gymn
Digest
Sun, 24 Apr 94 Volume 2 :
Issue 112
Today's Topics:
(spoil) 2nd day of EF
(spoil) 2nd day of EF, quotes etc
(spoil) comments, quotes, from Event Finals (2 msgs)
(spoil) First day of Finals
(spoil) Shannon Miller
(spoil) Women's top 30
Belenky and Boginskaya
diving
NCAA Men's Individual Finals
spoil - Womens AA
First Session
Women's AA comments (10 msgs)
Worlds Comments
This is a digest of the gymn@athena.mit.edu
mailing list.
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Date:
Sun, 24 Apr 1994 09:24:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject:
(spoil) 2nd day of EF
I'll have more complete results later, but until
then:
Second day of EF
medals, via UPI:
Men
Vault
1. Scherbo
9.674
2. Li Xiaoshung
3. Yeo Hong-Chul
Parallel bars
1. Huang Liping 9.775
2. Rustam Sharipov
3. Alexei Nemov
High
bar
1. Scherbo 9.687
2. Zoltan
Supola
3. Ivan Ivankov
Women
Balance
Beam
1. Shannon Miller 9.875
2. Lilia Podkopayeva
3.
Oksana Fabrichnova
5. Milosovici,
9.675
Floor Exercise:
1. Dina Kochetkova
9.850
2. Milosovici
3. Gina Gogean
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Date:
Sun, 24 Apr 1994 09:25:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject:
(spoil) 2nd day of EF, quotes etc
>From
Reuter:
Ivankov: "Whatever the result
on Thursday, Vitaly is still the best. I
have no doubts about that. Overall, I am very happy with my
performance over the entire championships."
Ivankov
also noted that a sore knee bothered him during the event finals.
Scherbo: "I was very upset about losing to Ivan. I was
smiling but
everything was not okay. Aftwerwards I told myself I had to win a
couple of gold medals today."
Scherbo: "I forget the last time I have fallen twice
on the same day."
Miller: "I tried new skills in every event
and I made them all except
in the
vault."
>From UPI:
Scherbo:
"I was upset after the all around competititon
-- because I
am a professional. I made two
mistakes and this should not happen.
After this I knew I had to go out and
win some of the other individual
events. I did not
expect to win three gold medals but I did expect to
win
two."
Miller: "I was pleased with my performances overall. I
tried new
skills and, except for the floor
exercises they all worked for me".
[hmmm...
so which is it, vault or floor?]
Liddick, re
Miller stepping out on floor: she got "a little
over-excited."
>From
UPI:
The final medals table of the 1994 Worlds. I added in the Totals
column...
Gold
Silver
Bronze
Total
Belarus
4
0
1
5
Romania
2
2
3
7
U.S.
2
1
0
3
China
2
1
0
3
Russia
1
3
5
9
Italy
1
0
0 1
Ukraine
0
2
1
3
France
0
1
0
1
Britain
0
1
0
1
Greece
0
1
0
1
Hungary
0
1
0
1
Switzerland
0
0
1
1
Korea
0
0
1
1
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Date:
Sat, 23 Apr 1994 10:30:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject:
(spoil) comments, quotes, from Event Finals
>From Reuter:
Miller,
re missing her half-on half-off front layout in vault finals,
her second vault: "It was the first time I have tried
that vault in
competition and I only wish I could
have done a better job.
>From AP:
Miller, re the same: "I wished
I would have done a better second
vault, but it
was the first time I'd tried it in competition." [Give
her a 10.0 for consistency.]
Nunno:
"If she'd hit the vault she would have won."
Mark Sohn finished 6th in PH due to a mistake he made on the
mount.
Melissanidis, who tied Neil Thomas
for 2nd on floor, is the European
junior champion
in the FX. He's 17 years old.
"Luo Li"'s 9.912 is the
highest score of the champs so far. I'm a
little
puzzled as to if this girl is the Lu Li of the perfect ten at
the Olympics, because none of the news wires are mentioning
that fact.
