gymn Digest                 Fri, 13 Jan 95       Volume 3 : Issue  58

Today's Topics:
                       American Cup Info (fwd)
                         AP: NCAA Convention
                     Collegiate rankings (2 msgs)
                              Dawes' FX
      Dawes profiled (article) during training visit to Pozsar's
                Dominique won't be an NCAA gymnast...
                         FTP Address for GIFs
                            gym equipment
                         Gymnasts and Smiles
                               I'm back
                      I never introduced myself
                           Jennie Thompson
                           Larissa's vaults
             Miller 4th for USOC Sportswoman of the Year
                           Mitova (2 msgs)
             NCAA Men's Gymnastics Championships (2 msgs)
                           New moves (etc)
                       Olympic festival tickets
                           Proposal PASSED!
                 Question about gym tuition (2 msgs)
                  Sharon Weber controversy (3 msgs)
                         The American Classic
               Trivia Answers #25:  Unexpected Victors
                            Upcoming meets
                     updated Gymn Guide (2 msgs)
                         USAIGC Championships

This is a digest of the mailing list. 


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 95 23:03:16 GMT-0:01
From: ***
Subject: American Cup Info (fwd)

> The site for the 1995 American Cup and Mixed Pairs will be the Seattle
> Arena. Tickets for these events will go on sale on January 23rd.
> Thanks,
> John Kirschner, USAG Director of Events


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:53:40 -0700 (MST)
From: ***
Subject: AP: NCAA Convention

The following is a snippet from the last AP wire release about the
vote for the proposal:

   "In other important votes Tuesday, the third-day of the 89th annual
convention, gymnastics gained a reprieve.
   They can continue competing in national championships despite
charges that the sport's shrunken following -- from 130 college teams
in 1978 to 33 last year -- makes it wasteful to hold championships.
   'What an opportunity,' said Peter Vidmar, a former Olympic gymnast
now with the National Association of Collegiate Gymnastic
Coaches. 'It's good for sports and good for kids. That's the bottom

(I am therefore guessing that "Peter" in my last msg should have been
Peter Vidmar, not Kormann.)



Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 07:56:45 -0700 (MST)
From: ***
Subject: Collegiate rankings

I will again be downloading the collegiate rankings from the NACGC
BBS's this year.  As I did last year, I will mail the rankings to you
if you request to be on my distribution list.

If you want to receive collegiate rankings, please tell me if you want
to receive the MEN's scores, the WOMEN's scores, or BOTH.

If I get more than 25 requests (ie more than 10% of Gymn) then I will
send the rankings to Gymn as opposed to forming distribution lists, so
that the information will be archived in the digests.



Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:04:55 -0700 (MST)
From: ***
Subject: Collegiate rankings

I should add that the rankings are recalculated and re-released every
week -- the men's rankings come out every Monday night, and the
women's rankings are released on Tuesday nights.



Date: Tue, 10 Jan 95 11:03:49 EST
From: ***
Subject: Dawes' FX


An article appeared in the Jan. 6 "Sacramento Bee" describing Dawes' stay
at Geza Poszar's gym for some help in her choreography.  Nothing revealing
'bout the story...she's still gearing towards Atlanta.  As the
article puts it, there are lots of competitions until then, but Geza thinks
Dawes has been through the physical changes (of age) well and is strong
enough to continue with her successes.



Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 11:17:27 PST
From: ***
Subject: Dawes profiled (article) during training visit to Pozsar's

Text item: Text_1

The last post on Dawes, spurred me to go ahead and post this article summary

>From the Sacramento Bee, Friday, February 6th 
Front page of sports section, feature article, two photos

Dominique was profiled in Friday's Sacramento Bee during a three day training
visit to Geza Pozsar's gym.

The article noted:

*  Dominique is working on a new floor routine with Geza and will debut it the
Classic next month
*  She also plans to compete in American Cup after that
*  She is definitely aiming at Atlanta and will go to college, but seemed to
indicate that the Stanford scholarship was not in the picture  (she intends to
go to college, but now just "perhaps" at Stanford)
*  Geza believes Dom has passed the critical phase in maturing (physically) and
has a good shot at Atlanta



Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:55:24 -0800 (PST)
From: ***@leland.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Dominique won't be an NCAA gymnast...

Well, it's now official.  I was informed Friday (hopefully not in
confidence) that Dominique Dawes has signed an endorsement contract
and/or signed with an agent, and is therefore ineligible to compete
at Stanford (where she has committed) or any NCAA school.

