GYMN-L Digest - 14 Jun 1995 to 15 Jun 1995

There are 8 messages totalling 261 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. _Little Girls..._ (2)
  2. Training for adult gymnasts (2)
  3. after college (3)
  4. 1995 Medico Cup RSG


Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:14:59 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: _Little Girls..._

So guess what?  The Chronicle (for which Joan Ryan writes) is printing three
excerpts from her book.  It looks like they'll all be about Julissa, maybe
the last one about Christy H. too.  The first one just sets up the beginning
of Julissa's story, and it mentions Christy in passing when it says Julissa
moved to Al Fong's gym from Karolyi's.  Question: I'm almost positive Julissa
was at other gyms besides Karolyi's and Al Fong's (I didn't even know she'd
gone to Fong's gym [is it GAGE?].  I forget the name of the gym, but I think
it was in Houston.  Anyone know which one and when she was there?



Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 1995 01:06:42 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: _Little Girls..._

Who is Julissa anyway I have never heard of her? Was she a recent gymnast and
what happened to her?


Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:52:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Training for adult gymnasts

Texx writes:

>"Well you are outta college so now you are outta luck!
>Now go have kids, stay in the stands, and send us lotsa money.
>You want to compete after college ?
>Are you outta your mind ?
>Now shut up, go away and send us more money!"

Boy, it has taken me a real long time to compose what I want to say concerning
this.  Everytime I'd write something down, I'd reread it and delete it, and
rewrite and delete, etc.

I have to agree that it would be nice if there was interest on the part of the
USGF to foster a "geriatric" gymnastics program.  But, I'd be interested in
knowing how many after-college-age people would actually participate.  After
college, most people get jobs that occupy most of their time.  Some have
girlfriends or boyfriends; relationships take up a lot of time.  Sometimes they
get married, have kids, and this occupies *more* of their time.  Now I know that
this is not always the case, but once you are out of school, your life
definitely changes.

Why should the USGF fund a program like this, when (in my opinion) a *very*
small percentage of the after-college-age people would actually participate?
Is there some reason why they could not participate in a currently sanctioned
program?  Like the 33 year old woman competing at level-8 (very admirable), I'd
think that there would be some program around where one could work out and
compete.  Of course, it would be sort of awkward competing with kids a lot
younger than yourself, but if someone *really* want to compete, they should go
for it.

If it's just recreational gymnastics that you want, there are lots of gyms
that would allow you to work out there.  All it takes is money.  There are even
master's meets going on around the country for those adventurous types who
could actually put a routine together.  When I graduated from college (1981),
UMass had an annual alumni meet where the alumni would compete against the
current squad.  I competed a couple years after graduation.  I never worked out,
but was able to throw a somewhat watered-down "thing" together.  Over the years
the amount of participation of the alumni dwindled, and now there is no alumni
meet.  It's just a "show" put on by the UMass team that alot of the alumni goes
to.  There's always one or two older guys who'll throw something together, but
that's it.

Maybe we could possibly give the USGF some credit and say that they've already
done a study on sponsoring a master's program, and found virtually no interest.
It could happen.  :)



Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:46:06 -0700
From:    ***@ENG.SUN.COM
Subject: after college


regarding there not being interest in
participating/competing in gymnastics after

I don't see any reason why gymnastics couldn't
end up going the same route as say...
road racing, track & field, swimming, softball,
body building, volleyball.

there seems to be lots of participation in those
sports by us geriatric crowd with jobs, children,
and responsibility.  geez, just recently I
read in the HOME section of the San Fran paper
that home owners are remodeling their existing
homes or expecting new homes with separate rooms
or areas for exercising (along with "great rooms"
-combo kitchen/dining/family rooms- and
home offices).

some of the above sports have master's programs,
like road racing, track & field, and swimming..
and there're probably more that I don't know
about.  But the other sports have lots of
recreational participants.

;-) Didn't you know that's why we push our kids
to get into sports?  Sooo we can have the time
for ourselves to workout in our own sports. ;-)
During my daughter's 2 hour workout, I can get
in a 4-6 mile run, 30 minutes of weight training,
20 minutes of stationary biking, and stretching.
ok. so i don't do that much every time, but
certainly some portion of it.  And I don't think
I much of an exception.  I know people who walk,
do stairmaster, aerobics, yoga, martial arts, ski -
and they're not all "dinks" (double income no kids).



Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:35:43 -0700
From:    ***@ENG.SUN.COM
Subject: Re: after college

Gymnastics is an incredibly rigorous sport and our society by contrast
is rather sedentary.  It's one thing to go shoot a few baskets or take up
running for exercise.  By contrast, however, I think that the thought of
training in gymnastics, especially by someone over 18 that has never done
it before, well, that's pretty rare, and would scare the bejesus out of
someone normal.

Looking at the profile of the members at the UC Gymnastics club, very few
people that stick with it come in off the street that haven't done gymnastics
before, most for a high school or college team.  They pretty much know what
they're doing and don't need much instruction, just a place to work out.  For
those that do need instruction there is an experienced coach two nights a week.
Aside from that there's usually somebody around that's been on a team that
can help you out or spot you. The club is embarrassingly cheap and easily
accessible to a large community (SF North Bay Area).  At most we have about
30 members a semester, probably half being regular.  For a while it bummed
me out that the club was so small, but in retrospect this is probably steady
state and I doubt if the club will ever get much bigger than this.

The members that have been on high school or college teams have pretty much
competed as much as they care to compete and just come in for the fun of
doing gymnastics, although there are meets available.  I think they're fun
because I've never competed before.  If I'd competed in college, though, I
don't know how exciting they would be.  There are other novices like myself
that train and go to meets, but it takes a lot of work, and most people,
unlike myself I guess, already have a life!



Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:46:50 -0600
Subject: 1995 Medico Cup RSG


These results are a bit ancient (did someone post them awhile back? I don't

APRIL 22-23, 1995

AA - 1. Lukyankenko    39.500
     2. Serebrianskaya 39.325
     3. Zaripova       39.150
     4. Ogrizko        39.075
     5. Vitrichenko    38.825
     6. Batyrchina     38.775

Rope - 1. Serebrianskaya 9.900        Ball - 1t Zaripova       9.900
       2. Ogrizko        9.875               1t Serebrianskaya 9.900
       3. Lukyanenko     9.850               3. Lukyanenko     9.775
       4. Vitrichenko    9.800               4. Gateva         9.750
       5. Gateva         9.725               5. Stadnik        9.725
       6. Zaripova       9.700               6. Gontar         9.750 (9.650?)
       7. Frater         9.575               7. Batyrchina     9.650
       8. Batyrchina     9.550               8. Frater         9.500
       9. Schielin       9.400               9. Schielin       9.300

Clubs - 1. Ogrizko        9.900     Ribbon - 1. Vitrichenko    9.850
        2. Lipovksaya     9.825              2t Lukyanenko     9.800
        3. Serebrianskaya 9.775              2t Salapatiska    9.800
        4. Salapatiska    9.750              4. Lipovskaya     9.775
        5. Gateva         9.725              5. Batyrchina     9.700
        6. Vitrichenko    9.725              6. Serebrianskaya 9.675
        7. Zaripova       9.675              7. Gontar         9.600
        8. Lukyanenko     9.650              8. Frater         9.550
        9. Schielin       9.250              9. Schielin       9.300
DORY --- the guy from Canada


Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:55:36 -0400
Subject: Re: after college

Ruth writes:

>I don't see any reason why gymnastics couldn't
>end up going the same route as say...
>road racing, track & field, swimming, softball,
>body building, volleyball.

First of all, there's a "cost" factor to consider.  It doesn't take much money
to do road racing, track & field, swimming, softball, body building, volleyball,
etc.  Gym equipment, insurance, instructors, etc. are very expensive.

Second of all, there's a "danger" factor.  Although I am probably in
better *physical* shape (not including flexibility; that's gone! :) ) than I
was when I was competing, there's no way you could get me to go out and throw
a double back now (trampoline maybe - but not on the floor).  Again, there's not
much danger in any of the sports that you mentioned.

I'm not saying that "older" people don't or shouldn't exercise.  I'm just
saying that there's alot more to consider with gymnastics when it comes to
sponsorship than there is with other sports.  Alot more.



Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:58:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Training for adult gymnasts

>I have to agree that it would be nice if there was interest on the part of the
>USGF to foster a "geriatric" gymnastics program.  But, I'd be interested in
>knowing how many after-college-age people would actually participate.

I'd probably give it a whirl _if_ competing all around were not required.
I'd love to work up a beam routine for competition.  In fact, I'd guess
that, with a lot of practice, I could perform a better, if less difficult,
routine  now than I did when I stopped competing in '81.  _But_ I wouldn't
want to try to put together an uneven bars routine with my weak wrists, and
I don't know whether my back could handle floor or vault.

Didn't the USGF sponser a masters program years ago?


End of GYMN-L Digest - 14 Jun 1995 to 15 Jun 1995