In fact, the only historical background I've seen, in this AP
story,
is that "Luo
Li" is competing in her first worlds and had won gold
medals at the East Asian Games and the Chinese National
Championships.
It seems like they would also mention here that she scored a
10.0 in
the Olympics, but no mention of this fact
is made... anywhere! Could
it be a different
gymnast? AP says: "She was
undaunted by the bigger
stage, turning in a
performance that combined artistry and athleticism
and
had the crowd on its feet at the Brisbane Entertainment Center."
Miller
"led after her first vault with 9.825, but tumbled on the
dismount from her second vault, landed on her bottom and
finished
seventh with a score of 9.543."
O'Neill
is the first American man in 15 years to win a world
championship
medal.
>From UPI:
Reports that "Li Li" won women's UB. Craziness!
Marius Urzica, who won the pommels, is 18 and is the European
junior
champion on parallel bars.
Li Donghua, who tied for bronze on pommels, was the Chinese
National
Champion in 1987.
Apparently the
crowd really like Melissandis.
"His routine was crisp
and his landings
coming out of his tumbling combinations, rock
steady..."
Luo/Lu/Li (take your pick) Li's performance was apparently
an extra
worthy accomplishment because
"Chinese officials said she has been
plagued
by back injuries."
Chechi, re winning
rings: "It was wonderful to win a second time
because
it is more difficult. The competition was extremely tough."
--Rachele
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Date:
Sat, 23 Apr 94 18:01:41 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: (spoil)
comments, quotes, from Event Finals
>"Luo
Li"'s 9.912 is the highest score of the champs
so far. I'm a
little puzzled as to if this girl is
the Lu Li of the perfect ten at
the Olympics,
because none of the news wires are mentioning that fact.
In fact, the only
historical background I've seen, in this AP story,
is
that "Luo Li" is competing in her first
worlds
But Lu Li competed at 92 Paris Worlds...Guess we'll find out tommorrow.
Mara
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Date:
Sat, 23 Apr 1994 09:31:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject:
(spoil) First day of Finals
>From Reuters:
Men:
Floor
1. Vitaly Scherbo (Belarus)
9.725 points
2.
Neil Thomas (Britain)
9.687
=2. Ioannis Melissanidis (Greece) 9.687
4. Grigory Misutin (Ukraine)
9.650
5. Igor Korobchinski (Ukraine)
9.612
=5. Li Dashuang (China)
9.612
7. Ivan Ivanov (Bulgaria)
9.337
8.
Masanori Suzuki (Japan)
8.700
Pommel horse
1. Marius Urzica
(Romania)
9.712
2. Eric Poujade (France)
9.700
3. Li Donghua (Switzerland)
9.662
=3. Vitaly Marinich (Ukraine)
9.662
5. Huang Huadong (China)
9.650
6. Mark Sohn (U.S.)
9.625
7. Valeri Belenki (Germany)
9.600
8. Igor Korobchinski (Ukraine)
8.912
Rings
1. Yuri Chechi
(Italy)
9.787
2. Paul
O'Neill (U.S.)
9.725
3. Dan Burinca (Romania)
9.700
=3. Valeri Belenki (Germany)
9.700
5. Andreas
Wecker (Germany) 9.637
6. Rustam Charipov (Ukraine)
9.600
7. Szilveszter Csollany (Hungary)
9.587
8. Jordan Jovtchev (Bulgaria)
9.400
Women:
Vault
1. Gina Gogean
(Romania)
9.812
2.
Svetlana Chorkina (Russia) 9.800
3. Lavinia Milosovici (Romania)
9.787
4. Tatiana
Lyssenko (Ukraine)
9.737
5. Yelena Piskun (Belarus)
9.725
6. Dina Kochetkova (Russia)
9.699
7. Shannon
Miller (U.S.)
9.543
8. Lilia Podkopayeva (Ukraine)
9.424
Bars
1. Li Luo
(China)
9.912
2.