It would have been great to see how she matured as a collegiate
gymnast, but I guess she has decided that she has a shot at the
Olympics and that she might as well take the money if she's going
to be training that long.  I just hope it ends up being the right
choice for her....



Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:41:28 -0800 (PST)
From: ***
Subject: FTP Address for GIFs

Please be advised that the GIFs can still be found at  If and when Netcom changes it, I'll let you know.



Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:58:13 -0500 (EST)
From: ***
Subject: gym equipment

I have recently gotten permission to start a gymnastics
(rather, tumbling) club here at Hampden-Sydney.  I am
looking for anyone who has information on used gymnastics
equipment.  Specifically we are looking for a springboard,
mini-tramp, 8-10 in skill cushion, and 4 in landing mats.

If anyone has any info, please respond to

Thank you.



Date: Sun, 08 Jan 1995 15:59:09 -0500 (EST)
From: ***
Subject: gymn

Hello!  My name is David.  I am 15 years old and a class I gymnast at
Browns Gymnastics Metro in Orlando, Florida.  My goal is the 2000
Olympics in Sydney.  I am one of tof tthe biggest gym fanatics that
you'll ever meet.  I h.  I never miss a televised gy gymnastics event,
whether it be men or women.  I love to sit down and have a ni nice
conversation about gymnastics. Gymnastics is my life.  I eat, sleep,
,sleep,breathe, , and live gymnastics.  I think about the gym all day,
every day.  This is my firs first time using <>.  I would
really appreciate it if anyone wrote te to me.  Thanks!



Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 20:19:49 -0500
From: ***
Subject: Gymnasts and Smiles

Being in character, whether performing on floor exercise, working as a
hostess at a restaurant, or performing on Broadway, requires that you "look"
as is expected for the performance.  Imagine if a performer on stage was
"having a bad day" and everyone could tell.  Or if you went to a nice place
for dinner on a special occasion and the person greeting you wasn't pleasant
because she was in a sour mood.

When you become a performer, you are responsible for managing your emotional
state.  It does take maturity and extra effort, justifying  higher scores and



Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:57:45 -0500 (EST)
From: ***
Subject: I'm back

Hey folks,
I'm back and resubscribed.



Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 10:14:58 +0500
From: ***@hedley.East.Sun.COM
Subject: I never introduced myself

Hi Gymn'ners!

I have written once or twice with questions, but for the most part just lurk.
Today, I thought I may as well jump into the fray (or at least tell you
who I am).

As of sept of 93 I am a gymnastics Mom.  In an effort to find a sport that
two tiny (I am 58"), strong, extremely flexible girls can do, I brought them
to a local gymnatics school.  My then 7 year old loved it and will be in her
first competition in 5 weeks (she turned 9 in Nov).  According to the head
coach my 5 year old has more natural talent, but she does not have any real
interest (I keep asking if she would rather not go anymore, but she keeps
saying she wants to - so I am confused).

My husband and I help the gym owner out with computer realted issues, since
it's what we do. 

Obviously, I am interested in what other parents of gymnasts are experiencing,
so please write.



Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 14:43:53 -0500
From: ***
Subject: Jennie Thompson

Word from a friend of the family is Jennie left Houston Saturday afternoon,
and she's now back at Dynamo again.  If someone else could confirm this,
please do.  Guess things didnt work out at Karolyi's, Mike


Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 00:55:52 -0500
From: ***
Subject: Larissa's vaults

Could anyone who went to Dortmund tell me how Larissa Fontaine's vaults in
team finals were?  I was just curious because IG said that they were perfect.
 Were they as good as that?  Thanks.---Brian


Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 17:31:37 -0700 (MST)
From: ***
Subject: Miller 4th for USOC Sportswoman of the Year

The USOC Sportsman of the Year is Dan Jansen; the USOC Sportswoman of
the Year is Bonnie Blair.  Both are speedskaters.  Shannon Miller, the
only gymnast to be in the top ten, was 4th in the voting.  Top five
for each (via the AP wire):

 Sportsman of the Year
   1. Dan Jansen, speedskating, 695.
   2. Tommy Moe, alpine skiing, 569.
   3. Michael Johnson, athletics, 291.
   4. Bruce Baumgartner, wrestling, 219.
   5. Pete Sampras, tennis, 210.

