gymn Digest                 Thu,  5 Jan 95       Volume 3 : Issue  56

 

Today's Topics:

                     gymnasts and decision-making

                     gymnasts and decision making

                         Gymnasts and Smiles

                    help with gymnastics project.

                      Kim Zmeskal News? (3 msgs)

                   leaps and conditioning (2 msgs)

                        Miller wins Dial award

                          Network Addresses

                      News from France (6 msgs)

                            Olympicswatch

                    PR: American Classic (2 msgs)

                       Question on UB Dismounts

                     Shannon speculation (2 msgs)

                            the NCAA vote

                            TOPS? (2 msgs)

                 Tournament of Roses parade (2 msgs)

                          When is the vote?

                              Womens FX

                         Worlds (so I'm slow)

 

This is a digest of the gymn@athena.mit.edu mailing list. 

 

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Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 09:06:34 -0800

From: ***@Eng.Sun.COM

Subject: gymnasts and decision-making

 

I wouldn't be too hard on gymnasts for giving their coaches the

"final word" on what to do or don't.  And I certainly don't

see it as a bad thing.  In fact, I`d be surprised if it were any

other way.  That's what coaches get paid to do!

 

Coach Seifert (of the 49'ers) to Rice and Young:  Okay, guys, we're

up 94-3.  This game doesn't mean anything anyway.  So why don't you

two come out and rest up for the palyoffs?  We need to give Elvis

some game time, anyway.

 

Rice and Young (in unison):  Stuff it, coach!  We want to play!

We're grown men!  Stop treating us like babies.  Sheesh, you act

like we're seventeen-year-old girl gymnasts or something.

 

Seifert:  Oh, okay.  I respect you for making these kind of

decisions on your own and realize how it will help you in the

real world later on in life.  We wouldn't want you to turn out

like sventeen-year-old girl gymnasts!  Try not to get hurt...

 

(i.e. Wouldn't happen! My apologies for talking football. I

pick the '9ers and Steelers. ;^)

 

 

-George

 

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Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 15:51:48 -0500

From: ***@aol.com

Subject: gymnasts and decision making

 

>Coach Seifert (of the 49'ers) to Rice and Young:  Okay, guys, we're

up 94-3.  This game doesn't mean anything anyway.  So why don't you two come

out and rest up for the palyoffs?  We need to give Elvis

some game time, anyway.<

 

Well, I like the anology (where are you Adriana?) but it's a little far off

considering what actually happened.  Rice and Young will always start but if

the Niners are winning by 91 points it is pointless for them to go in anymore

ie it's a sure victory.  The Worlds was NOT a sure victory for the US, in

fact, a medal was going to be a challenge originally.  The team needed

Shannon and she turned her back on them.  Whether or not it was her coaches

decision or not and whether or not she has any spine or has any input about

her career remains to be seen but in the long run it is her that will be hurt

by this.  Imho it is the team that comes first over personal glory and any

athlete that has ever competed on a team will tell you this. Including Steve

Young!  (He told Radnich this after the Denver game.) 

 

 

Amanda

 

 

>(i.e. Wouldn't happen! My apologies for talking football. I

pick the '9ers and Steelers. ;^)>

 

And I pick the niners.

 

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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 01:45:58 -0500

From: ***@aol.com

Subject: Gymnasts and Smiles

 

I agree that deep concentration often causes gymnasts to "forget" to smile.

 But, I think that  those gymnasts who remember to do so enhance their

performance and makes it more "entertaining" to watch. 

 

Should adding expression to a performance be rewarded?  Does it require

greater effort?  Added training?  Perhaps even choreography?  I think for

some yes, and for some no. 

 

Does adding expression make a routine appear superior, one an audience would

remember more and look forward to seeing?  Without a doubt.  All else being

equal, people just love a smile.

 

Wasn't it just that quality, that smile, that made so many around the world

remember Nadia, Olga and Mary Lou?  It looked like they were really having

fun, didn't it?.

 

Well, that's how I feel about it.  And one more thing,  wasn't it "just

wanting to have fun" that got gymnasts enrolled in the first place?  I think

that if a gymnast ever stops having fun, at any level, they are really

missing, or "forgeting" the point, (which judges just might be counting).

 

Jeff

 

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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 10:02:32 -0500 (EST)

From: ***@laird.ccds.cincinnati.oh.us

Subject: help with gymnastics project.