Svetlana Chorkina (Russia)
9.875
3. Dina Kochetkova (Russia)
9.850
4.
Dominique Dawes (U.S.)
9.775
5. Lilia Podkopayeva (Ukraine)
9.350
6. Lavinia Milosovici (Romania)
9.250
7. Nadia Hategan (Romania)
9.137
8. Amanda
Borden (U.S.)
9.050
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Date: Sat,
23 Apr 94 09:34:18 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: (spoil) Shannon
Miller
>Just had to mention that (aren't I always the one?) before everyone
lofts
>Shannon into a postion with Tourischeva that there is a widly
enormous diff.
>in winning back to back titles
4 years apart and 12 months, nearly to the
>day,
apart.
I was thinking about the same thing and it seems to me that
four years in the
career of a gymnast in the late
'60's-early '70's probably just about
corresponds
to one or two years in the career of a gymnast today. Compare,
for
example, the number of Olympics.
Certainly going to three Olympics would
be
a much different, *much* more difficult thing to accomplish now than when
Turischeva did it.
-- Gimnasta
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Date:
Sat, 23 Apr 94 02:25:58 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: (spoil) Women's
top 30
Since I love the Yurkinas to death
(what could be better than twin
Yurkinas?!) I did ask Nancy about them and she only mentioned Olga
so I
assume that Yulia
was - again - injured...which happens when you're
5'2"
and 38 pounds trying to tumble! To bad
the Yurkina's are unaware of what
great RSG gymantics they are. They are the quintessential "Ode
To
Beauty"..baby
Bogies (watch their hand positions on FX...awesome!)
Susan
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Date:
Sat, 23 Apr 94 02:25:53 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Belenky and Boginskaya
>In
the same article, it says that Boginskaya will soon
be moving to the US
to be the promoter of an
unnamed gym until the '96 Olympics.
After that, she
says, "perhaps I'll
open a school named after me in Boston."
Boguinskyaia
is already in he United States at a gym in Virigina.
She's
planning on heading to Woodward (like all
the Sovs) for this summer's camp
sessions.
How soon they forget. "IG" was
getting calls asking "So do you have any
pictures of Svetlana and what did she win?" and this
was from people who
hired her to do clinics at
their gyms!! The same is true for Artemov who
has
been coaching in the US since 1990. Calls come
in asking if "you have
anything on
him" When they say "Yeah
posters, IG Photos.etc." They're like
"really he's just my coach"...yeah and the Olympic
Champion.
Funny this was
entitled "Belenki and Boguinksyia"
considering that Valeri has
a
very deep crush on Svetlana and even (as of last Worlds) carries a picture
of them together in his wallet. Awww,
isn't that cute?
Susan
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Date:
Sat, 23 Apr 94 1:40:49 PDT
From: <***@cisco.com>
Subject: diving
Apparently, a number of the things that gymnastics can
really tear up
(especially knees and ankles),
diving is kind to. The women's
coach at
UPenn while I was there had hurt herself
in gymnastics badly enough that
"she'll never
do gymnastics again", and took so took up diving, before
becoming a coach...