 Sportwoman of the Year
   1. Bonnie Blair, speedskating, 696.
   2. Jackie Joyner-Kersee, athletics, 405.
   3. Diann Roffe-Steinrotter, alpine skiing, 391.
   4. Shannon Miller, gymnastics, 330.
   5. Janet Evans, swimming, 263.



Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 22:24 EDT
From: ***@ROO.FIT.EDU
Subject: Mitova

Does anyone know when Mitova will start competing again?

-Laura :)


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:16:34 -0500 (EST)
From: ***
Subject: Mitova
To: Gymn <gymn@MIT.EDU>

On Tue, 10 Jan 1995 WHITACRE@ROO.FIT.EDU wrote:

> Does anyone know when Mitova will start competing again?
> -Laura :)

It is not known whether Mitova will compete anymore.  IMO, the odds of
making a comeback from that injury at her age (18) are pretty long. 
At very best, I see her doing an event or two at exhibitions and maybe at
one of those pro things.



Date: Sun, 8 Jan 95 14:20:01 -0600
From: ***
Subject: NCAA Men's Gymnastics Championships

      We are deeply grateful to the membership of GYMN, Coaches, Athletes,
Parents, and True Believers, for their extraordinary effort and commitment
to the intensive E-mail lobbying offensive which was undertaken to influence
the vote to preserve the moratorium on the NCAA Men's Gymnastics Championships.

      At the time we conceived of this progressive and provocative
grass-roots measure, we hoped we would attract many outstanding supporters. We
certainly did in all of you.  You truly proved and distinguished yourselves
and indeed surpassed all of our early expectations.

      When the vote of the President's, Athletic Directors, and Faculty
Advisors comes up in the next two days in San Diego, you should take a
great deal of pride in having met a monumental challenge and in having
made a truly significant contribution to the sport of gymnastics.

      Our Sincerest Thanks
      Dr. Charles Martin
      President, Gymnastics Club
        The James Franck Institute and
        The Department of Chemistry
        The University of Chicago

      Donald Howorth



Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 22:37:36 -0700 (MST)
From: ***
Subject: NCAA Men's Gymnastics Championships

|     We are deeply grateful to the membership of GYMN, Coaches, Athletes,
| Parents, and True Believers, for their extraordinary effort and commitment
| to the intensive E-mail lobbying offensive which was undertaken to influence
| the vote to preserve the moratorium on the NCAA Men's Gymnastics Championships.

Thanks to Chuck and Don for initiating this project in the first
place!  They invested huge amounts of time in both research and
implementation to make this thing happen!



Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:32 -0600 (CST)
From: ***
Subject: New moves (etc)

  Greetings from summer down-under
  Thought folk might be interested in the new elements
  submitted for women at Dortmund.  Not all were performed -
  or performed well enough to be recognised and therefore
  officially "in the code".
  Shannon Miller/Jaycie Phelps  No. 3.505  Start Value 10.00
  1/2 turn on - 1/2 turn with stretched salto forward off
  Amy Chow  Group 2  Value D
  Stalder backward to handstand with 1 1/2 turn either as 1/2
  turn in handstand phase and 1/1 turn after handstand phase
  or 1 1/2 turn after handstand phase.
  Adrienn Nyeste  (Hungary) Group 5  Value D.
  Straddled Gienger
  Yuka Arai (Japan)  Group 8  Value E
  Circle swing down forward between both bars in eagle grip to
  double salto forward tucked with 1/2 twist dismount.
  Zita Lusack (GBR)  Connection D  + D  (+ 0.20)
  Back uprise to handstand, healey turn, back straddle to
  Elena Grosheva (Russia) Group 2.309  Value C
  Split jump with 1/2 turn
  Claudia Presecan (Romania) Group 2  Value D
  Side split jump (180o split) landing in front lying support
  or similar (Shushunova)  Similar to 1.312 on floor
  Stratmann (Germany)   Group 2  Value E
  Straddle jump or Side split jump with 1/1 turn
  Leyanet Gonzalez Group 2  Value E
  Side split jump with 1/1 turn
  Kerri Strug Group 8 Value D
  Stretched gainer salto backward to scale, 1/2 turn to
  balance on land leg, other leg bent forward, toes touching
  Svetlana Hcorkina No. 8.502  Value E
  Gainer 1/1 twist salto
  Stratmann (Germany) Connection  C + D  + 0.20
  Leg Change (switch) leap immediate tucked side salto
  Andrea Leman  Group 2  Value D
  Change leg ring leap with 1/2 turn
  Amy Chow USA  Group 2  Value D
  2/1 turn with free leg held forward above 90o from start to
  end of turn
  Elena Grosheva (Russia)   Group 8  Value E
  Double front salto
  Worner (Germany)  Connection  Supplement to 7.202
  Roundoff, 1/2 turn flyspring (B) front salto stretched with
  1/1 twist front salto tucked  (Direct connection BDA)
  BD + 0.20  DA + 0.20
  Did you know that the team size of 7 maximum with 6 up on
  each event and the highest 5 scores on each event was
  superseded before it was even trialled at Dortmund?  From
  now on the team size is maximum of 6 with 5 up on each event
  and highest 4 scores to count.
  After Atlanta, the age for international competition e.g.
  Worlds and Olympics will be turning 16 for women, and for
  Juniors - turning 13.
  The 1996 Artistic Worlds will be in San Juan Peurto Rico 15-
  21 April.  The 1997 Artistic Worlds will be held in
  Lausanne, Switzerland.
  The first Aerobic World Championships will be conducted by
  the French Gymnastic Federation in Paris end of November or
  beginning of December 1995 (under the auspices of the FIG).