 

Hi my name is Kelly Olson and i am doing a project on gymnastics

concerning all my classes ie.science of ,history of, language of,ect.

if you have any information concering this please write to me at

***@ccds.cincinnati.oh.us

 

thanks 

 

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Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 01:12:01 -0500 (EST)

From: ***@infinet.com

Subject: Kim Zmeskal News?

 

Anyone have any news about my favorite gymnast Kim Zmeskal??  I saw brief

glimpses of her during that Danskin event that was just on last weekend

but they didn't mention her at all!  Bummed me out!  They showed Nadia

and Bart a million times and showed Betty Okino, but nothing about Kim. 

They showed Kim walking off with the rest of the performers at the very

end so I assume she performed.  What is Kim up to now?

 

I am also looking for any videos or pictures that anyone might have of her.

 

Thanks,

 

George C.

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Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 10:04:26 +1000

From: ***@pharm.med.upenn.edu

Subject: Kim Zmeskal News?

 

>Anyone have any news about my favorite gymnast Kim Zmeskal??

> 

>George C.

 

 

Kim is still really recovering from her knee injury that happened with the

demo of USA v. Romania in Mass.  Turns out as a result of the knee her

workouts are not going as often or as smoothly as she would like, and it is

also creating the problem of her taking off the weight that she gained

while in retirement and immediate knee rehab.  According to "Mrs. Karolyi",

Kim needs to get down to a weight where the impact on the knee is not so

great that reinjury is a constant threat. 

 

Also, I have an interesting side note -- we have been talking about the

maturity level and ability of these young women 17, 18+ Shannon & Dom to

make decisions, etc.  After speaking with one of the USA Gym dance

teachers, choreographers (he doesn't work with Shannon, but with Dom) - she

is completely deferential to Kelly, just says yes to other people, and then

waits for Kelly to really make the reaction, decision, etc.  I have a

feeling that when these and other great gymnasts enter the real world, be

it college or not, they will have a hard time really knowing how to make

the decisions that are basic to most of us. 

 

Well, enough gossip

 

Mayland   

 

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Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 22:32:36 -0500

From: ***@aol.com

Subject: Kim Zmeskal News?

 

I have been following this thread for a while, and I would like to speak on

behalf of Shannon and other gymnasts. 

>From the gym settings I have been in, it is the coach who makes the

decisions.  Yes, Shannon is a valuable member of the US team, but she is

first a gymnast in Nunno's gym.  As we are not there in her workouts, there

is no way for us to know if he made the best decision for Shannon or for his

team.  BUT, he is the coach and he runs the program.  Not only that, he is in

charge and ultimate responsibility rests on his shoulders.  Hopefully, he is

looking out for her and her teams best interests.

 

I am a coach, and I make the decisions as to which meets we will compete and

who will compete what.  I may ask for input from the girls, but ultimately

the decision is mine as is responsibility for the girls.    Hence, I try to

make decisions based on what is best for my team as a whole.

 

I would think Nunno does the same.

 

Debbie

 

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Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 01:47:12 -0500

From: ***@aol.com

Subject: leaps and conditioning

 

I am looking for the correct way to teach a split leap to Level 5 and 6

gymnasts.  Over the years, I have heard differing views of the way leaps

should be done.  Should the gymnast strive for distance when leaping, or

should she aim to use as little space as possible while lifting to the

complete split?

 

Secondly, we work out only 3 times a week, so I am looking for new ideas on

conditioning in a short period of time.  That is, if we have just 20 minutes,

does anyone have any ideas or knowledge of how to best use the time?

 

Thanks!

Debbie

 

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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 15:37:57 -0800

From: ***@sce.com

Subject: leaps and conditioning

 

>I am looking for the correct way to teach a split leap to Level 5 and 6

>gymnasts.  ....

> 

>Secondly, we work out only 3 times a week, so I am looking for new ideas on

>conditioning in a short period of time.  That is, if we have just 20 minutes,

>does anyone have any ideas or knowledge of how to best use the time?

 

I'm the mother of an 8 year old level 6 gymnast at Charter Oak in Covina

California. What I've seen that's worked for her involves 5 pound ankle

weights.

 

1. They attach a weight to each ankle, hang from a high bar, and swing

their legs as though they're doing a split leap.  I think they do three

sets of 20.

 

2.  With ankle weights on they practice 10 leaps on floor and then remove

the weights and do more.  This one really helped her get height and a

fuller split.

