GYMN-L Digest - 15 May 1995 to 16 May 1995
There are 13 messages totalling 389 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Pathetic Greedy Authors (4)
2. Moceanu USOC Athlete of the Month
3. Mirela Barbalata
4. RESULTS OF RHYTHMIC WESTERN QUALIFIERS
6. Recreational Gymnastics Job Openings
7. Bank ad...
8. Mary Lou in PEOPLE
9. book bashing
10. USAG announces Women's Collegiate coordinators
Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 23:11:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Pathetic Greedy Authors
> I shall conclude by saying that whoever bothered to write this evil book
> is both pathetic and greedy. This book is a sure seller, and will
> certainly be a cash cow for a lot of people, for many years to come.
> Give the people dirt, and they'll eat it up. It's too bad that this blow
> to our sport will be the result of a complete misrepresentation. How
> unfortunate that some greedy author will capitalize upon the deadly
> combination of the media's power and people's love of dirty laundry...
> Yet another person's 2 cents,
> Tige Young
On a tangental note, isn't the other part of this book on figure skating?
It's interesting that that sport can suddenly have a major controversy (you
know what I'm talking about) and suddenly have an upsurge of interest, while
there's now an increase in mudslinging at gymnastics and no one's there to
make a defense, fans and participants not included. I don't think I've seen
too many pro-gymnastics editorial columns.
This is probably my last post before I leave school, and convenient e-mail
service, for the summer. It's been a very interesting few months, and
you're all very nice, polite people. See you in September...
Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 21:02:47 -0600
Subject: Moceanu USOC Athlete of the Month
Dominique Moceanu was named April's USOC Athlete of the Month for her
"come from behind" victory at the VISA Challenge. There was a guy
named also (they always name a guy and a girl) but I forget who --
something liike a swimmer or a wrestler... =)
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 00:01:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Pathetic Greedy Authors
Ever since broaching (or re-broaching, as it were) this topic, I have watched
the thoughtful discourse that has come across my computer screen. In my
initial post, I did all that I could to keep from launching into a tirade
about the book. My hope was to hear other opinions first, then add my own to
The damage, whatever it will be, is coming. What is important from our
perspective is to begin damage control before the book actually finds its way
onto the shelves.
First, we need to get the facts and be prepared to refute the books premises
and conclusions. Obviously, the book is nothing short of sensationalism. It
should be a rather simple matter to blunt the blow the book will deliver by
simple preponderance of evidence. Since I would hardly expect the USAG to be
exactly gifted with forethought themselves, we should get them to provide
statistics and unbiased sources of information refuting the book at once.
Second, the source should be discredited. IMHO Ms. Ryan is no higher on the
evolutionary ladder than the protozoa who write for the gossip rags. It
should be pointed out that this woman is hardly an expert and chose to do the
absolute minimum research for the absolute maximum effect, in the hopes of
earning some quick cash, some national attention, and improving the prospects
of what must have been a rather disappointing career.
Third, there should be a quiet but honest admission that there are problems
and bad apples in gymnastics, as there are in any sport, but that we are
constantly taking steps both to minimize the effect they can have on children
and to responsibly improve the sport. This would make Ryan look like, if not
the boy who cried wolf, certainly a modern equivalent of Chicken Little.
Fourth, to the greatest extent possible, we should ignore the whole thing,
according it the non-attention that it deserves. Ignore it, and it will go
Fifth and finally, Ms. Ryan has made it her crusade to end gymnastics in the
United States. I would suggest that it is within our power to, if not end,
certainly put a dent in her journalistic career by discrediting her as a
journalist. Lets tear this book apart, factoid by factoid, and present the
statistics in an unbiased way. The USAG cannot lead the way on this, because
they will be seen to be defending themselves. We must do this on our own.
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 01:13:10 -0400
Subject: Mirela Barbalata
>One of the guests was Mirela Schreyer (nee
Barbalata), who took this photo [of Agache and Carnay].
Didn't Barbalata compete thru '85 Universiade?