Chops
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Date:
Sun, 24 Apr 94 00:20 EDT
From: <***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject: NCAA
Men's Individual Finals
52nd
Annual National Collegiate Men's Gymnastics Championships
University of
Nebraska
Lincoln, Nebraska
April 22-23, 1994
INDIVIDUAL FINALS
STANDINGS
Floor
PRELIM. F I N A L
S
TOTAL (NO CARRY OVER)
Mark Booth 9.650 7 930 930 930 940 9.300 1 9.300 1 Stanford
Blaine Wilson 9.650 7 910 940 930 910 9.200 2 9.200 2 Ohio State
Dennis Harrison 9.700
5 920 920
910 920 9.200 2 9.200 2 Nebraska
Jay Thornton 9.725 4 920 920 930 900
9.200 2 9.200 2 Iowa
Greg Umphrey 9.750 3 920 920 920 930 9.200 2 9.200 2 UCLA
Ian Bachrach 9.700 5 910 910 920 900
9.100 6 9.100 6 Stanford
Spencer Slaton 9.650 7 870 910 900 900 9.000 7 9.000 7 UCLA
Josh Stein 9.775 2 870 870 820 860
8.650 8 8.650 8 Stanford
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STANDINGS
Pommel Horse
PRELIM. F I N A L
S
TOTAL (NO CARRY OVER)
Jason Bertram 9.800 3 955 950 960 955 9.550 1 9.550 1 California
Josh Stein 9.750 5 950 950 950 940 9.500 2 9.500 2 Stanford
Mark Booth 9.750 5 920 940 955
950 9.450 3 9.450 3 Stanford
Che
Bowers
9.875 1
940 930 940 940 9.400 4 9.400 4 Nebraska
Drew Durbin 9.825 2 900 890 920
890 8.950 5 8.950 5 Ohio State
Dennis Harrison 9.775
4 870 850 900 910 8.850 6 8.850 6 Nebraska
Brian Yee
9.750 5
890 860 880 860
8.700 7 8.700 7 Minnesota
Ritchie Ellis 9.750 5 770 770
790 760 7.700 8 7.700 8 BYU
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STANDINGS
Still Rings
PRELIM. F I N A L
S
TOTAL (NO CARRY OVER)
Chris LaMorte 9.850 2 990 990
995 990 9.900 1 9.900 1 New Mexico
Garry Denk 9.825 3 965 960 955
950 9.575 2 9.575 2 Iowa
Rick Uptegraff 9.800 4 940 960 950 950 9.500 3 9.500 3 Iowa
David Alexander 9.800 4 940 950 960 910 9.450 4 9.450 4 Ohio State
Richard Kieffer 9.650 8 930 930 930 940
9.300 5 9.300 5 Nebraska
Imad
Haque 9.700 6 930 930 920 930
9.300 5 9.300 5 Army
Dennis Harrison 9.650 8 900 930 910 920 9.150 7 9.150 7 Nebraska
Dave Frank 9.875 1 910 950 920
910 9.150 7 9.150 7 Temple
Craig Holt 9.650 8 910 910 890 890 9.000 9 9.000 9 Syracuse
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STANDINGS
Vault
PRELIM. F I N A L
S
TOTAL (NO CARRY OVER)
Steve McCain 9.450 6 960 965 970 970
9.675 1 9.675 1 UCLA
Dennis Harrison 9.500 3 940 970 965 955 9.600 2 9.600 2 Nebraska
Doug Macey 9.650 1 965 960 960 950
9.600 2 9.600 2 UCLA
Daniel Stover 9.550 2 950 955 955
955
9.550 4 9.550 4 Oklahoma
Josh Stein 9.400 8 955 950 955
950 9.525 5 9.525 5 Stanford
Keith Wiley 9.400 8 940 950 950 940
9.450 6 9.450 6 Stanford
Larry Johns 9.450 6 940 940 940 930 9.400 7 9.400 7 Oklahoma
Tom Meadows 9.400 8 930 940 940 930
9.350 8 9.350 8 Oklahoma
Kip Simons 9.400 8 920 930 930 920
9.250 9 9.250 9 Ohio State
Garry Denk 9.500 3 900 910 910 910 9.100 10 9.100 10 Iowa
Mark Booth 9.500 3 890 890 900 890
8.900 11 8.900 11
Stanford
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STANDINGS
Parallel Bar
PRELIM. F I N A L
S
TOTAL (NO CARRY OVER)
Richard Grace 9.850 1 955 960 965 955 9.575 1 9.575 1 Nebraska
Burkett Powell 9.700 7 940 930 940 940 9.400 2 9.400 2 Nebraska
Steve McCain 9.750 3 930 930 950 950 9.400 2 9.400 2 UCLA
Kip Simons 9.750 3 940 910 930
940 9.350 4 9.350 4 Ohio State
Dennis Harrison 9.775
2 940 930 930
950 9.350 4 9.350 4 Nebraska
Barry McDonald 9.750 3 920 930 930
920 9.250 6 9.250 6 Illinois-Chicago
Mark Booth 9.725 6 870 900 870
890 8.800 7 8.800 7 Stanford
David Alexander 9.675 8 870 870 890
880 8.750 8 8.750 8 Ohio State
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STANDINGS
High Bar