 

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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 17:58:43 -0700 (MST)

From: ***@rmii.com

Subject: Miller wins Dial award

 

I got this from USA Gymnastics who in turn got this from the BW SportsWire:

 

12/2/1994

 

"The Dial Award, America's most coveted award for high school seniors,

has been won by Shannon Miller, America's most decorated gymnast, of

Edmond North High School, Edmond, Okla., and Taymond Domzalski,

6-foot-10-inch basketball ace from New Mexico Military Institute,

Roswell, N.M.

 

Both 17 years old, Miller and Domzalski were chosen by a nationwide

panel of high school athletic administrators, sports journalists,

academicians and athletic federation members who base their vote on

three areas of accomplishment: athletic, academic an d civic."

 

Miller and Domzalski will get their award at the 60th Annual Awards

Dinner on the 21st, at the Touchdown Club at the Washington Hilton

Hotel in D.C.

 

"The black-tie banquet is an annual event attended by well-known

entertainment and sports stars, as well as Washington politicians,

Supreme Court justices and top brass from the military services. Dial

will fly both winners and their parents to Washington to accept their

silver trophy awards. On behalf of the two winners, Dial will also

present a $5,000 grant to each of their high schools."

 

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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 95 15:00:31 EST

From: ***@BBN.COM

Subject: Network Addresses

 

I've meant to post this for a while.  Maybe it would fit into

some part of the FAQ as well?  At any rate, here are the

addresses of the broadcast and non-premium cable networks

most likely to show gymnastics.  If you want to praise,

complain, or plead, here's where to do it:

 

ABC

77 W. 66th St.

New York, NY  10023

 

CBS

51 W. 52nd St.

New York, NY  10019

 

ESPN [or ESPN2, I assume]

ESPN Plaza

935 Middle St.

Bristol, CT  06010

 

NBC

30 Rockefeller Plaza

New York, NY  10112

 

TNT or TBS

One CNN Center

P.O. Box 105366

Atlanta, GA  30348

 

Cheers,

 

>>Kathy

 

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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 21:10:07 -0500

From: ***@aol.com

Subject: News from France

 

French Nationals:

     Elodie Lussac, 1993 Jr. Euro Champ in the AA and three events, tied with

Laetitia Begue, 1994 Jr. Euro AA runner-up, for the French National title.

 Begue won compulsories (38.950) over Lussac (38.775) but a 9.4 on vault in

optionals gave Lussac the optional win and resulted in a tie (78.025). 

      Frederic Lemoine won the men's meet over Eric Poujade, 94 Worlds Silver

medalist, 108.65-107.4.

      The French are cool.

***************

The Golden Talent Tournament

Orleans, France, 14 and 15 October 1994

(This was an international Junior Competition)

 

Men:

1. Yevgeni Podgorny (RUS)- 55.1

2. Nikolai Krukov (RUS)- 54.25

3. Laurent Landi (FRA)- 52.1

4. Yohan Renne (FRA)- 51.85

5. Vasile Ciona (ROM)- 51.75

6. Robert Gal (HUN)- 50.35

7. Yoann Benhamou (FRA)- 49.4

8. Mitja Petrovsek (SLO)- 49.1

9. Dorin Petcu (ROM)- 47.6

10. Georges Avranidis (GRE)- 47.2

11. Mandi Karabatsiakis (GRE)- 44.7

 

Podgorny won every event but pommels which Krukov won (Podgorny second).

 

Women:

1. Yulia Korostileva (RUS)- 38.475

2. Camelia Andronic (ROM)- 38.3

3. Yelena Dolgopolova (RUS)- 37.975

4. Emilie Volle (FRA)- 37.150

5. Aurelia Gheba (ROM)- 36.45

6. Aurore Aghillianon (FRA)- 35.9

7. Mojra Mavric (SLO)- 35.6

 

Dolgopolova won vault, Korostileva won beam and bars, and Andronic won floor.

**********

Isabelle Severino, 94 Jr. European Bars Champion, has recorded an album

titled "Tomorrow or After Tomorrow" ("Demain ou Apres Demain").  In

association with the choir, Petits Ecoliers Chantants,  and composer/author

Sergei Gregor, whom Isabelle had admired, and who has also been associated

with gymnastics during the shows he produces involving dancers and gymnasts

and musicians.   

 

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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 95 11:16:13 GMT

From: ***@ic.ac.uk

Subject: News from France

 

 

> French Nationals:

>      Elodie Lussac, 1993 Jr. Euro Champ in the AA and three events, tied with

> Laetitia Begue, 1994 Jr. Euro AA runner-up, for the French National title.

 

When was this? Didn't someone say Lussac was injured and would be out of

action for a few months?

