GYMN-L Digest - 7 Jul 1995 to 8 Jul 1995

There are 12 messages totalling 316 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Garden State Games
  2. Belated US vs. UKR Thoughts (2)
  3. Rhythmic European Championships (Day Three)
  4. Older Gymnasts At Atlanta
  5. Just returned from Woodward Camp...
  6. elite
  7. Elites
  8. In TV Guide (2)
  9. Just returned from Woodwa...
 10. USAG Videos


Date:    Sat, 8 Jul 1995 00:35:42 -0400
Subject: Garden State Games

Anyone going to the garden state games Saturday in Edsison,NJ? Come say
hello if you are!!!


Date:    Sat, 8 Jul 1995 03:57:39 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Belated US vs. UKR Thoughts

I finally had a chance to watch my US vs. Ukraine tape (personal & family
commitments have kept me busy lately).

A few assorted thoughts:

-Amy Chow's opening combination of stalders to Shaposhnikova is really nice.

-It was a truly unfortunate meet for the US men.  The USAG's officially
stated goal of a team Bronze in Atlanta seems more and more distant.  One
must wonder if the goal for Sabae has become simply to qualify for Atlanta.

-Oleg Kosyak's young, but with some polish he could be a real leader for

-Will Jay Thornton be getting credited in the Code for the first one-arm
Yurchenko? ;-)

-I will be very interested to see what Mirgorodskaya can do with her UB set
between now and Atlanta.  I would like to have seen her other events.



Date:    Sat, 8 Jul 1995 20:24:43 BST
From:    ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject: Rhythmic European Championships (Day Three)

Rhythmic European Team Championships    (Day Three)

Prague, Czech Republic          6-9 July 1995

Junior Individual All-Around Results

 =1. Teodora Alexandrova        (BUL)   38.650
 =1. Valeria Vatkina            (BLR)   38.650
  3. Elena Chalamova            (RUS)   38.625
  4. Anna Chichova              (RUS)   38.175
  5. Elena Gatilova             (UKR)   38.100
  6. Esther Dominguez           (ESP)   38.050
  7. Ioulia Rasskina            (BLR)   38.000
  8. Borislava Ilieva           (BUL)   37.900
  9. Lorena Gurendez            (ESP)   37.875
 10. Julia Furkalo              (UKR)   37.475
 11. Letizia Rossi              (ITA)   37.400
 12. Lital Baumwall             (ISR)   37.325
 13. Arianna Rusca              (ITA)   37.225
 14. Dora Toth                  (HUN)   37.150
 15. Lucie Barkova              (CZE)   37.050
 16. Zaneta Cernohlavkova       (CZE)   36.925
 17. Evelina Benchea            (ROM)   36.850
 18. Keren Kestenbaum           (ISR)   36.700
 19. Nina Vengust               (SLO)   36.675
=20. Magalie Poisson            (FRA)   36.650
=20. Jessica Dherbometz         (FRA)   36.650
 22. Orsolya Zigler             (HUN)   36.525
 23. Roudoulou Christodoulou    (GRE)   36.350
 24. Camelia Zara               (ROM)   36.100

(These girls' names are hard to type! All the names are correct except
 that of the first name of Christodoulou (23rd) whom I'm not sure about.)

- The dynamic little Bulgarian Teodora Alexandrova won the crowd over and
  despite a dropped ribbon in the last rotation, she managed to tie the
  top spot with Valeria Vatkina of Belarus. All the junior girls competing
  are small sized, and Alexandrova is probably the smallest of the lot.
  She is full of difficulty though, performing D-elements when the juniors
  are only required to do A and B elements.

- Elena Chalamova who finished third was very typical of the classical
  Russian style. She is, though, probably the thinnest rhythmic gymnast
  I've ever seen...



Date:    Sat, 8 Jul 1995 16:06:25 -0600
Subject: Older Gymnasts At Atlanta

I have to agree with you, Alix, that alot of the older gymnasts may not win
medals, but at least they will be there. It is kind of an inspiration for
some to see older gymnasts still sticking it out and competeing internationally
when people have written them off. Two such AMERICAN gymnasts peeked early, and
everyone seemed to have written them off and they came back, worked hard,
and went on to the Olympics long after people had thought they we nothing.
They were, if you haven't figured it out, Kathy Johnson and Kelly GArrison.

As for Dawes and Miller, I have to agree, and I think that Sabae will be a
good testing ground between the young and the older gymnasts. Miller,
for EVERYTHING she has done for USA GYMNASTS, I think has hit her peak,
whereas Dawes, I think may peak in 1996. As for Piskiun, she's been around
for awhile too, and it has been a long time since her Gold in Birmingham.

You have to admit one thing, however. That is the reall reason that we are
seeing alot of older gymnasts at international competition is due to
the break up of the USSR. If it hadn't happened, do you think they would
have let someone like Chusovitina compete still? I doubt it. But she is
a good role model for others, since she seemed to have peaked in '91.

Just my $0.02.

As for Milosovic, I don't think she'll challenge for gold in Sabae. I think
it will be Khorkina vs. a Romania. Maybe Gogean, but could be their new star,
the one that is being compared to Dobre.
(I forgot her name- she was at the European Cup!)

P.S. I don't think that Podkopyva is fading. I just think that she is NOW
getting respect from judges and commentators. She's great, and as Kathy
Johnson said at Goodwill, '94 "She has it all."


Date:    Sat, 8 Jul 1995 19:27:41 -0400
Subject: Just returned from Woodward Camp...