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 01:57:12 -0400
Subject: RESULTS OF RHYTHMIC WESTERN QUALIFIERS
1. Lori Fredrickson
2. Lireil Higa
3. Tina Tharp/Missy McElroy
4. Sara Seiber
*** Tamara Levinson the current national champion has "officailly" retired.
(as announced by her coach Catherine Yacmovich)***
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 07:06:00 UTC
Chris asked about Div. I schools with good science and engineering
I am a collegiate judge and a mother of teens who is keeping her eyes
open about college these days. I have judged all of the teams I am
mentioning plus, I have been on all of the campuses except Santa Barbara.
(However, I have been to Santa Barbara, and it is gorgeous.)
I think David's suggestion of U. C. Santa Barbara was an excellent one.
Although, I think their new coach, Randi Lane, would like to consider his
program a little more than low-key. Another school to consider would be U.
C. Davis. I think they are Division II, however, there is a medical school
at the campus. I am not sure of their rating for engineering, but all of
the U. C.' s are pretty strong, academically. Another school in the greater
Bay Area is Sacramento State University. They are Div. I, but go to the
Div. II nationals. The campus is lovely, but I don't know how the academics
stack up. Then there is San Jose State University. They have a division II
team. Again, I don't know about the academics and the campus is not as
pleasing to me as Sac State. In general, the Cal State Universities are not
as strong academically as the U. C. system. So, If I were her mother, I
would be pushing Santa Barbara, first, and then Davis. In the California
schools, she would have the pleasure of competing against Stanford and U. C.
Berkeley. Both of these programs are trying to elevate to "full-tilt boogie"
status, rather than "low-key".
There are a lot of great Division II schools to consider. If she loves
snow, University of Alaska has a good team and a very nice coach.
A great source for Collegiate Gymnastics information is the Gymnastics
Insider. It is turning into a formidible little publication on collegiate
gymnastics. It is just published during the season (January through April).
You can reach them at P. O. Box 753, West Jordan, UT 84084. For $18 they
will send you all of this years issues. You will get an overview from the
list of recruits and scholarships available at each school in Div. I and II,
to the coverage of Nationals and the final rankings of all of schools. If I
were schools cearching, I would find it an invaluable investment.
I hope this helps your sister and any other people on Gymn who are
thinking of collegiate gymnastics in their future.
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 01:46:37 -0700
Subject: Recreational Gymnastics Job Openings
Oregon Gymnastics Academy in Portland Oregon has job openings in its
recreational gymnastics program.
Recreational Gymnastics Director:
Full time job running recreational programs including hiring and
training of instructors and staff. Responsible for scheduling, location
schedules, overniters, parants-night-out. Prior experience required.
Recreational Gymnastics Instructors:
To work with boys and girls recreational programs. Must be
responsible, able to work well with children and adults. Prior experience
Send resumes by snail mail to:
Head Coach, Oregon Gymnastics Academy, 14270 NW Science Park Drive,
Suite 605, Portland, Oregon 97229
or send by private e-mail message for me to pass on at
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 06:35:21 -0400
Subject: Bank ad...
I was walking around the shops today when I saw this
huge poster of a gymnast on the windows of the "Royal
Bank of Scotland". It was a female gymnast (don't know
who she is) doing a Yang Bo leap. The caption goes:
"High Performance Savings" and "Go for Gold and get a
better deal on your savings". The poster is in various
sizes and is everywhere, on the display window, on the
wall, and even within the cash machine cubicle area.
(Sorry this isn't strictly gym but thought I'd mention it...)
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 11:36:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Pathetic Greedy Authors
Your message suggests tearing the book apart factoid by factoid and also
ignoring it. These don't seem to be compatible strategies. Can you
Did you say when this book will be available? I'm eventually (sometime
before next May [read: graduation]) supposed to write a paper on child
labor (perhaps also child abuse) legislation and sports (gymnastics, figure
skating, tennis) and this book could come in handy. My opportunity to
answer its allegations. :-) Any and all information anyone gathers
would be most welcome.
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 12:23:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Pathetic Greedy Authors
As I have read the numerous comments on this authors book it strikes me
that many see this attack as something new to the sport. Over the past
23 years of coaching I have seen wave after wave of negative comments
from all kinds of sources. Orthopedic doctors take shots at gymnastics
all the time in publications world wide, psycholgists, parenting groups,
and even other coaches seem to find time to slam gymnastics.