 

> Women:

> 2. Camelia Andronic (ROM)- 38.3

 

Go Camelia!

 

Sherwin

 

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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 07:42:47 -0700 (MST)

From: ***@rmii.com

Subject: News from France

 

| 

| > French Nationals:

| >      Elodie Lussac, 1993 Jr. Euro Champ in the AA and three events, tied with

| > Laetitia Begue, 1994 Jr. Euro AA runner-up, for the French National title.

|

| When was this? Didn't someone say Lussac was injured and would be out of

| action for a few months?

 

Well, I read in _IG_ that after her injury at Worlds in Australia,

"Three weeks later Elodie is back in competition.  And not a small

one.  The European championships were in Stockholm, Sweden, and Elodie

had two choices: withdraw, or recover in time to help her teammates.

She never considered the first option; Elodie is definitely a

fighter."  (January 1995, p. 48)

 

Rachele

 

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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 95 15:21:50 GMT

From: ***@ic.ac.uk

Subject: News from France

 

>From Rachele,

 

> | 

> | > French Nationals:

> | > Elodie Lussac, 1993 Jr. Euro Champ in the AA and three events, tied with

> | > Laetitia Begue, 1994 Jr. Euro AA runner-up, for the French National title.

> |

> | When was this? Didn't someone say Lussac was injured and would be out of

> | action for a few months?

> 

> Well, I read in _IG_ that after her injury at Worlds in Australia,

> "Three weeks later Elodie is back in competition.  And not a small

> one.  The European championships were in Stockholm, Sweden, and Elodie

> had two choices: withdraw, or recover in time to help her teammates.

> She never considered the first option; Elodie is definitely a

> fighter."  (January 1995, p. 48)

 

Well, this was the article that I was referring to (from Debbie on

22 Dec):

 

> Yesterday's _l'Equipe_ ran a story (I don't have time tonight to translate

> it all) entitled "A Difficult Blow for Lussac."  To sum up, her back had

> been hurting her very much during the Dortmund Worlds and, upon her return

> to Marseille, several tests were performed.

>

> The diagnosis is a compression fracture of the vertebrae.  Lussac will have

> to wear a brace for 3 months, followed by at least 2 months of

> rehabilitation.

>

> Debbie

 

I'm assuming that the French Nationals were held before her op? Or maybe

she's so tough that she isn't go to have an op? The French Nationals were

probably held before Dortmund Worlds (like our British Nats), that's the

only explanation I can think of... (but then I'm guessing...)

 

Sherwin

 

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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 21:45:28 -0500

From: ***@aol.com

Subject: News from France

 

IMHO, I think the US is foolish to ignore the junior meets.

 

Mara

 

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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 02:03:26 -0500

From: ***@aol.com

Subject: News from France

 

>> French Nationals:

>      Elodie Lussac, 1993 Jr. Euro Champ in the AA and three events, tied

with

> Laetitia Begue, 1994 Jr. Euro AA runner-up, for the French National title.

      >When was this? Didn't someone say Lussac was injured and would be out

of action for a few months?<

 

French Nationals were held 21-23 October.

 

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Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 09:59:19 -0800

From: ***@Eng.Sun.COM

Subject: Olympicswatch

 

A bit of a play on words.  Swatch is the official time piece of the

'96 Olympic games.  FYI, Delta is the official airline, Coca-Cola the

official beverage (does this surprise you?)  I bet you peaches are

the official fruit.  Other sponsors (don't know why I'm telling you

this) are: Kodak, Visa, Baush&Lomb, Xerox, Sports Illustrated,

Panasonic, IBM, John Hancock, UPS, Nations Bank, Champion, Home

Depot (?), Budweiser (???), McDonalds (?????), and AT&T.  Can't

you just see the ads we'll be watchig waiting for Doni Thompson's

floor routine?

 

At any rate, just got back from Atlanta.  Let me tell you the town's

a buzzing.  There's a daily column about the Olympics in the  Atlanta

Constitution.  Construction is going on everywhere.  People are

brushing up on their Russian.  Okay, I made the last one up, but it

would probably be a good idea.

 

It's amazing how an Olympiad shapes a town.  New baseball stadium,

airport extensions, etc. etc.  Something tells me it shouldn't be

this way, but hey, on to gymnastics!