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 95 19:56:37
From: ***
Subject: Olympic festival tickets

Does anyone have the number where I could call to get information on tickets
for the Olympic Festival this year?  Thank you.
 Gina Scelso


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:08:31 -0700 (MST)
From: ***
Subject: Proposal PASSED!

I am truly *overjoyed* to be able to write this message.  The NCAA has
approved the proposal to extend the moratorium.  Men's collegiate
gymnastics will continue to have a championships through at least
1997. It was a landslide vote of approximately 200 YES, 30 NO.

This information comes two ways.  The first link of both chains is
that I talked to Mayland on the phone.  She in turn talked to two
different people.  First of all, she talked to Dave Frank (Temple
tri-captain), who talked to Aaron Vexler (Temple gymnast), who talked
to his dad, Norm Vexler, who talked to Roy Johnson's wife, who had
received a call from Roy Johnson saying that the proposal had passed.
(Got all that?)  For the second chain, Mayland got a call from Fred
Turoff (Temple coach) who called her from a restaurant (in San Diego)
to say that the proposal had passed.  He was there celebrating with
Peter Kormann, Roy, and Dick Aronson.


(Now, we have to figure out how to convince more schools to sponsor
men's gymnastics teams!)

Thanks to all the people who contributed to the email campaign -- we
can only hope that this effort helped in making the difference.



Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 17:38:57 -0700 (MST)
From: ***
Subject: Question about gym tuition

Mentioned this question to someone else -- they brought up a very good
point that another consideration is potential problems with NCAA



Date: Tue, 10 Jan 95 20:45:16 PST
From: ***
Subject: Question about gym tuition

I sympathize with your problem.

The best way we have come up with is to recruit some parents, including an
attorney and an accountant, and set up a 501 3 (c) non-profit corporation.
Call it the "[your gym name here] Gymnastics Foundation." Your stated purpose
would be to collect money to support young people to study gymnastics that
would otherwise be unable to do so for financial reasons. You would not
require that the kids spend it at your gym, but that could be implied in
other ways.

Another way would be to set aside funds as scholarships. Check with your CPA
to see about tax benefits.



Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 15:04:05 -0500
From: ***



Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 00:59:56 -0500
From: ***
Subject: Sharon Weber controversy

Regarding the Sharon Weber controversy in the new IG, I would have liked to
see all of her scores to see a consistent range in the judging. The report
they gave really didn't convince me of any favoring.  There were some high
scores for the US and lower ones for the others but, if you take a look at
the Romanian judge, she gave Gina and Lavinia great scores and the other
athletes lower scores.  I didn't hear anyone saw anything about that.  Pretty
interesting and a bit dissapointing to see such incomplete reporting from
what is normally a very well put together magazine.---Brian


Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 11:42:28 -0500
From: ***
Subject: Sharon Weber controversy

>Regarding the Sharon Weber controversy in the new IG, I would have liked to
see all of her scores to see a consistent range in the judging.

One quick comment on the lack of comparison of all Weber's scores.

The scores that appear in IG were written down by hand.  Although the
information was available on the terminal, the officials refused to make or
allow any printouts. 

Later in the magazine, there is a picture of the terminal screen.  I would
assume the reason all the screens were not photographed was the time
involved.  The press room only stayed open for a *very* short time after the
meet ended. 



Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 19:17:57 -0800
From: ***
Subject: Sharon Weber controversy

>The scores that appear in IG were written down by hand.  Although the
>information was available on the terminal, the officials refused to make or
>allow any printouts. 

So much for Teutonic efficiency.

>Later in the magazine, there is a picture of the terminal screen.  I would
>assume the reason all the screens were not photographed was the time
>involved.  The press room only stayed open for a *very* short time after the
>meet ended. 

Thanks for sticking up for us, but I did shoot each and every screen,
compulsories and optionals, at Paul's specific request. Why no in magazine?
The usual ... lack of space & time. Plus no follow-through from above.

The larger sample (hey, this'd be a fun slide show) reveals a biz-as-usual
pattern: Smaller countries freelance, the big guns play their own games.
Scoring in Dortmund lacked the subtlety of the good old 9.90+ days when one
could throw either 9.90, 9.95 or 10.0 to achieve the desired effect and
only be a little off. Down around 9.60-9.80 it gets messy.

Opinions do not necessarily reflect those of IG management or staff,
except when they do.


Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 02:56:35 -0500 (EST)
From: ***
Subject: The American Classic

Latest Info on American Classic
Just talked to Bill Strom and he said that the 800 info number posted for
info on the American Classic will only work in Northern Calif.! He also asked
me to post this info for all those interested, hope it's not too redundent.

AIRLINE RESERVATIONS: Unites at 1-800-521-4041, ID# 590uq. They will give you
a %5 discount over their lowest fare to any of the Bay Area airports (S.F.,
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RENTAL CAR: Budget Rent-a-car at 1-800-772-3773, code# VAR2GYM Rates are:
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Compact         $32             $149
Intermediate    $34             $159                ALL MODELS
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Luxury          $44.95          $249.99
Mini Van        $49.95          $269.99

HOTEL: Host hotel is:
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        1001 Broadway
        Oakland, CA 94607
        (510)451-4000 or

        $70/night up to 4 people/room, VIP suites, $400/night.
        Make all reservations prior to 1/16 for the discount rate!

TICKETS: $15 for all sessions, (in advance), workout on Thurs. 10:00am to
         7:00pm will be $5 at the door. VIP seating is aailable for $50 a

MEET SITE: Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center, 10 10th street, Oakland CA.

PARKING: at the parking garage, 65 cents an hour or $11 a day.

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node on 24hrs a day. Leave mail for Ben Corr or via the Net at


Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 22:14:47 -0500
From: ***
Subject: Trivia Answers #25:  Unexpected Victors

One quick comment before you read the answers.  The quiz this time was 80%
about the women.  Those whose interest lies in Men's or Rhythmic need to send
in questions.  Out of this last batch of submissions, 90% were women, 10%
men, and 0% rhythmic.  That's fine, if that's what you, the members of Gymn,
want.  If you want to see more men/rhythmic questions in trivia, send them

Again, credit (or blame <g>) for thinking up the questions goes to:


1. Which team jumped from 16th to 6th at '91 Worlds?   

Australian Women

2.  Which team jumped from 19th to 7th at '89 Worlds?

North Korean Women

3.  Which 1976 event final alternate won a bronze medal?  Which event?

Peter Kormann (USA), floor ex

4.  In 1987 in Rotterdam, this gymnast won a silver medal.  It was such a
surprise that the officials didn't even have a full-size flag of the
athlete's country on hand, and used a half-size flag.  Name the athlete,
event, and country.

Curtis Hibbert (CAN), high bar

5.  What gymnast broke a femur at 1985 Worlds, then returned to win the 1986
US title?  Bonus:  What rule change was made as a result of the 1985 injury?

Jennifer Sey  Bonus:  a coach was allowed on the podium during UB to spot
release moves

6.  This athlete entered a 1985 Worlds event final in 8th place, only to
leave with the bronze (this was before new life).  Name the gymnast and the

Hana Ricna (TCH), uneven bars

7.  Who was the surprising winner in the women's team competition at the 1994
Commonwealth Games and what teams placed 2nd and 3rd (when they had been
expected to fight it out for top spot)?

England was the winner
     Canada was second
     Australia was third

8.  She won her only all around title in 1980 in Moscow, though many felt
that the crown should have been awarded to Comaneci.  Do you remember her?

