GYMN-L Digest - 17 Jul 1995 to 18 Jul 1995

There are 18 messages totalling 407 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Help...
  2. Unsubscribe
  3. Kim Zmeskal
  4. Gurova et al.
  5. Superstars of Gymnastics (2)
  6. Help
  7. IG Caption Challenge answer (2)
  8. Strug changes gymns (2)
  9. Kerri Strug (2)
 10. Strug,Classic
 11. Strug (2)
 12. Silivas' '88 music
 13. chance for rebuttals


Date:    Tue, 18 Jul 1995 12:34:55 JST
From:    ***@TWICS.COM
Subject: Help...

I probably should've posted this request to this list a long time ago,
but I guess I thought it was a little wierd and wouldn't get any
legitimate responses.  I've asked a few people via private Email, but
as they suggested, maybe it's a better idea to post it to the list.

I am a martial artist, but I have a terrible time with leg and hip
flexibility.  I am trying to work toward the ultimate flexibility goal
for all (?) martial artists... the splits.  Does anyone have any
videos that they would be willing to share that might help me out
in this?  Please, anyone with advice, write me private Email...

Thank you in advance...



Date:    Mon, 17 Jul 1995 23:42:22 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Unsubscribe

 I am unable to keep my aol membership so I am politely unsubscribing first

:o) Carl


Date:    Tue, 18 Jul 1995 01:41:08 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Kim Zmeskal

>BTW I also heard that Kim is going to twist her double layout, her 3 whip
pass, and her dismount??? Does anyone know this for sure???<

Call me a skeptic, but I think the chances of Kim actually competing a
full-twisting double layout are slim... though I would be happy to be proven
wrong...  How many women have competed that anyway?  I can only think of
Tuzhikova, Chusovitina, and Bontas.  Maybe there are an obscure one or two
others; anyone know?



Date:    Tue, 18 Jul 1995 01:44:54 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Gurova et al.

>It is interesting that many gymnasts who did not do well at meets at
early ages, seem to have had longer careers. Case in point, Sushonova (15th,
I think at the 1984 Euro Juniors, and she had a great career, whereas Irina
Barakanisova (sp) who was the 1984 champ, faded fast.<

I don't know whether this is true or not in general, but I think one has to
look at more than a single meet to decide whether it is.  Shushunova is
decidedly *not* a good example -- maybe she was 15th at Jr. Europeans in '84,
but she was 1st at USSR Cup in '83 (making her a legitimate candidate for the
title of #1 in the world two full years before she actually became world
champ) and 3rd at Olomouc in '84.



Date:    Tue, 18 Jul 1995 06:05:55 -0700
From:    ***@ACCESSNV.COM
Subject: Superstars of Gymnastics

I just finished watching this (from tape) and had to add a few comments
of my own.  First of all I thought the show as a whole worked great.
They tried this before with ice skaters and it didn't work at all.  The
dancers were a wonderful addition.

My negative comments mostly concern the broadcast itself.  I really
didn't care if the commentators did a good job or not.  This was not a
gymnastics competition it was a show (a performance).  Shows don't have
commentators rambling through stuff while the "performers" are on.  When Kim
Z. did her beam they just would not shut up.  If I didn't like the idea
of the music with beam so much, I would have turned down the volume.

The camera operators did OK when it was a dance number but everytime they
broke into gymnastics the camera was always in the wrong place.  They
were either too close or too far.

This could be a fantastic format in the future but they are going to have
to get a little more innovative with the equipment.  They need to design
equipment to work together (i.e. special beam on the floor so that floor
and beam movements could flow together).  The most innovative piece of
equipment in this show was Bart's guitar turning into pommel floor bars.

I liked the idea of bringing Acro Gymnastics into the picture also.  It
would do a lot for the show if they brought in more like some routines
involving power tumbling and trampoline (both are part of sports acro).

Thanks for your attention, now back to the other messages.

Greg Young


Date:    Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:13:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Help

Micheal wrote:
>I am a martial artist, but I have a terrible time with leg and hip
>flexibility.  I am trying to work toward the ultimate flexibility goal
>for all (?) martial artists... the splits.  Does anyone have any
>videos that they would be willing to share that might help me out
>in this?  Please, anyone with advice, write me private Email...

If you're looking for info on stretching from the net, the
stretching and flexibility FAQ is the place to start.  See the
address below.

If there is a video available on the topic of stretching, it has
to rank up there as one of the most boring videos ever made.



                        STRETCHING AND FLEXIBILITY:

                    Everything you never wanted to know


                             by Brad Appleton

                   Version: 1.18, Last Modified 94/10/12

             Copyright (C) 1993, 1994 by Bradford D. Appleton

Permission is granted to make and distribute verbatim copies of
this document provided the copyright notice and this permission
notice are preserved on all copies.

This document is available in ascii, texinfo, postscript, dvi,
and html formats via anonymous ftp from the host `'.
Look under the directory `/pub/doc/faq/rec/martial.arts'.  The
file name matches the wildcard pattern `stretching.*'.  The file
suffix indicates the format. For WWW users, the URL is:


Date:    Tue, 18 Jul 1995 11:17:14 -0400
Subject: IG Caption Challenge answer

        I was looking at the (March?) IG in the library and I noticed the
Caption Challenge of the guy who had apparently had his body cut in half
(legs on the ground, head, arms and torso hanging from the high bar).
Answers were supposed to be in the May issue, which I couldn't find.  Can
someone look?  I thought this picture fairly hilarious.