 

I picked up an information brochure at the Olympic Experience at

Underground Atlanta.  It's really just a shop for T-shirts and stuff,

but it's fun to go to, and they do have some cool displays, and even

a touch screen for information.  There were quite a few foreign

accents there when I went.  People are modifying their travel plans

so they can buy Olympic T-shirts, I guess.  Sounds familiar, since

this is what I was doing!

 

Anyway, the brochure is titled "The Games of the Century" and it's

accented in the trademark green and gold (they appear to be the colors

for the Atlanta game.)  It's interesting that the last time I was there

the info sheet was really just a Xeroxed (tm) page of events and prices. 

This one is a real brochure.  The front cover gives a little blurb about

the father of the Modern Olympiad, Baron Pierre de Coubertin.  Successive

pages are mostly pictures of athletes in competition from previous

Olympics.  The bottom of each page gives facts and figures about

tickets and prices.  75% of the event tickets will cost less than $40,

and each sport will have at least one session that will cost $25 or

less.  Event tickets will include transportation to the Olympic venue

within metro Atlanta (first time ever.)

 

Artistic Gymnastics will be held in the Georgia Dome Saturday, July

20th to Thursday, July 25th, and Sunday, July 28th to Tuesday, July

30th.  The Gala event (whatever that is) will be on the 30th.

 

Rhythmic Gymnastics will be at Morehouse College from Saturday,

August 1st to Tuesday, August 4th (same day as closing ceremony.)

Artistic ticket prices range from $25 to $250, and Rhythmic prices

go from $10 to $50.

 

If you're into rhythmic gymnastics, it looks to be a steal of a deal.

Best seat in the house for $50.  I didn't used to think much of

rhythmic gymnastics until I got into it during the '92 games.  I

happened by the TV when it was on and was enthralled!  This is where

I'll be!

 

Tickets are expected to go on sale in May of '95 (or so the woman

at the store told me.  The brochure says "Spring", so be on your

toes if you want to buy some.)  The brochure explicitly states:

"Orders for tickets *will not be accepted* before the on-sale date."

So I wouldn't even bother to try before then.  "All tickets will be

delivered to buyers in the summer of 1996."

 

There are numbers listed on the bottom for further information:

 

404-744-1996  Ticket info

404-658-1996  Mail order merchandise requests

 

The T-shirts are way cool, but if you buy one for Rachele, don't get

her a white one ;^)

 

Yours in Gymnastics,

 

-George

 

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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 18:00:34 -0700 (MST)

From: ***@rmii.com

Subject: PR: American Classic

 

>From USA Gymnastics Online!:

 

1995 AM CLASSIC AND PAN AM TRIALS QUALIFYING MEET (12/5/94)

 

1995 American Classic and Pan American Games Trials Qualifying Meet

> Sponsored by the Northern California Women's Gymnastics Association

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

MAILED: 12/1 5/94

 

1995 American Classic Tickets Now On Sale

 

Oakland, CA (Special)--The 1995 American Classic/Pan American Games Trials

may still be three months off, but interest is building.

Advance tickets are now available, and more than 300 have already been sold

for this USA Gymnastics-sanctioned national women's competition, according

to Meet Director Bill Strom. A sellout is expected.

 

"Bay Area gymnastics fans are excited about this meet, and it's easy to see

why," said Strom, owner of Gymtowne Gymnastics in San Bruno. "With athletes

such as Dominique Dawes Shannon Miller, Keri Strug, and San Jose's own Amy

Chow all on schedule to qualify for the meet, a great competition is

 already anticipated... even now, three months in advance."

 

The 1995 American Classic/Pan American Games Trials, sponsored by the

Northern California Women's Gymnastics Association, is slated for February

15, 17 and 18 (Thursday, Friday and Saturday) at Oakland's Henry J. Kaiser

Arena. Thursday has been desig nated as a training session, with

compulsories set for Friday and optionals scheduled for Saturday.

 

Individual tickets, good for all three sessions, are priced at $15, or fans

may view the Thursday training session only for just $5. Group discounts

are also available through local gymnastics clubs.

 

For more information on the meet, individual ticket orders or group

discounts, call 800/ON-2-OLYMPICS (800/662-6596).

 

- Walker Enterprises -

 

(ps -- George lives in Oakland!)

 

Rachele

 

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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 95 8:19:17 PST

From: ***@sol.metaware.com

Subject: PR: American Classic

 

> 1995 American Classic and Pan American Games Trials Qualifying Meet

>

> 1995 American Classic Tickets Now On Sale

>

> The 1995 American Classic/Pan American Games Trials, sponsored by the

> Northern California Women's Gymnastics Association, is slated for February

> 15, 17 and 18 (Thursday, Friday and Saturday) at Oakland's Henry J. Kaiser

> Arena. Thursday has been desig nated as a training session, with

> compulsories set for Friday and optionals scheduled for Saturday.

