400
Subject: Double Layouts on FX (Women).
have to ask this since it goes back to my undergrad days when I w
was discussing something with another gymnast. It is:
Who was the first women to perform a double layout on floor in International
competetion? My friend thought it was Mary Lou Retton, but I thought that
Natalia Yurchenko had done on before her and that others had done them
prior to her. I know that E. Eberle did a Layout/pike double in
Fort Worth- so I ask: Does anyone know of who did the double layout on
womens' FX first?
Wasn't a chinese gymnast doing them in 1979?
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 16:01:54 PDT
Subject: Re: NCAA Men's Champs: Team prelims -- AA finals
I don't mean to be a stickler, but didn't stanford win the regionals?
Oklahoma second and nebraska third.
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> Thank you Rachele for the very prompt report of the results.
> I just wanted to note that the top two teams are from the West.
> I remember after regionals, someone noted that if the top six scores
> were looked at, then Temple would have gone. This is yet another
> example of judging bias. Apparently the judges is some areas
> boost scores up, whether knowingly or not. If the selection were to be
> completely fair, I believe four or even five teams from the west deserved
> to go. And I predict that the team finals will just be a showdown
> the two west teams. And just like when nationals were in New Mexico,
> I believe Stanford will win it all with more outstanding gymnastics.
Dave Jusczyk (Did I FINNALY get the spelling right ?)
Called me this morning with the prelim results.
We noted how last year Nebraska won on their home turf.
This year with (T)OSU out of the running, its now an even playing field.
(Regents of the university are really miffed that we keep leaving the word
"THE" out of their university's name.
They much prefer that we call it THE Ohio State University.
I just got backhanded by them last week for calling them OSU again.
Hence I now call it (T)OSU.....)
Was Nebraska REALLY the best last year ? (Gimmie a &^%$# break !)
And we notice how Oklahoma won the regional and then fizzled.
(Can you say "GIFT POINTS" ? SURE ! SURE ! I KNEW ya' COULD !)
Well the meat and potatoes are tonight, wish I could be there but I got
downed servers and mangled optical fibres.
Gonna be a LOOONNNNGGGG weekend !
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 20:35:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Negativity
>I would just like to say that I feel that if even only one person is
offended by a post, that is one too many.
Thankfully, most people realize that while courtesy is always warranted,
personal opinion is also important, and the two must be balanced.
I can think of *very* few issues on which no one would be offended...
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 20:35:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Zmeskal's vault
>Everyone was critizing her because she her
second vault was poor and that was what I responded to.
If even you acknowledge that her second vault was poor, how can you say she
is one of the best vaulters ever?
>Bela obviously felt she had better chances to medal on
other events, or I'm sure he would have worried more about vault.
Obviously he's not infallible <g>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 19:36:13 -0600
Subject: Acrobat figlet
Found this acrobat figlet I thought some of you on the list might be
A sample is at the bottom which will look good depending on the font
you're viewing it in. For those of you that don't know, use a mono-spaced
(non-proportional) font to view. I'm using Courier/Courier New, but System,
TTY, VT100, Screen, Terminal, FixedSys, Line Printer, etc. are some others
that should work.
I got it at a WWW figlet service:
Type the text you want in the dialog box, then select the font ("acrobat")
and click on "Process".
/ \ <\
\o/ \o o__ __o \o__ __o o o
| |> /v v\ | |> <|> <|>
/ \ // /> <\ / \ < > < > < >
\o/ / \ / \o/ \o o/
| o o o | v\ /v
/ \ __/> <\__ __/> / \ <\/>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 21:42:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Negativity
To all at gymn:
One thing that sticks out in my mind is the sheer hypocrisy from (some
of) the fans of this sport on this forum. How can the same promoters of gymn
who are lambasting the media for its lack of attention to gymnastics as a
"real" sport (see SI article and thread) be at the same time refusing to let
criticism be made where criticism is due?
One of the problems with giving gymnastics credibilty (from the folks at
SI or ABC or whatever) is that is it not seen as a real sport, but is instead
just a bunch of little girls in leotards instead of "real" athletes. The
"real" athletes are our football, baseball, and hockey players, the message
is. If they fail to live up to our expectations (their abilities), the local
newscaster starts in. The sportswriters are free to criticize them. The
coaches get blasted for their conduct as well, and they also get fired, often
without any sympathy. The organizations that run the sports, like the NFL,
MLB or even NCAA are always being criticized. There are no elitists from the
NFL that blacklist certain members of the press for making fun of their
ridiculous policies and politics. The referees are free game as well. Here
in the Bay Area (where we are passionate about our athletes, 49ers or Giants
or Sharks or Stanford women's basketball or whatever), they do jingles about
the them on the radio. There was no "You're being mean" leveled at the
Chronicle sportswriter who called the old SF 49er defensive line a bunch of
But in gymnastics, criticizing a coach results in the message that
"you're really just hurting his/her athletes." You're seen as cold and
heartless when you say that so-and-so can't dance. And that a 9.737 for a
certain routine was about half a point too high. You get "that athlete works
so hard and you have no right to blah blah blah. . ." Well sorry folks, but
if you want gymnasts to be seen as the "real" athletes alongside the baseball
and basketball players, then you need to let them be subject to the same
criticisms as them. Otherwise you're just keeping the "not-a-real-sport" logi
c alive and well.
And continuing with this "negativity" thread, I don't think much has
been said that has gone too far. As far as I am concerned, with life as
well, I don't think it is right to make fun of someone for something they
can't very well help. Making fun of a gymnast because she has big ears or a
big nose or glasses isn't in great taste. However, if she can't vault but
still gets big scores (or not) her vaulting is free game as far as I am
concerned. Gymnastics is not a trait, people. Gogean can't do bars and she
shouldn't be European Champion either, but it's not like we're teasing her
because she's has bug eyes. If someone wears an ugly leotard, well then,
it's my prerogative to say that fluorescent orange with pink stripes and
crushed plaid velour sleeves is bad. If you disagree then you disagree. So
disagree, it's a discussion forum! Just don't tell me I shouldn't say it.
Like my mom says, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend with
my life your right to say it."
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 20:46:25 -0600
Subject: NCAA Men's Team Finals
Team finals -- brief results
1. Stanford 232.400
2. Nebraska 231.525
3. Penn State 229.775
End of GYMN-L Digest - 21 Apr 1995