PRELIM. F I N A L
S
TOTAL (NO CARRY OVER)
Jim Foody
9.800 2
940 950 940 950
9.450 1 9.450 1 UCLA
Dennis Harrison 9.800 2 930 920 930 920 9.250 2 9.250 2 Nebraska
Garry Denk 9.825 1 920 920 920 930 9.200 3 9.200 3 Iowa
Jeremy Killen 9.700 7 920 920
900 910 9.150 4 9.150 4 Oklahoma
Jay Thornton 9.750 5 890 890 910 910 9.000 5 9.000 5 Iowa
Richard Grace 9.700 7 880 900 890 900 8.950 6 8.950 6 Nebraska
Kip Simons 9.700 7 870 880 880 890
8.800 7 8.800 7 Ohio State
Sumner Darling 9.725 6 840 850 870 900 8.600 8 8.600 8 Nebraska
Steve McCain 9.800 2 820 810 820 820
8.200 9 8.200 9 UCLA
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Date:
Sat, 23 Apr 94 02:26:04 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: spoil - Womens AA First Session
>Could this be Tatiana Groshkova. The fall on beam sounds like it,
but
Groshy being there sounds like too much to
ask.
This is NOT Tatiana Groshkova who is
currently a member of the Moscow Circus
but
Svetlana "Grosheva" of Russia a very young, very artistic Russian .
Groshkova was also from UKR (I think)
Susan
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Date:
Sat, 23 Apr 94 18:32:50 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Women's AA
comments
I don't suppose this is a spoil anymore, since it's been
televised.
Ok, on a single viewing and not judging it very closely
[all opinions subject
to change without notice
=)]: the result seemed fair to me, though maybe it
could
have gone either way. I thought
Shannon was considerably better on
bars and beam, Milosovici better on floor (I was *appalled* at
Shannon's
tumbling. Is she planning on keeping those cheap
passes through the
Olympics?), and about the same on vault (I can't
remember Milosovici's that
well,
so I may recant later. Don't pound
me if I'm wrong).
-- Gimnasta
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Date:
Sat, 23 Apr 94 21:42:30 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Women's AA
comments
It continually amazes me that ABC manages to find time for
things such as Kim
Z's 91 floor and Olga's 72 bars, yet can't show more
than one routine of
Kotchetkova, who *only* won a
bronze here...
This is not new...every time they show gym, they seem to show an "ABC's
Greatest Hits," rather
than the competition at hand. I'm
just thankful they
didn't show Mary Lou's
vault!
Mara
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Date:
Sat, 23 Apr 1994 23:02:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: <***@db.erau.edu>
Subject:
Women's AA comments
Mara spoke of ABC reshowing of Kim's floor and
Olga's bars, but they do
this to set the stage for
the current events that they are about to show.
They also have to infore the general public (non gym fans) of why
they
are showing the things they are going to show. Also, they are showing
the clips for those of us who wern't
around when some of these things
happened the
first time.
Jaye
On Sat, 23 Apr 1994 ***@aol.com wrote:
>
It continually amazes me that ABC manages to find time for things such as
Kim
> Z's 91 floor and Olga's 72 bars, yet can't show more than one
routine of
> Kotchetkova, who *only* won a
bronze here...
>
> This is not new...every time they show gym, they seem to show an "ABC's
> Greatest
Hits,"
rather than the competition at hand. I'm just thankful they
> didn't show Mary Lou's vault!
>
> Mara
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Date:
Sat, 23 Apr 1994 23:13:42 -0400
From: ***@cykick.jvnc.net
Subject:
Women's AA comments
Gimnasta writes (in
part):
>(I was *appalled* at Shannon's
>tumbling. Is she planning on keeping those cheap
passes through the
>Olympics?)