> 

> For more information on the meet, individual ticket orders or group

> discounts, call 800/ON-2-OLYMPICS (800/662-6596).

>

I'll call this number, but I was wondering if anyone new if tickets are

going to be sold through any regular ticket agency, or if only by phone.

 

Anyone have any idea?

 

--Robin

 

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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 23:51:36 -0500

From: ***@aol.com

Subject: Question on UB Dismounts

 

Since I don't have a copy of the Code at my fingertips, and Adriana is away,

I thought I would toss a question out there:

 

How does the current Code treat UB dismounts off the *low bar* such as

Mukhina's back tuck?

 

Low bar dismounts, along with general use of the low bar, started to die out

in the early '80s if I recall correctly.

 

If anyone has a Code, could you please comment?

 

Mara

 

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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 02:21:52 -0500

From: ***@aol.com

Subject: Shannon speculation

 

>Where were the other elites during the Goodwill

Games? They were at home preparing for US Championships.

So I guess they were turning their back on their country?

No. They made a decision that was in their best interest.<

 

Really?  There wasn't a trials for Goodwill.  Wasn't it up to Nunno to pick

the best team or something?  Surprise surprise he picked all his own girls.

 Certainly Goodwill can't be compared to Worlds because it was much more of

an individual honors type thing than an important team meet.  Worlds of

course for those of us who remember used to be a VERY prestigious meet but I

guess it's not so any more. 

> Here Shannon was injured.<

 

Was she?  I hadn't heard.  What is her injury?  Why didn't anybody mention

this than? Why didn't Tim or Elfie mention it? Why didn't Nunno offer it as

an explanation?  If she was injured of course, that's one thing.

>If she competes here, who knows if she's gonna be there for the

US in95 or 96. Whereas if she misses this meet, the chances

are much better. So, the US highlights Dom, trusts its other

very talented gymnasts, and does well.<

 

How does competing in this competition hurt her chances for Atlanta?  Aren't

Dawes and Milo aiming toward 96? 

 

Of course, every time a gymnast competes (where there's no spot compared to

training) there is a higher risk of an injury.  Every competition carries

that risk.  The fact of the matter imhaco is that this just wasn't an

*important* enough of a meet for Miller's coach.  Enough said.  Like I said,

Worlds used to be a big deal...  Oh yeah and remember when there was bonus

for originality too? 

 

  

 

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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 08:25:34 -0700 (MST)

From: ***@rmii.com

Subject: Shannon speculation

 

Well, either I missed a msg, or Amanda is quoting a post that was

written privately to her.  At any rate...

 

| Really?  There wasn't a trials for Goodwill.  Wasn't it up to Nunno to pick

| the best team or something?  Surprise surprise he picked all his own girls.

 

Nunno was allowed to hand-pick the team for Goodwill?  Where did you

get that information?  All that I can find on Goodwiill Games

selection is from the Elite Ad Hoc Committee Meeting on 1/16/94.

Section VI says (in part):

 

"Recommendation to the Selection Committee that when considering

assignments for the international competitions and the Hilton, Budget,

and Goodwill Games, three age divisions can be considered.  The Senior

15 and over, the Seniors 13 & 14 (age eligible for the Olympic Games),

and the Juniors (12 to 14).  Motioned by Michelle Dusserre, and

seconded by Tony Gehman.  Passed.  Those 13 & 14 year old Seniors MUST

finish in the TOP 15 combined All-Around at the American Classic to be

considered."

 

| Was she?  I hadn't heard.  What is her injury?  Why didn't anybody mention

| this than? Why didn't Tim or Elfie mention it? Why didn't Nunno offer it as

| an explanation?  If she was injured of course, that's one thing.

 

What elite gymnast *isn't* injured to some degree? It is certainly

quite possible that she had an injury and didn't announce it to the

world. Just because Tim, Elfie, or Nunno didn't mention it does not

mean it's not there; all it means is that Miller and Nunno did not

offer up an injury as an excuse for leaving the meet.

 

| How does competing in this competition hurt her chances for Atlanta?  Aren't

| Dawes and Milo aiming toward 96? 

 

Every gymnast's situation is different.  What is particular to

Shannon's situation, I don't know, but Nunno does, and since she pays

him to coach her (and most obviously does NOT pay me), I would have to

guess that he's more qualified than I to make that decision.