Yelena Davydova

9.  This gymnast thrilled the home crowd by making it on the podium at the
1975 Champions All tournament, an event that was won by 13 year-old Nadia
Comaneci.  Who was she?

Avril Lennox, former British national champion

10. (This one's for you, Susan) Which 'bionic athlete' returned from a
serious car crash to regain his World title in 1987?

Dimitri Bilozerchev


Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 21:12:45 -0500
From: ***
Subject: Upcoming meets

Has anyone heard any news about the Buckeye Classic (i.e. what teams
are going, etc.) that is coming up this weekend?  Also, is the format
the same as it was several years ago when the team prelims were Friday
and Saturday and finals were on Sunday?  I am trying to decide if it
is worth the drive home this weekend (I just got back to school

Also, does anyone know about getting tickets for the International Mixed
Pairs in Seattle in March or should I call Ticketmaster in Seattle?



Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 23:20:19 -0700 (MST)
From: ***
Subject: updated Gymn Guide

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two people; spare the forum and don't waste net resources by posting
your msg to all of Gymn if it's not appropriate.

-> If your post includes previous postings, please label the inclusion
with the original author. Sign your posts. Avoid long .sigs.

-> Try to add something substantial to the discussion. If you only add
"Yeah, that was funny!", or "I agree!", your post is not essential.

-> PLEASE Stay on the topic of gymnastics. This includes "Merry
Christmas," "Happy New Year's!," "Have a nice summer" and similar
postings too. The reason for this is not because we're mean (not all
of us, =), but rather that many Gymners receive hundreds of emails a
day, and we want to be considerate of these Gymners. (Adding "Have a
nice summer" to a gymnastics-filled msg is a different story, of
course, and perfectly acceptable.)

-> To keep the forum friendly, we ask that all members be respectful
of others' points of view. It is, of course, all right to disagree
with a person's opinion, but attacking them for holding it is
considered inappropriate in this forum. We aim to keep the "signal-to-
noise" ratio high, so PLEASE AVOID ALL MANNER OF "FLAMING". This
includes statements that are libelous in nature. Remember that jokes
are easily misinterpreted when communicating via text on a screen.

-> *DO NOT* post copyrighted articles on Gymn. This includes retyping
something you saw in the newspaper, forwarding articles from a
newswire, etc. You may, however, quote small parts of the article and
post a short summary of the story to Gymn (with proper reference), per
the "fair use" clause of copyright law.

-> Questions concerning whether or not a post might be appropriate for
the forum should be directed to George ( or
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IMPORTANT: Gymn is NOT responsible in any way for the content of
messages posted to the forum. Complete and total responsibility lies
with the author of the post. However, if you have a complaint with the
content of a message, and if it is a direct violation of the above
guidelines, please mention it to Gymn admin; if the problem is serious
enough, we will consider removing the member from the forum.

-- 4. Who is that person?  Getting to know your fellow posters...

In order for us to get to know one another, it would be helpful if you
could send a brief self-introduction to Gymn (less than 50 lines).
This should include things such as your name, age, where you live,
what you do, and of course, your connection to gymnastics, and
particular areas of interest within it. Of course all items are
optional, as is the request to write an introduction; feel free to add
anything else you'd like to.

You can request our file of compiled introductions from Every intro posted to Gymn is inserted into this
file. Please remember that Gymn is publically archived and any
information that you post will become part of the next Gymn digest and
thus stored on the ftp site. Gymn members haven't had any problems yet
with abuse of information. We do encourage you to submit an intro;
just please be careful about how much you tell about yourself.

-- 5. Current gymnastics news

You will learn results of meets or other current events in the
gymnastics community fairly quickly on Gymn. This is completely
dependent on the knowledge and volunteer effort of Gymn members,
however, so please keep this in mind when you're just dying to know
some results.

   5.1: From other sources

We monitor the BBS's of both USA Gymnastics and the US Olympic
Committee for press releases, and we also monitor some other
sportswires (AP, Reuters, UPI) and send summaries of new stories to
Gymn. If you know some recent results, news, or other current events,
please send it to Gymn!

   5.2: From our members

One of the best features of Gymn is getting posts from members who
have attended competitions; if you get a chance to see a live meet, we
*strongly* encourage you to post about it.

If you are going to be attending a larger meet and want to write up a
detailed report for Gymn, in other words be our "official Gymn
Reporter", then it is sometimes possible that we can secure press
credentials for you. You must submit complete and accurate reports to
Gymn about the competition. There are many factors to consider before
we can apply for a credential in your name, and the credentials are
limited. However, if you are interested, and feel that your writing
skills and gymnastics knowledge are strong enough, contact Rachele.