It appears from hearing the
commentary that this could be attributed to
both
the new Code of Points and Shannon's injuries/growth spurt. Kathy
Johnson did indicate that
gymnastics fans would consider the routine
"watered
down." It was also mentioned
that the new Code has been written
in such a way
that a gymnast could still be rewarded even without the
"super stuff" we've been used to seeing. I'll leave it to those more
familiar with the Code to comment further (I probably have
the discussion
buried way back in the queue).
Helena
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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 94 02:09:00
EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Women's AA comments
Sometimes,
me being odd and all, I except to see actual comeptitors
when I
tune into televised gym meets. I don't want
to know about the weather in
Aussie, the dimensions of a wallabys pouch or what happened the last time the
competor talked to his/her Mommie. Does ABC really think that Australian
Rules
Football and Gymnastics has the same core audience? There were exactly
54
minutes of sub par coverage showing a total of 7 out of 67 gymnasts. The
only ones we saw all four sets of being Dawes (9.25 for a
total fall & roll
on Vault c'mon...how much
are we paying these judges?... they should at least
make
it look a little real) , Miller (9.75 after major probs
when Milos only
got 9.825 for a hit set with twice
the tumbling & dance) & Milos (was her
beam
generous to make up for FX?). The bronze medalist rated only a single
showing. In this
limited time they found plenty of room to show Dawes' vault
from '93 three times, Olga's '72 Bars twice, and Zmescow's FX from '91.
I
don't mind flashbacks as long as they
have time to show the actual
competition as well.
Sidebars are fine but I'd rather intro the radical
concept
of seeing the meet they're showing today. Maybe during next year's
women's AA they'll show more highlights of this year's than
we saw today.
Ah, something to
look forward to...
Disgusted In Vista...
Susan &
Brett
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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 94
10:43:43 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Women's AA comments
Helena
writes:
>It appears from hearing the commentary that this could be
attributed to
>both the new Code of Points and
Shannon's injuries/growth spurt.
[. . .]
>It was also mentioned that the new
Code has been written
in such a way that a gymnast
could still be rewarded even without >the
"super
stuff" we've been used to seeing.
Oh, I know *why* she's doing
it, but I'll bet anything that come '96, the
gymnasts
doing the "real" D's and E's will find their scores will reflect
that. Nunno should know that (I can't imagine he doesn't; maybe
he's just
saving her strength for the next year or
so and then she'll put some real
difficulty in, or
maybe I'm just an optimist). In any
case, even in '94 it's
a cop-out and looks
lousy. People were doing harder
sets 10 years ago. BTW,
you guys might be interested to know that a front ff into or out of a layout
front
full (such as Shannon did in her last pass) gets a 0.2 bonus (do I hear
jaws dropping?).
Susan writes:
>(9.25 for a
total fall & roll
on Vault c'mon...how much
are we paying these judges?
Well, I don't know what goes under the
table, but officially, judges don't
get a cent for
judging FIG meets.
As far as the fall & roll, it's still just
0.5. They might have found
more
than 0.25 for other errors, but not much
more; it really wasn't that badly
executed, just
overdone.
>Miller (9.75 after major probs
when Milos only
got 9.825 for a hit set with twice
the tumbling & dance)
Milsovici was
better, but her set wasn't exactly "hit" either. No major
things,
but more little ones than Miller.
The thing is, the routines
shouldn't have
the same start value. She had
trouble on her landings, her
whipback
was weird, stuff like that. As far
as dance, I have to watch the
routines again
(unfortunately, I can't tape here, so my grandmother taped it
and I won't see it until I go home in a month, unless my
sister's VCR finally
worked, in which case I'll
see it next week), but I didn't think Milosovici's
was so much better.
I've always thought Miller's routine was extremely well
put together and that she does it well (though not as well
now as in the
past, or maybe I'm just getting sick
of it), it's just not
all-dressed-in-black artsy fartsy.