As the subject line says, I just returned from Woodward Gymnastics Camp
today (I was there for two weeks).  So first off, if I make any typos,
it might be because I haven't typed in two weeks.  Also, if you sent me
any mail over the past two weeks, obviously I haven't gotten around to
reading it (and to make matters worse, I just wiped out my whole inbox
because my computer crashed during a POP mail transfer, but that should
remedy itselft in the next few days) so don't be offended if you haven't
gotten a reply :).

Now, for slightly more exciting matters ;).  Almost every week of every
summer, Woodward manages to draw some famous gymnast there, and my two
weeks were no exception.  Dominique Dawes showed up with her whole team
my first week, Tatiana Lysenko was there both weeks, and Tatiana Gutsu
was there the second week.  In addition, it seems much of UCLA's (now
nonexistent?) men's team was there.  The only ones I recognized for sure
was Chris Waller and the coach Yefim Furman, but Steve McCain was there
also (I know, because they kept announcing his name over the loudspeaker
as someone who had a message in the camp office) and some others also.  They
joined the usual cast of characters -- Steve Elliot (8 time world
tumbling champ, now one of the directors at the camp), Vladimir Novikov
(a former Soviet who competed somewhat before my time), and Vitaly Scherbo
(who I never saw at the camp for an extended period of time, but he was
definitely there).

I didn't get to watch Dominique work out much, and I haven't seen her
routines for a long time, so I couldn't really tell you what new stuff
she's putting in her routines.  She was working what I think is called a
Hindorf (free hip-immediate Tkatchev) on bars; I have some vague
recollection of someone saying that Dominique now had that move in her
bar routine.  Dominique also tumbled with my group one day, which was
really cool, and she was working on a double layout into an in-ground
Resi pit.  They looked pretty good too; she was standing them up and
everything.  I also saw her vaulting one day; she was doing Yurchenko
1.5's, but it looked like she was working on double twisting Yurchenko's
(after completing the 1.5 twists and landing, she would do a jump .5
turn).  Also working out with Dominique was a girl named Raegan Tamasck
(I think that's how you spell her name).  She's apparently brand new to
Hill's (my counselor said that she just started working with Kelli Hill
the Monday she came to camp).  She was working triple twists on floor and
double fronts too, I think.  She has really nice lines -- all her split
leaps and stuff are really pretty.

Some cool stuff from the staff tumbling demo: Steve Elliot and a
counselor named Paul Columbo both did triple backs (Elliot into a
Resi-pit over a foam pit, Paul into a foam pit), Elliot
and another counselor named Pete Doyle did triple twisting double backs,
Gutsu did her split-leg double layout off Tumble-tramp (a 60' long
trampoline that's less bouncy than a normal trampoline), and Lysenko did
double pikes.  Elliot also did something like double layout-flip
flop-whip-full in full out.  He's a pretty amazing tumbler, especially
considering he's in his late thirties!

All in all, my two weeks were terrific.  If you're thinking about going
to Woodward, either later this summer (some of the later sessions are
probably still open) or next year, email me and I can probably answer
many of your questions.


P.S. I think I just recovered my mailbox in its entirety!


Date:    Sat, 8 Jul 1995 20:37:49 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: elite

The Juniors on the national team  are elite.



Date:    Sat, 8 Jul 1995 20:44:20 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Elites

Juniors have to be under the age of 14or 14, but they are elligible to
compete as seniors whenever they wish. There still is one more National
Qualifier, the US Classic, to be held soon.


Date:    Sat, 8 Jul 1995 20:53:44 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: In TV Guide

I thought John Tesh did a great job in '92, and he also does GREAT music. My
old floor routine was "Barcelona"   Actually I heard that Superstars of
Gymnastics was airing on Thursday!!!! I partially agree with the tv guide,
but there still are outstanding kids  on the National Teams from all nations,
for proof, check out Dominique Moceanu & Jennie Thompson, Mina Kim, etc. We
haven't shifted totally!!!!



Date:    Sat, 8 Jul 1995 21:02:25 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Belated US vs. UKR Thoughts

I know Jay Thorton personally, he works out in my gym. I thought ( so did he)
that he did a great job of following thru, on a vault that could of been
disasterous. (Trent Dimas, Nationals in '91 for example)

By the way, I recently read "Little Girls in Pretty Boxes" by Joan Ryan, a
must read for everyone. There is a sad story on Julissa Gomez, who was
paralyzed doing a Yurchenko (her foot slipped off the board) along with some
frightning stories on eating disorders & injuries.



Date:    Sat, 8 Jul 1995 21:20:14 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Just returned from Woodwa...

Dominique's had a Hindorf since first competing it in Dortmund!!!! Raegan
used to go to Gym-XL, so apparently she's switched to Hills. She is a
tremdous talent. Hey, do you know a gymnastics that I think was at Woodward
these past weeks named Kathy Randall??



Date:    Sat, 8 Jul 1995 21:52:26 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: In TV Guide

Opps!!! I goofed!!  "Superstars of Gymnastics" will air on Thursday, NOT
Wednesday of next week!  It will be on the 13th on the USA network at 8 pm
central.  Sorry!!!

Ann Marie

P.S.  It is supposed to re-air on Saturday, July 15 on USA at 12 noon


Date:    Sat, 8 Jul 1995 21:56:05 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: USAG Videos

For all those interested...
Two new videos are availible from USAG, the women's training and competition
from the Budget Invitational. Both tapes were shot with hand-held cameras.
The Training tape is 1:55:00 and the Competition tape is 1:15:00. I think the
price is $14.50 or so. If interested in these or other videos from USAG, call
USAG merchandise 1-800-4-USA-GYM.



End of GYMN-L Digest - 7 Jul 1995 to 8 Jul 1995