Date:    Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:29:40 -0500
Subject: Strug changes gymns

According to USA Today Keri Strug is now training with Tom and Lori
Forster at Colorado Aerials.  She hopes to compete in the national
championships next month in New Orleans and plans on attending UCLA after
the 1996 Olympics.



Date:    Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:20:40 EDT
From:    ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject: Re: IG Caption Challenge answer

My May issue of IG tells me that the winning caption was as follows:

"Nice landing, but the form break will cost him."  -  N,Szap-
Cobleskill, NY



Date:    Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:34:35 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Superstars of Gymnastics

<<When Kim Z. did her beam, they would just not shut up.>>

I have long been agrivated by commentators who will not be quiet, especially
during exhibitions and during women's floor in competitions.  I love the
music and want to be able to sit back and enjoy the routine.  NBC
commentators rarely talk during floor (only when there is a serious error),
but the ABC commentators (Johnson and Conner) usually talk the entire time.
 It drives me nuts, especially when they end up saying the exact same things
again during the replays.

Ann Marie


Date:    Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:34:41 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Strug changes gymns

Wow, I thought things were going so well for her in Arizona.  Anyone know
what happened to make her switch gyms again?

Ann Marie


Date:    Tue, 18 Jul 1995 17:08:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Kerri Strug

Date sent:  18-JUL-1995 17:07:15
If anyone can coach kerri Strug, it has got to be Tom and lori Foster. she
could very well hit her peak under those two, who I have a TREMENDOUS
amount of respect for.

And...just was watching a duel meet between Georgia and Alabama
from earlier this year. Food for thought: If Kim Kelly is still
feeling jipped after 1992 (no fault of her own), why are we using the
same selection process for thjis year and the Olympics? All
it is gonna result in is hurt feelings.


Date:    Tue, 18 Jul 1995 18:15:45 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Strug,Classic

Was Kerri's switch to Aeriels very recent?  Also, does anyone know if she is
going to compete in anything before national's?  As far as I have heard she
hasn't competed since Dortmund.  I wish her the best, and can't wait to see
her at Nationals-she's always been a favorite of mine.  (When was the article
about her in USA Today?).  Maybe the positive attitude of the Forsters (from
what I've read), combined with training with other elites (Thompson, Powell,
Maiers) is what she needs now that she has had time to regroup on her own.

Also, if anyone runs across a TV listing for the U.S. Classic, please let me
know!!!  Thanks.



Date:    Tue, 18 Jul 1995 17:19:10 -0600
Subject: Strug

How old is she? She's been around with Miller since 1991. Is she 17 now and
taking a year off (like Dawes and Borden) for the Olympics?



Date:    Tue, 18 Jul 1995 18:28:23 -0600
Subject: Silivas' '88 music

Hi all,

Greetings from forest fire country (cough, cough)...

I've been looking on and off for awhile now for the full version
of the song that Daniela Silivas used at the Seoul Olympics.

It *may* be called "Mozart Rocks" and my research shows that this song
is performed by a group called Latin Rascals.  However, I have
not been able to find this album anywhere.  I believe it is from
1984 and is only available on cassette or record.

I believe cuts of the song have been available from some FX music
companies, but I may be mistaken.

If you've got *any* bits of info that might aid my search please
email me directly.

DORY --- the guy from Canada


Date:    Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:41:42 -0400
Subject: chance for rebuttals

     This week's "People" (the one with celebrity marriages on the cover) has a
review of the infamous "Little Girls in Pretty Boxes" and a brief interview
with Joan Ryan. Even though the book is about skating and gymnastics, the
review only mentions gymnastics and, IMO, is as one-sided and inaccurate as the
book (for example, it says Christy Henrich was a favorite for the 1992 Olympics
and also implies very strongly that Julissa Gomez's "vegetative state" was a
direct result of her vault accident, rather than the result of oxygen
deprivation at the hospital). Anyway, since "People" is widely read and
contains a "Mail" section for reader comments, this might be a good chance for
gymnasts and gymnastics fans to offer some rebuttals. My guess is that the
reviewer had no idea how many inaccuracies there were in the book. Now's our
chance to point them out! If enough people wrote in, perhaps "People" would
print some of our comments. The e-mail address is,
and the fax # is 212-522-0794. The magazine says that all correspondence must
include the writer's name, address and daytime phone, or I guess they won't
print it. So to everyone with opinions that differ from Joan Ryan's, here's
your chance!



Date:    Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:46:50 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Strug

Kerri Strug's birthday is November 19, 1977, making her 18, one year younger
than both Dawes and Miller.  Kerri was the youngest member of the '92 team in
Barcelona (14).

Ann Marie


Date:    Tue, 18 Jul 1995 21:21:35 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Kerri Strug

> If Kim Kelly is still
feeling jipped after 1992 (no fault of her own), why are we using the
same selection process for thjis year and the Olympics?

How do you think Dianne Durham felt?  Was that process any fairer?



End of GYMN-L Digest - 17 Jul 1995 to 18 Jul 1995