I fully agree with Susan and Mara's
comments on the stingy coverage padded
with all
that other stuff. I don't see any need
to show Olga's bars in order
to introduce/explain
Mo Huilan's (who, incidentally, is out of her mind to
do
a Gaylord, and in the direction of the low bar,
too!), or to show Kim's floor
to say that Shannon
was the second to win and the first to defend. Sure, I
love
watching old routines, but they should do a separate program for them.
Further
commentary:
Gina Gogean's middle pass is
ridiculous, and did anyone notice her routine
(at
least the first half) is a Silivas ripoff? Down to
the steps on her
heels in the corner. At least it's an improvement over her
last routine.
Milosovici's starting pose is
all Silivas, too.
At the risk of sounding
rude or crass, I was glad to notice some bra sizes
changing
among the 17-year-olds.
Can somebody list the content of Milosovici's beam for me? I'm trying to
figure
out the purpose of the second ff-1/4.
Well, that's all that comes to
mind at the moment. Be forgiving --
remember
I'm working entirely from memory, no tapes.
:)
Gimnasta
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Date:
Sun, 24 Apr 1994 10:20:01 -0500 (EST)
From: <***@ecn.purdue.edu>
Subject:
Women's AA comments
Forwarded message:
gimnasta writes:
> {comments
on Shannon's floor routine}
>
> Gina Gogean's
middle pass is ridiculous, and did anyone notice her routine
> (at least the first half) is a Silivas
ripoff?
Down to the steps on her
> heels in the
corner. At least it's an
improvement over her last routine.
I thought it looked familiar. I thought that both she and Milosovici
looked like that
had no desire to be there. There
was absolutely no
expression in their
routines.
I was surprised by Shannon's tumbling
as she has worked to upgrade her
difficulty in all
her other routines. (BTW, what was
the "new" element
in her beam set? She said she did something new on
everything.) Hopefully
the only reason she has not changed her floor music is due
to injury and
lack of time to learn a new
one. I love her music and
choreography
but 3 years is a little much.
Milosovici's floor had good tumbling but she was short on
the double
layout and triple twist. Her dance was better than many, but as I
said
before, she looked bored. I do agree that her beam was way overscored.
(esp. compared to
Dawes and Miller)
> Can somebody list the content of Milosovici's beam for me? I'm trying to
> figure out the purpose of the second ff-1/4.
dismount - round-off double back, major pass included
flip-flop, layout,
flip-flop, layout; also the two
ff-1/4
I am looking forward to event finals today. It will be good to see
Shannon's
new vault - she really did need to learn a better second vault.
Lori
BTW
- Does the Yurchenko half off - layout front vault
seem like a
much easier way to earn a 10.0 start
value than a double twist?
It seems everyone is using it.
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Date:
Sun, 24 Apr 1994 10:31:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject:
Women's AA comments
Gimnasta said:
|
Well, I don't know what goes under the table, but officially, judges don't
|
get a cent for judging FIG meets.
Wow, I
never knew that. I guess Gimnasta knows, though (aren't we
Gymners lucky to have an FIG Brevet
at our disposal?). The
USGF
provides a compensation scale for their
national judges, I know. How
in the world can a judge afford to take a week off and judge
a Worlds
if she doesn't get any compensation for
it?
| Milsovici was better, but her set
wasn't exactly "hit" either.
No major
I thought, actually, that a surprising number of the
sets weren't hit.
There was certainly more excitement to these Worlds
versus last years,
and much higher quality it
seemed, but I was surprised at the number
of
fudged landings.
| love watching old
routines, but they should do a separate program for them.
Just to show
the other side of the coin... I watched the Champs in our
dorm's TV lobby with about 10 friends, none of whom know the
first
thing when it comes to gymnastics. ("Who was that in 92? Kim...
Zimmerson?"