 

There are more reasons to decline a meet than the risk of injury.

Training schedule, for one.

 

Rachele

 

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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 08:13:29 -0600 (CST)

From: ***@rainbow.uchicago.edu)

Subject: the NCAA vote

 

      According to my best sources, the NCAA convention starts this

Saturday afternoon with registration and other administrative tasks.

The first working session is Sunday.  The delegates will be voting on

145 measures, but they will not vote on the moratorium to save

Men's Gymnastics (and the other non-traditional sports) until late

Tuesday afternoon since this issue is one of the most important of

the entire meeting. 

 

      Chuck

 

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Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 22:36:40 -0500

From: ***@aol.com

Subject: TOPS?

 

What exactly is the TOPs program?  Who is in it, and how are the kids chosen?

 What are the benefits? 

 

Also, is there anyone out there who gets results from Minnesota gymnastics?

 If so, please let me know.

 

Debbie

 

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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 10:41:46 -0400 (EST)

From: ***@indiana.edu

Subject: TOPS?

 

> What exactly is the TOPs program?  Who is in it, and how are the kids chosen?

>  What are the benefits? 

 

My daughter has been involved with the TOPS program.  It stands for

talent opportunity program.  The coaches take their top kids age 11 and

under to a regional testing.  They take lots of measurements, height,

weight, body fat, limb length ratios, etc.  They measure everything on

the kid!  They used to test Strength, flexibility, musicality and skills

at the regional and the national testing.  But now they just test strength

and flexibility at the regional testing and if you make it to the national

testing you can show skills. 

 

My kid made it the first year and got to go to a week long training camp with

her coaches in Birmingham, Alabama.  They gave her a nifty jacket, an

olympic leotard and a certificate.

 

This year she made it past regionals and went to the national testing in

Phoenix.  She had a great time but didn't make the national cut off.

She did get a T-Shirt.

 

I believe that physical attributes are a significant part of the score.

So, if your gymnast it taller than ideal it really counts against them.

(or if she weighs mor than ideal, or the ratios are a little different)

 

The skills don't really count for that much.  Unfortunately, my daughter

has great skills,  but is a little taller than she needs to be.

 

I think that these kinds of things are really good for the kids.  It gives

them an opportunity to travel and meet other kids.  The first year, she got

to work with Betty Okino, Geza Pozar, etc.  and had a great time.

She had a great time this year eventhough she didn't make the cut off.

I made sure to explain to her that some of the factors were beyond her

control, so that if she didn't make it, she wouldn't feel bad. 

 

The regional training camps also give the kids the opportunity to travel,

work with other coaches and meet other kids.  They get to know each other

and really have a positive experience.  It creates a great sense of

community in an otherwise large world.  I don't know if the other regions

have these or not.  (we're in region 5)

 

 

>

> Also, is there anyone out there who gets results from Minnesota gymnastics?

>  If so, please let me know.

>

> Debbie

>

 

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Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 21:33:22 -0700 (MST)

From: ***@rmii.com

Subject: Tournament of Roses parade

 

Just thought it was worth a mention on Gymn that a Chinese float in

the New Year's Day Rose Bowl parade (I think it was the Rose Bowl

parade) had a "gymnastics" float!  It was pretty cool, I thought.  A

huge paper mache-looking gymnast (white pants, yellow comp top) was

swinging on high bar.  Amazing, his legs never came apart -- what

form.  He basically just did intermediate swings (piked enough on the

forward part of the swing that one might think "he" wanted to do a

kip) to "build up to a giant".  I never saw a giant before that began

and ended *under* the bar, but hey, we can cut him some slack.  When

he did finally make it around the bar, it was a bit odd because he was

hollowed, one might almost say piked, throughout, but the last giant

"he" did, he managed to open his shoulder angle and straigten out.  =)

 

The float was surrounded by about 10 young rhythmic gymnasts dressed

in black and using red/pink ribbons.

 

Rachele

 

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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 02:28:06 -0500

From: ***@aol.com

Subject: Tournament of Roses parade

 

Yeah!  Wasn't it beautiful!  What a great way to build gymnastics awareness

and an appreciation for the "art".

 

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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 17:27:16 -0700 (MST)

From: ***@rmii.com

Subject: When is the vote?

 

Does anyone on Gymn know when the vote will be for the NCAA proposal?

 

The vote is sometime this week, I'm pretty sure...

 

If so, please post to Gymn!