IMPORTANT: To be Gymn's official reporter at a meet, you MUST first be
authorized to do so by Gymn Admin. Even if you are a Gymn member, you
CANNOT present yourself as a reporter or other representative of Gymn
unless you have been specifically authorized by Gymn Admin to do so.
However, certainly, anyone at anytime is welcome to send in their
opinions of a competition; one certainly need not be the "official"
reporter to submit impressions to Gymn.

-- 6. Trivia contests (

We run trivia contests to highlight interesting facts, both historical
and technical, on Gymn. The topic will be introduced and everyone is
invited to submit questions (with answers); then, a day later, the
answers are posted. Keep your eye out for these. They're challenging!

-- 7. What's available (via ftp, gopher, or email)

Gymn's archives are maintained at: <>
This can be accessed either via gopher or ftp. Many thanks to Gymn
member Dan Bernitt for getting us this site!

   7.1: Addresses (***

We have the addresses for the more popular international federations,
collegiate programs, TV Networks, and also U.S. private clubs.

   7.2: Calendar (***

A calendar is published at the first of each month. Keep an eye out
for meets near your city! If you or your kid is competing in a meet
not listed on the calendar, just throw a msg John's way.

   7.3: Back issues of digests (***

Every message ever posted on Gymn (minus the first two weeks of Gymn
when we didn't yet have the digest option) is archived in digests
stored on our ftp site. Digests are named where nn is the
issue number.

   7.4: Resources (***

While the discussion format of Gymn is unique, you will undoubtably
find yourself wanting still more gymnastics material. We have
electronic subscription cards and addresses for several different
publications, and also various descriptions of these publications
(written by Gymn members, not the magazines) to help you decide which
ones are best for your interests. 

Coming soon: a compilation of all 'net resources and BBS's we know of
for gymnastics.

   7.5: FAQ (***, ***

In Progress.  Hopefully completed by the 1995 American Cup. 

   7.6: History files (***

Lots and lots of results!  Check it out -- we have Worlds, Olympics,
Europeans, and more.

-- 8. GIFs anyone?  (***

Gymn maintains a gymnastics gif site at <>.
Only non-copyrighted pictures are on this site. Contact Debbie if you want to contribute.

-- 9. An address book

                     Email Addresses you need to know:
Mail to the alias "" will go to all members of the Gymn
forum, and will be included in the digests. (I.E., *don't* send
administrative requests, such as unsubscribes, to this address!)

Our anon ftp site is <>. (Login: anonymous,
password: your_address).

Got a Question?  Who to Call?
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Addresses                   *** (Rachele)
Administrative problems     *** (Robyn)
Apply to report a meet      ***, *** (Rachele/George)
Calendar                    *** (John L Courtney)
Digests                     *** (Rachele)
FAQ ideas and questions     *** (Debbie)
FTP/gopher site questions   *** (Rachele)
Introductions file          *** (Anil)
Miscellany                  *** (George)
Resources                   *** (Anil)
Results                     *** (Debbie)
Subscribe/Unsubscribe (Robyn)
Switch to/fr digest format (Robyn)
Trivia                      *** (Mara)

-- 10. About The Gymn Guide

The Gymn Guide is written specifically for Gymn members. If you have a
friend who wants to know more about Gymn, The Gymn Fact Sheet is
probably more appropriate for distribution than this Guide, as the
Fact Sheet is _much_ shorter. You can obtain the Fact Sheet at
<>. NOTE: Please, if you
refer your friends to Gymn, DO NOT give them the address;
this only results in subscription requests being delivered to all
members of Gymn.  Send them to


Yours in gymnastics,

- Robyn Kozierok, Gymn List Administrator
- Rachele Harless, Gymn Forum Manager
- George Atkins, Gymn Assistant Forum Manager


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 08:58:20 -0700 (MST)
From: ***
Subject: updated Gymn Guide

| To follow up my last message, just to be precise, it's actually at
|                                    ^^^^

Thanks.  I thought the "ta" was temporary?



Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 22:53:20 -0500
From: ***
Subject: USAIGC Championships

Does anyone know the dates and location for this year's USAIGC
Championship?  Failing that, how about the dates for last year's meet?
Private e-mail is fine, so as to not clutter the list.




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