<slap forehead>) All of these people enjoyed the
flashbacks
a lot, probably more so than much of the regular
competition
they showed. They didn't show
*that* much of Zmeskal's
old
routine, and the Dawes clips were applicable, and my friends were
most excited by watching Olga's routine... I think it built
up their
expectations for
Huilan Mo's routine, and they were just blown away
by
her; I don't know that they would have realized
how difficult it was
without being in that mindset
from watching Olga's. I mean, they
can
differentiate a clean routine from a bobbly
one, but they don't really
understand level of
difficulty. I'll bet that's the
first time that
many Gymners
have seen Olga's full routine (only the second time I
have,
the first time being on the ABC tape).
So anyways, while of course *I*
was screaming inside at the TV wanting
to show
more gymnasts (Kochetkova, particularly; I *really*
liked her
bars!), my friends were thoroughly
enjoying the ABC coverage and did
not appear to
have any complaints whatsoever.
Further notes on my friends: they
found the dance on the floor and
beam to be
hysterical. I certainly was doubled
over in laughter
watching them imitate Mo on
FX. They thought Milos. was the most
boring FX dancer,
and that Miller was better but not much.
And their
imitations of hand gestures on
beam were just too much. One of
them
even said, "I don't know why they even
bother. It's not as if we'd
pay to watch you dance instead of tumble." Someone replied "The dance
is supposed to be *artistic*." And the first woman responded,
"Yeah,
but it's obviously not, so why
bother?" (The first woman is a
very
accomplished dancer, btw, both modern and
ballet.)
| At the risk of sounding rude or crass, I was glad to notice
some bra sizes
| changing among the
17-year-olds.
Yes, and at the risk of sounding more crass, I really
think Miller
looks ten times better now than she
ever used to. She's got hips
now!
But I thought she looked *good*, having filled out a bit. I used to
get
nervous watching her simpl6y because she was so very skinny.
And so
how many people here thought Mo was going to hit her head on
her Kovacs? Sheeesh. I
don't think that she could do it going away
from
the low bar, though... one wouldn't be able to tap correctly with
the low bar in the way, so the tap seems to preclude that
she'd have
to swing it towards the low bar. (She wasn't so short that her body
could swing w/o pike between the bars, was she? I don't remember.)
Rachele
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Date:
Sun, 24 Apr 94 12:19:18 EDT
From: <***@MIT.EDU>
Subject: Women's
AA comments
>The only ones we saw all four sets of being Dawes
...
Actually, didn't they skip Dawes' bar set?
I was pretty
disappointed too, though not terribly surprised.
Also I spent all week
trying to avoid the spoilers only to hear
the ABC
advertisements say stuff like "Tune in next to watch Shannon
Miller
become the first woman ever to win her second World Championships"
ARGH! Did they have to tell us that before it
even started?!?
--Robyn
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Date:
Sun, 24 Apr 94 12:22:09 EDT
From: <****@MIT.EDU>
Subject: Women's
AA comments
Rachele asked:
>(She
[Mo] wasn't so short that her body
>could swing
w/o pike between the bars, was she?
I don't remember.)
No, but she was pretty close.
btw,
she had that very messy transition from low to high (the one they
said she missed in warmups) which
she didn't seem to have been penalized
for -- I
guess they were so wowed by the Kovacs (is that the right name?)
--Robyn
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Date:
Sun, 24 Apr 94 14:39:00 UTC
From: ***@genie.geis.com
Subject: Worlds
Comments
Give me pay-per-view!
I guess we should be happy that ABC televised the
Worlds promptly,
but showing a total of 17 routines from 7 gymnasts ?!?
Will
today's coverage of the women's EF and men's AA be as sketchy? I'm
betting
yes.
I guess the gold
could have gone either way, since both Miller and
Milosovici
made small errors. Then again, it's
difficult to discuss the AA
when Kochetkova rated only 1 televised routine. I agree with Gimnasta
that
Miller's FX tumbles were really weak; Milo was better by far here (and
on V,
too). Miller had the edge on B and UB.
ABC sucks...
Debbie
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