 

Rachele

 

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Date: Tue, 03 Jan 95 17:14 PST

From: ***@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU

Subject: Womens FX

 

I must agree that there is VERY little dance in womens FX nowadays.

 

Everyone is too busy fulfilling requirements to actually dance and perform.

 

Even Khorkina just kind of throws attitude (Yurchenko style) instead

of really dancing.

 

The only gymnasts I can think of offhand who have actually danced since the

new code went into effect are Coffe (FRA), Todorova (BUL) , Vandisheva (RUS)

and Umeh (CAN)

 

There are probably others though.  Those just stand out.

 

Seriously, watch a routine from the mid 80's, the difference is overwhelming.

 

-Brett

 

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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 95 15:50:06 EST

From: ***@BBN.COM

Subject: Worlds (so I'm slow)

 

Actually, I've been on vacation the last couple of weeks, so I'm

just now catching up on all the gymn (and other) e-mail.

 

Just a few comments:

 

I was taken aback by Scott Keswick's televised comments, partly

because it seemed bad judgment for him to do it (and it almost

seemed like the network aired the comments to stir up a

little controversy and allow them to be shot down by

the commentators).  Since I saw the network coverage

before viewing Billy's tapes of Dortmund and Brisbane

(now *there's* a fine way to spend your vacation),

I made a point of looking at the U.S. men.  My conclusion

was that they looked pretty good in their rotation

at Dortmund (with Canada, Korea, etc.), but that

when you went on to the next rotation (China, Russia, Belarus, etc.),

the difference was obvious.  I was reminded of my reaction to

the TV coverage of the women's gymnastics at the 1990 Goodwill Games. 

The American women looked pretty good, and then the Russian women

showed you how good it can be.  I remember thinking, "I really

would like to think the U.S. women are as good as the Russians,

but they just aren't yet."  That's the way I feel about

the U.S. men now.  Keep at it, guys--look at where the U.S. women

are 5 years later. 

 

My roommate (the one who only sees what he does because

he's stuck with me :-) demonstrated that you don't have to

be any kind expert to see the difference between the best and

the rest.  He was watching the tapes of Worlds with me

for women's vault and bars, and could tell who the top

girls were just by how well they swung bars ("her routine

flows so much better than the others").  (He was also

impressed with Mo's Gaylord and Fontaine's multi-release

routine, and Khorkina's vault.)

 

On a related topic, I really don't understand what the deal is

with the extreme lack of TV coverage of the men (any men). 

It wasn't that long ago that the NCAA men's championships

got an hour or so of coverage (vs 1.5 hours for the women)--

not much, but they get no coverage at all now.  They could

at least show us high bar; even casual gymnastics fans go

for that.  I would have thought that Trent Dimas' gold

medal and Vitaly Scherbo's awesome performance at the

Olympics would have increased men's coverage, but

it seems that all that happened was that the women's

coverage was increased at the expense of men's coverage.

I can understand the U.S. men being bitter over that,

but the folks to complain to/about are the networks,

not their fellow women gymnasts.

 

Personally, I much prefer Kelli Hill's "It's over, it's gone,

forget about it," to "I checked the obituaries and I didn't

see your name there," as a motivating comment.

 

I hope Kerri Strug continues on her comeback all the

way to '96. 

 

I don't think there's much point in speculating who made

what decisions about Shannon going home after compos, but

the result of the team competition and U.S. nationals

might break the spell of Nunno being *the* U.S. coach

who can produce champions.  The U.S. wouldn't have placed

higher than silver even if Shannon had stayed.  As

someone else said, if I had a daughter who was an

elite gymnast, Hill or Tracy would strike me as a

better choice of coach, and their girls seem to be

doing pretty well.

 

I also thought the editorial in I.G. about the scoring

of Shannon's bars routine was weird and ultimately

pointless:  if half the judges gave an impossibly

high score, then the problem would seem to be a

judging problem rather than an American judge problem.

 

Someone was commenting about how little dance there

often seems to be in floor ex these days.  While

watching Kochetkova's floor ex from Brisbane,

during the "break," when she does her vine/shuffle

step, I found myself thinking:  "Why does this

seem so different from the others?  Good grief,

it's because she's actually dancing!" :-)

 

Our Boston NBC and CBS stations swapped affiliations

yesterday.  The now-NBC affiliate used to consistently

preempt the weekend CBS figure skating for reruns

of Rescue 911.  I hope they don't do the same to

NBC's weekend gymnastics coverage!

 

>>Kathy

 

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