The answer to this is the same as it has been for years. We must all
strive to make gymnastics the best sport we can. We must sacrifice of
ourselves to create good environments for the students, and we must be
willing to examine ourselves and our fellow coaches and athletes
evaluating where to draw the lines. And of course when someone crosses
the lines we act as a group to censure this indivgual and call for the
changes needed. Responding with hate and accusation on works in the
authors favor, people will buy the book to see what all the fuss is
about. Also this response lowers us and our sport to the level of the
author, I have not desire to do this. Publish accurate information,
explain our positions to the gymnastics community around us, and educate
the general public to the reality of our sport. These are the best
ways to combat the on going assalt of our sport.
Thanks for reading and for writing I enjoy the forum a great deal.
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 15:42:05 -0400
Subject: Mary Lou in PEOPLE
This week's issue of People magazine (May 22, 1995 w/ the Judds on the cover)
has an article on Mary Lou Retton and her new baby, Shayla (soooooo cute!!!).
There two things in the article I'm not sure about:
1) It says that Retton vaulted a Tsukahara with a double twist at the
Olympics--I thought it was a single twist?
2) At the end of the article, it says "Bela Karolyi, who has been talking
about retirement recently..." What?! Don't they know he just came out of
The article also said Retton recieved congradulations from George and Barbara
Bush (and their dog, Millie), as well as from John Krimsky, the executive
director of the U.S. Olympic Committe. He told her they are holding a place
for Shayla on the 2016 Olympic team!
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 19:54:31 -0400
Subject: book bashing
Having just finished reading my mail, I couldn't help but answer on this one.
Gymnastics can be a dangerous sport. This is unfortunate, but true. but
then again, a simple game of tag at grade school recess can also produce
the same results. Having been injured both at recess (broken hand) and in
gymnastics (stress fracture 4th vert.) I fail to see why gymnastics is being
singled out. Perhaps it has been a slow season for Ms. Ryan and she has
had presure from her employers to write something sensational. Then again,
maybe she is jumping on the media bandwagon that has been harping the dangers
of gymnastics for years. (FYI, I am a sports junkie and have numerous other
taped sporting events that extol the violence of that particular sport).
I think most of it is because as Adriana pointed out, gymnastics is mostly
filled with younger people. The American culture is very particular about
its next generation. It's OK if you commit some terrible attrocity to another
adult who is supposed to have the ability to analyze the situation and come
to a proper conclusion. Whereas if a child is involved...need I say more?
A prime example, one of the most frequent things I heard about concerning the
Oklahoma bombing was the children factor.
I can help but wonder if the media would be so rightously pursuing reforms
in "a sport with such physical and emotional strains that no child should
have to endure", if "children" weren't in it. I am in no way saying that
there should be age restrictions in gymnastics, mind you. I think that it
should also be brought to the public attention that on a whole, competitive
gymnasts (both male and female) have more maturity, rational decision making
skills, and in general have more control in their lives than most so called
adults that I know.
I also believe that yes, there will be some negative sensationalism out of this
but with the olympics coming up, and the US team looking to do very well,
I think Olympic medal efforts will have a far more lasting, not to mention
positive, impression than any book that could be published on the sport.
Just my opinion.
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 22:18:18 -0400
Subject: Re: USAG announces Women's Collegiate coordinators
>Kathy Feldmann and Sandy Thielz have been named Women's Collegiate
>Coordinators for USA Gymnastics.
>Feldmann has a 26-year history as a gymnastics professional. Most
>recently she is self-employed and works as a gymnastics consultant,
>judge, clinician and meeting planner.
>After 21-years of coaching, Thielz recently retired as the women's
>gymnastics coach at West Chester University. She currently serves as a
>gymnastics coach and consultant.
>Their duties and responsibilities include increasing the number of
>collegiate gymnastics programs, maintaining relationships with the
>NCAA, Athletic Directors and various coaching and sports relations
>communities, administrating the two existing collegiate championships
>that are sponsored by USA Gymnastics, acting as liaison to the
>Collegiate Coaching Committees, advising collegiate coaches on
>opportunities, and formulating an employment network for coaching
>positions, just to name a few.
># # #
Is there a similar position on the men's side? I wonder!
End of GYMN-L Digest - 15 May 1995 to 16 May 1995